Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[armchairclimber]

Yeah, good to see hes still claiming it. But you fear a freudian slip might come one day dont you?

I honestly don't....not where Wiggins is concerned.

Other team members? Maybe...but they'd be freelancing. There is no SKY "programme".

It's good that there's no "never tested positive" stuff or Armstrong style equivocation. The statement is made, over and again, Wiggins won clean.

I don't hear that kind of language from many other places at the top table of pro-cycling. Any road up...great that road cycling has become such a big draw for the British public....the only down side is that it'll be hard to get a parking space up at Holme Moss.

 

[martinvickers]

So why are Sky staff paid by BC?

To carry out BC duties - they have two jobs. Not rocket science.

 

[Mellow Velo]

New Sky signing Josh Edmondson has already shown more in his career than a pre-August 2011 Chris Froome.

Just sayin'.

That won't stop him from getting the same scepto-treatment around here.
An outstanding prospect. Very good when the road turns uphill.
Saw him drop all and sundry as an 18 YO.

To carry out BC duties - they have two jobs. Not rocket science.

Oh, I think you'll find it is............for some.

 

[thehog]

Like Bruyneel said to Vaughters when he was joining CA: “Good luck with your hematocrit getting a decent contract – only responders get paid the big amounts”.

Froome is a responder.

 

[roundabout]

New Sky signing Josh Edmondson has already shown more in his career than a pre-August 2011 Chris Froome.

Just sayin'.

I don't know.

Sure, he finished 10th in Aosta, but was over 20 minutes behind.

 

[del1962]

Actually Froome may benefit from spending his childhood living at altitude, which would probably make hin a non responder, at least this is what we here from Kenyan athletes

I remember Henry Rono, used to be an incredible runner (pre EPO days), what set him apart was as that as someone who lived at altitude had incredible recovery powers, he would run a 10k with surges, which when followed really screwed up his rivals

 

[JimmyFingers]

New Sky signing Josh Edmondson has already shown more in his career than a pre-August 2011 Chris Froome.

Just sayin'.

So British, and good, signs for Sky ergo a doper

 

[del1962]

Josh Edmunsson looked good in Tour of Britain, shows promise.

 

[ferryman]

So British, and good, signs for Sky ergo a doper

I don't think he was a having a dig at the youngster.

 

[JimmyFingers]

I don't think he was a having a dig at the youngster.

Its difficult to know in this place. And if he isn't, someone will soon enough. I'm wondering if there's a hidden meaning to the target on Wiggins' kit

His suit was sharp last night, and so was his banter. Good lad

 

[coinneach]

Its difficult to know in this place. And if he isn't, someone will soon enough. I'm wondering if there's a hidden meaning to the target on Wiggins' kit

His suit was sharp last night, and so was his banter. Good lad

Is the target not just for female white van drivers to aim at?

 

[JimmyFingers]

Brad's opening speech

Checkout Froomedog's face at about 1.30 in

 

[acoggan]

acoggan had nothing negative to say about this REVOLUTIONARY, NEW, MARGINAL GAIN training regime

Revisionist history: what I wrote was "TT cadence down from 103 to 96 rpm (not that I think that would make much difference)".

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1094335&postcount=1159

Now if you'd like to hear what I do think could very well have made a difference, I'll be happy to post the pages from Wiggins' book where he discusses TSS.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Brad's opening speech

Checkout Froomedog's face at about 1.30 in

Froome wants the cash and fame too. No doubt about it.

 

[The Hitch]

So a pretty decent reason why Wiggo was poor in the Tour in 2010, that and he was on the sauce

Wiggins did the Giro 2010 as training which is completely different to targetting the Giro for the win.

All the guys i mentioned were fighting in the GC at the Giro and then went to the Tour.

Wiggins meanwhile took the Giro as a training ride finishing the mountain stages half an hour back.

If you take a race as a training ride then you are not actually hitting top form which means you can still build up slowly until you hit your peak once the tour comes along.

If you go for the Giro ftw however then you have to hit your top form in May and then rest a bit but not too much so that you can hit your top form again 5 weeks later.

