Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Franklin]

exactly. end of discussion.

I know man! That's why Doctor Menuet does no longer work at a pro team...

Oh wait...

Hmmm....

He still works at a pro team...

Awww... seems your argument is blown away already.

 

[Franklin]

Evidence or links? I'm sure the MSM would be interested. Or did you in fact mean "think".

There is no evidence at all. This is just moronic and polluting the discussion.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Not sure your wording is quite right, but I think you are saying the Rabo boys would have told other team mates?

Problem is, to tell anyone means they then face the same sacking; the have to fall on their sword, to slay the evil Doctor Leinders.

That's the big fail with this zero policy lark. Instead of destroying Omerta, it actually enforces it.

That's why I think the Garmin approach is better at the current time in this sport.

A few years down the line true zero tolerance may be the right way, but not now.

 

[The Hitch]

rasmussen did all on himself. he was already a loose cannon in csc.

also it's downright hilarious to think they would only dope porte, rogers and froome and not the rest, who didn't gain much, if anything at all. also porte was always a huge talent. he comes as no surprise and rogers used to be a lot better 10 years ago

Rogers use to be by his own words around the same if not worse 10 years ago. And when was that? Oh yes when he was doping.

As for porte, well you didn't seem to see him as a "huge talent" before

australia racing in terms of climbing is like usa. not to be taken too serious. the level is very low relatively to europe.

porte has a lot of progression in him for sure, and yes his first year but he's also 25 as a first year pro.

yeah and in his first year in europe he placed 7th in the Giro and beat Canc in a ITT. He has only been riding road for 3-4 years now and is making fantastic progress, I wouldn't discount anything at this point.
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yeah 7th because of a break that gave him ridiculous time. like I said without that not even top 20. not by a long shot

 

[coinneach]

That's why I think the Garmin approach is better at the current time in this sport.

A few years down the line true zero tolerance may be the right way, but not now.

You may be right, but if you were a major sponsor (or thinking of becoming one) would you not want your team to be publically a zero tolerance? For me, its a no -brainer

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

It's hilarious that they'd only dope Porte, Rogers and Froome and not the rest? But just the other day you were saying US Postal only doped Livingston and Hamilton with EPO in 1999. You know, the mountain squad.

yes because they were afraid to be caught. but according to all here, sky will never be caught and they have uci in their backpockets

besides, there are better riders for the gt's like uran and henao, that don't show amazing progress.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

We know that Cav, Eisel and EBH were clean at the Tour and we know that Froome and Rogers weren't. The other four are debatable imo. The less who dope the better, makes it much easier to keep it all a secret. I think it's possible that Knees and Sioutsou were clean, they didn't need to be doped up to ride as they did last year.

I stopped reading there. whatever man in your fantasy world. if you know all this, why don't you inform the uci or media outlets? let me tell you why. you have nothing and it's ridiculous statements that make the clinic such a joke.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Rogers use to be by his own words around the same if not worse 10 years ago. And when was that? Oh yes when he was doping.

As for porte, well you didn't seem to see him as a "huge talent" before

porte was not a climber, but he was also much heavier when he came to europe. I will never forget how he blew away all in baby giro itt, he lost 6 kg and he climbs very well now, while his itt has gotten worse somewhat. also he's been cycling since around his 20th so he's logical to make a lot of progress still.

rogers own words I don't care. 10 years ago he had far better results against doped riders. he's basically had his first injury free year in 2012 since 2 or 3 years

 

[hrotha]

yes because they were afraid to be caught. but according to all here, sky will never be caught and they have uci in their backpockets

besides, there are better riders for the gt's like uran and henao, that don't show amazing progress.

Strawman. I didn't say that, and the Clinic is not a hive mind.

Having a hardcore inner ring makes perfect sense and is well attested in recent history. Urán and Henao may not have been deemed trustworthy enough to be in it (particularly Henao, since he's new to European cycling), or it may have been deemed an unnecessary risk to have more people than needed in the inner circle.

