Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[zalacain]

I thought he was taking the **** when one of the few people he mentioned by name was Tim Kerrison.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Are we not rather overlooking the fact that, doped or not, 2009, 2010 Armstrong was 38, 39 years of age?

It might be enough for an aged J Longo in a thinner women's peleton, but even LA '99 style doping cannot mask the traces of the years as the athlete approaches 40, never mind what reduced level of doping was necessary not to tip off the BP during the comeback career...

Think you are forgetting in Dear Wiggo's world once you hityopur early twenties your performance is set in stone for all eternity, and dips or improvements in form can only ever be down to PED use. 38 or not he should have been smashing them all over the place

 

[JimmyFingers]

I thought he was taking the **** when one of the few people he mentioned by name was Tim Kerrison.

Who exactly? Oh and also why?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I truly believe Ryder could have won the Giro and top-5d the Tour this year (2012), and Wiggins is taking the hint from him.

I don't trust either performance, but it's telling that these guys who were nowhere previously are now double-GT in a row aspirants. So weird that Brad blames riding the Giro in 2010 as the reason for his poor TdF performance that year. Man I can never keep up with the reasons.

Glad cycling is cleaned up and the cream can rise to the top, soundly beating all the dirty teams (revealed via the poll elsewhere) in the process.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I thought he was taking the **** when one of the few people he mentioned by name was Tim Kerrison.

Why is that? Kerrison crunched the numbers and dropped Brad's TT cadence 7rpm whilst increasing his TT power and speed enough to thump Martin. All by getting Brad to do 40 minute threshold climbing efforts at 50rpm. Even acoggan had nothing negative to say about this REVOLUTIONARY, NEW, MARGINAL GAIN training regime, happily posting a screenshot of Brad's biography detailing it.

What's not to love?

 

[JimmyFingers]

I truly believe Ryder could have won the Giro and top-5d the Tour this year (2012), and Wiggins is taking the hint from him.

I don't trust either performance, but it's telling that these guys who were nowhere previously are now double-GT in a row aspirants. So weird that Brad blames riding the Giro in 2010 as the reason for his poor TdF performance that year. Man I can never keep up with the reasons.

Glad cycling is cleaned up and the cream can rise to the top, soundly beating all the dirty teams (revealed via the poll elsewhere) in the process.

I thought it's generally accepted that riding the Giro scuppers your chance in the Tour, seems a very reasonable assertion to me, although I know it doesn't fit in your paradigm.

And an internet poll hardly 'reveals' dirty cycling teams, does it now.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Why is that? Kerrison crunched the numbers and dropped Brad's TT cadence 7rpm whilst increasing his TT power and speed enough to thump Martin. All by getting Brad to do 40 minute threshold climbing efforts at 50rpm. Even acoggan had nothing negative to say about this training regime, happily posting a screenshot of Brad's biography detailing it.

What's not to love?

Bang on the money

 

[sniper]

...
Glad cycling is cleaned up and the cream can rise to the top, soundly beating all the dirty teams (revealed via the poll elsewhere) in the process.

This.

JV, Millar et al. really want us to believe that either the whole peloton is clean or that the clean teams/riders somehow (i.e. through better marginal gains management) manage to come out on top beating the dopers.

 

[MartinGT]

More DBaggery:

So Bradley, why wouldnt you allow Kimmage with you if you wnat to be so transparent?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

This.

JV, Millar et al. really want us to believe that either the whole peloton is clean or that the clean teams/riders somehow (i.e. through better marginal gains management) manage to come out on top beating the dopers.

Yes. If a skinsuit can save you 75% of an EPO regime, imagine what warming down and washing your hands could do.

 

[ebandit]

saving

Yes. If a skinsuit can save you 75% of an EPO regime, imagine what warming down and washing your hands could do.

imagine? the saving in not talking bs

 

[Spencer the Half Wit]

I truly believe Ryder could have won the Giro and top-5d the Tour this year (2012), and Wiggins is taking the hint from him.

I don't trust either performance, but it's telling that these guys who were nowhere previously are now double-GT in a row aspirants. So weird that Brad blames riding the Giro in 2010 as the reason for his poor TdF performance that year. Man I can never keep up with the reasons.

Glad cycling is cleaned up and the cream can rise to the top, soundly beating all the dirty teams (revealed via the poll elsewhere) in the process.

I think you'll find that he is blaming being on the lash and not bothering with training as the reason for his poor tdf in 2010.

 

[oldcrank]

Think you are forgetting in Dear Wiggo's world once you hit your early twenties your performance is set in stone for all eternity, and dips or improvements in form can only ever be down to PED use.

The poster known as 'Dear Wiggo' has proclaimed that he/she races
and coaches clean, and if neither he/she or any of his/her athletes
have improved that proves his/her theory, does it not?

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

I truly believe Ryder could have won the Giro and top-5d the Tour this year (2012)

Based on what, one wonders?

Other than Berto, anyone in recent years who has done well in the Giro has trod water at best in the Tour.

 

[thehog]

I thought it's generally accepted that riding the Giro scuppers your chance in the Tour, seems a very reasonable assertion to me, although I know it doesn't fit in your paradigm.