But i wouldnt say the Giro was the reason for his poor performance at the Tour because riders who exerted themselves far more at the Giro and went for gc still outperformed him at the Tour, like Evans and vino.

The reason for that is a mystery, since the people Wiggins claimed to be feeling very good, and yet the people he was getting dropped by was just ridiculous,

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Revisionist history: what I wrote was "TT cadence down from 103 to 96 rpm (not that I think that would make much difference)".

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1094335&postcount=1159

Now if you'd like to hear what I do think could very well have made a difference, I'll be happy to post the pages from Wiggins' book where he discusses TSS.

Like I said - you had and still have nothing negative to say about climbing at 50rpm to improve your 96rpm TT power.

 

[acoggan]

Like I said - you had and still have nothing negative to say about climbing at 50rpm to improve your 96rpm TT power.

You just contradicted yourself:

"in every discussion to date, the PhD Andrew Coggan has said strength doesn't mean anything. As have his coaching buddies. ie that you don't need to ride a big gear to get strong. And riding any other cadence than your race cadence is a waste of time."

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1094410&postcount=1160

 

[Dear Wiggo]

You just contradicted yourself:

"in every discussion to date, the PhD Andrew Coggan has said strength doesn't mean anything. As have his coaching buddies. ie that you don't need to ride a big gear to get strong. And riding any other cadence than your race cadence is a waste of time."

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1094410&postcount=1160

And yet in this one instance, where the single most dominant cyclist in 2012 mentions doing exactly that, you say ... NOTHING.

I was the one who contrasted what you screen shotted with your previous statements, not you. You wrote NOTHING in regards to the training allegedly used to improve Brad's TTing. NOTHING.

So I am not contradicting myself one iota.

But please, continue.

You still have not disagreed with Kerrison's training plan for Wiggins. You are still relying on someone else speaking for you.

Man up.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Wiggins did the Giro 2010 as training which is completely different to targetting the Giro for the win.

All the guys i mentioned were fighting in the GC at the Giro and then went to the Tour.

Wiggins meanwhile took the Giro as a training ride finishing the mountain stages half an hour back.

If you take a race as a training ride then you are not actually hitting top form which means you can still build up slowly until you hit your peak once the tour comes along.

If you go for the Giro ftw however then you have to hit your top form in May and then rest a bit but not too much so that you can hit your top form again 5 weeks later.

But i wouldnt say the Giro was the reason for his poor performance at the Tour because riders who exerted themselves far more at the Giro and went for gc still outperformed him at the Tour, like Evans and vino.

The reason for that is a mystery, since the people Wiggins claimed to be feeling very good, and yet the people he was getting dropped by was just ridiculous,

Ok I'll concede that point, you know the details better than me. Must have been the sauce then

 

[JimmyFingers]

Froome wants the cash and fame too. No doubt about it.

He looked like he wanted to eat Wggo's heart as part of a satanic ritual. Perhaps now we see the reason for Froome's performance spike: he went down to the crossroads...

 

[The Hitch]

I honestly don't....not where Wiggins is concerned.

Other team members? Maybe...but they'd be freelancing.

Yeah we get the trick by now and no ones buying it. We know your not an insider so stop claiming to be one.

 

[The Hitch]

Ok I'll concede that point, you know the details better than me. Must have been the sauce then

i never said that. Nor did i say anything about doping. this goes back to the complaint i made 10 pages back to you. You hijack every discussion with this " but you all said hes a doper" crap.

Its becoming as much of a broken record as dear wiggo.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

If Froome did go down to the crossroads, I can respect that. Robert Johnson was great.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

He looked like he wanted to eat Wggo's heart as part of a satanic ritual. Perhaps now we see the reason for Froome's performance spike: he went down to the crossroads...

Wiggins could be a go for the double after May. It will be brutal.

 

[JimmyFingers]

i never said that. Nor did i say anything about doping. this goes back to the complaint i made 10 pages back to you. You hijack every discussion with this " but you all said hes a doper" crap.

Its becoming as much of a broken record as dear wiggo.

By sauce I meant booze, as it was one of the reasons Wiggo cited for a poor 2010, as was riding the Giro. You misjudge me yet again