 

[Ferminal]

Porte is 6kg under his 2010 Giro weight?

 

[euanli]

baby giro itt

not the big one

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Porte is 6kg under his 2010 Giro weight?

4 kg. I'm talking about his amateur days, where he was 6 kg heavier

 

[sniper]

Saxo-Tinkoff was a surprising choice considering the doping history of Contador and owner Bjarne Rijs, who doped to win the 1996 Tour.

Rogers could not be contacted for comment

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/cycling/rogers-move-still-rankles-for-sky-20130122-2d5c2.html

 

[thehog]

"I announce that I will testify and fully cooperate with the Dutch Anti-Doping Authority to help further clean the world of cycling. Therefore I choose to give the full extent of my knowledge, names, dates and details”

Dekker said in a statement released on Wednesday.


- Apparently according to Sky fan Mastersracer Dekker doped alone.

 

[SundayRider]

I just went on the Sky website to email them about a few things, I know the answers I will probably get but anyway. The email contact form only allows 200 characters (not words!) severely limiting questions that you can ask. I will post in this thread the response I get, if any.

 

[WinterRider]

We know that Cav, Eisel and EBH were clean at the Tour and we know that Froome and Rogers weren't. The other four are debatable imo. The less who dope the better, makes it much easier to keep it all a secret. I think it's possible that Knees and Sioutsou were clean, they didn't need to be doped up to ride as they did last year.

EBH seemed suspicious too. I can recall him leading the peloton up mountains and winning sprints. Those tend to be mutually exclusive specialties.

 

[Joachim]

Sky fans lie to protect omertà. That much we know.

Your desperate need for attention knows no bounds

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

EBH seemed suspicious too. I can recall him leading the peloton up mountains and winning sprints. Those tend to be mutually exclusive specialties.

where?


....

 

[ebandit]

if only

Sky fans lie to protect omertà. That much we know.

hardly 'we' known only to yourself.........................oh the 'royal'

we...................from the prince of duplicity..............a lie

is not a lie if you say it

 

[shades1]

i pray to god that SKY never get done for doping , i think that would be the final nail in the coffin for the sport . with what has happened of late cycling is on its knees as it is . the thought of SKY ever being involved in suspicious activities would kill pro cycling forever .

 

[mastersracer]

hardly 'we' known only to yourself.........................oh the 'royal'

we...................from the prince of duplicity..............a lie

is not a lie if you say it

where's the lie? Name the post.

 

[coinneach]

Your desperate need for attention knows no bounds

As well as getting hacked off with Sky (or maybe because I am getting hacked off with Sky's PR) I am getting increasingly irritated by nearly every post by the H**. Its constant exaggeration/lying derails every discussion and forces people into unnecessary arguments when we should be trying to find the truth.
And you almost never get a retraction, so I just don't bother correcting them, and hope that other posters can take them with a pinch of salt.
(For those who follow Borgen, it reminds me of the position taken by the Freedom Party leader, who provokes a response, then plays the victim role, if anyone saw episode 6, series 2?)

There: I've got that off my chest!

 

[ebandit]

lies

hoggie lies.........'i have video proof of sky doping'

'i can prove brad is a client of ferarri'

'sky fans protect omerta' here sky fans request more info
to know more

there have been many others...........other members have pointed these outs
mods have warned hoggie to stick to the facts

 

[ebandit]

lies

where's the lie? Name the post.

hoggie lies.........'i have video proof of sky doping'

'i can prove brad is a client of ferarri'

'sky fans protect omerta' but truth is here sky fans request more info
to know more

there have been many others...........other members have pointed these out
mods have warned hoggie to stick to the facts

 

[JimmyFingers]

26 year old rider with a thin palmares on the road, but with a track background breaks away from a strong peloton on a punchy climb, maintains the breakaway before sprinting away strongly from his fellow escapees from a long way out, riding for Sky.

Surprised G hasn't got it big from this place. Maybe because (on the basis of his win) he rides with some panache and nous and he hasn't called anyone a w*nker yet