Pantani and Indurain seemed to manage it ok. Shouldn’t think it would be a problem for Sky. Giro/Tour double for Wiggins would be an awesome feat.

 

[The Hitch]

I thought it's generally accepted that riding the Giro scuppers your chance in the Tour, seems a very reasonable assertion to me, although I know it doesn't fit in your paradigm.

.

It was only really Giro 2010 and 2011 with their insane courses that created the idea that Giro destroyed a Tour attempt. Before that Menchov saw no problem with doing both in 08 and 09, Sastre also in 09, Basso in 05 and 06 (finishing 2nd in Tour in 2005). Menchov also performed better in Tour when in 08 he finished 5th in Giro and 4th (later 3rd) in the Tour.

Lance and Ullrich didnt care for the giro in those years, but before that Pantani always went for both and Indurain did on 3 of his 5 TDF wins.

 

[armchairclimber]

I doubted whether Wiggins would get himself back in shape...mentally first, then physically, to tackle just the Giro, let alone the double. I also doubted the ability to get a team with sufficient focus to deliver either the Giro or the tour this year...especially given the obvious conflict between camp Wiggo and camp Froome.
I don't think for one second that Froome could have beaten Wiggins last year. Dancing about for short showy bursts doesn't convince me at all. He was though, when he was pulling, just about the best super-dom Wiggo could have asked for.

If Brailsford can figure a plan to get teams together with the appropriate focus for the two GTs....and if Wiggo is prepared to go through the same privation that he did last year, then Wiggins has as good a chance as anyone of pulling it off. I'm still not sure he is.

Glad to see Brailsford still unequivocally stating, publicly, that Wiggins won the tour clean. He deserved his Coach of the Year award...the financial bounty to BC today emphasised that.

 

[The Hitch]

Glad to see Brailsford still unequivocally stating, publicly, that Wiggins won the tour clean. He deserved his Coach of the Year award...the financial bounty to BC today emphasised that.

Yeah, good to see hes still claiming it. But you fear a freudian slip might come one day dont you?

 

[bobbins]

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Glad to see Brailsford still unequivocally stating, publicly, that Wiggins won the tour clean. He deserved his Coach of the Year award...the financial bounty to BC today emphasised that.

More UK sport funds to pay for the sky pro cycling team.

If anyone wants to undo this team, its a cliché but follow the money.

 

[martinvickers]

More UK sport funds to pay for the sky pro cycling team.

If anyone wants to undo this team, its a cliché but follow the money.

Honestly, bobbins, you try too hard.

BSkyB have funded Team Sky with outrageous money - they must be damn close to the richest team in cycling history - there is zero need for those guys to skim money from grassroots participation funding (todays' announcement) never mind the elite level funding (tomorrow's announcement).

Still, keep plugging away, bob....

 

[JimmyFingers]

Yeah, good to see hes still claiming it. But you fear a freudian slip might come one day dont you?

Like David Weir?

 

[JimmyFingers]

It was only really Giro 2010 and 2011 with their insane courses that created the idea that Giro destroyed a Tour attempt. Before that Menchov saw no problem with doing both in 08 and 09, Sastre also in 09, Basso in 05 and 06 (finishing 2nd in Tour in 2005). Menchov also performed better in Tour when in 08 he finished 5th in Giro and 4th (later 3rd) in the Tour.

Lance and Ullrich didnt care for the giro in those years, but before that Pantani always went for both and Indurain did on 3 of his 5 TDF wins.

So a pretty decent reason why Wiggo was poor in the Tour in 2010, that and he was on the sauce

 

[will10]

New Sky signing Josh Edmondson has already shown more in his career than a pre-August 2011 Chris Froome.

Just sayin'.

 

[Bexon30]

I doubted whether Wiggins would get himself back in shape...mentally first, then physically, to tackle just the Giro, let alone the double. I also doubted the ability to get a team with sufficient focus to deliver either the Giro or the tour this year...especially given the obvious conflict between camp Wiggo and camp Froome.
I don't think for one second that Froome could have beaten Wiggins last year. Dancing about for short showy bursts doesn't convince me at all. He was though, when he was pulling, just about the best super-dom Wiggo could have asked for.

If Brailsford can figure a plan to get teams together with the appropriate focus for the two GTs....and if Wiggo is prepared to go through the same privation that he did last year, then Wiggins has as good a chance as anyone of pulling it off. I'm still not sure he is.

Glad to see Brailsford still unequivocally stating, publicly, that Wiggins won the tour clean. He deserved his Coach of the Year award...the financial bounty to BC today emphasised that.

Wiggins will get back to shape BskyB have invested in him.
As for the double that'd take some serious dope.

 

[bobbins]

Honestly, bobbins, you try too hard.

BSkyB have funded Team Sky with outrageous money - they must be damn close to the richest team in cycling history - there is zero need for those guys to skim money from grassroots participation funding (todays' announcement) never mind the elite level funding (tomorrow's announcement).

Still, keep plugging away, bob....

So why are Sky staff paid by BC?