Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[mastersracer]

I like the argument that Richie Porte only beating 3 out of 4 dopers is somehow supposed to make him look clean.

you need to spend some more time considering what times on that list are the outliers.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Fact: conditions were more favorable for a faster ascent today than in 2009. See how many more top times are from today (let me know if I need to spell out the reasoning behind this for you).

Actually yes.
Please spell it out clearly. I would be very interested in your answer. Very.

Fact: Contador 6.19 watts/kg. Talansky: 5.73.

Can you provide a link to both these 'facts'.

 

[BlenJones2]

Comparing the times on the final climb is only useful to a certain extent. As well as wind, wheels etc we don't know how hard/fast the peloton did the previous climbs and days stages

 

[will10]

So, you, Englishman, have actually seen David Lopez riding like this before in his more than splendid carreer?

Gotta be kiddin' me.

I think the last time was when he and Luis Leon cracked Contador in PN four years ago. Wasn't that David Lopez? May have been some other random Spanish climber to be fair.

 

[will10]

what a lot of u guys dont seem to realise is there's a million reasons why a cyclists performances can improve apart from doping. for example, SKY'S training in Tenerife gives them a big advantage i believe as they get in a dedicated block of high-altitude training in the winter which AFAIK most teams arent able to replicate.

Altitude! Why didn't anyone else think of that!?

Oh wait, they did.

funny i dont remember any of this rubbish when Froome was getting beat out of sight in last years Vuelta. i guess they forgot to take his magic pills...

One "poor" performance doesn't undo what we saw at the Vuelta 2011 and Tour 2012.

and what exactly did Porte do today? he beat an aging denis menchov by 26 secs over a 1000m climb - WOWWEEE!!! - he must be dosed up to the eyeballs lol

Porte attacks at what, 1.5km to go? Catches Menchov 2-300 metres later? Puts 26 seconds into him in 1200 metres? Puts over 30s into everyone else in 1500 metres? Seems legit.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I think the last time was when he and Luis Leon cracked Contador in PN four years ago. Wasn't that David Lopez? May have been some other random Spanish climber to be fair.

David Lopez was +2 minutes on stage 7 (P-N 2009) where Lulu won and Contador cracked.

Mr Lopez was very good indeed today.

 

[Moller]

perhaps he saw jesus after leaving rabo?

Where did that pic come from? If tis take by a press photographer in 2011 howcome it's only comin out now?

 

[will10]

Who's the Sky rider in that pic?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I think the last time was when he and Luis Leon cracked Contador in PN four years ago. Wasn't that David Lopez? May have been some other random Spanish climber to be fair.

Antonio Colóm. López was back in the péloton, as one of Lulu's teammates he didn't want to pull guys like Evans up.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Antonio Colóm. López was back in the péloton, as one of Lulu's teammates he didn't want to pull guys like Evans up.

Lopez is talented, but really a support rider is simply not supposed to drop GC contenders after having done serious pulls at the front on a climb. The stuff belongs to the LA era.

 

[goggalor]

So Porte was 53 seconds than contador was in 2009. But don't let facts get in the way of fiction

It's worth mentioning that Contador won by 58" over Fränk Schleck, and he attacked with 8.5 km to go, and was going à bloc for a good 20 minutes. Porte only went all out for the last 1.5 km today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=J0YmrXTC1b0#t=874s

 

[The Chicken]

Who's the Sky rider in that pic?

Looks like Mat Hayman to me.

 

[Cyivel]

Looks like Mat Hayman to me.

You're right it's Hayman.

 

[stefrees]

Do you all believe in conspiracy theories too? You all sound like bitter man united fans

 

[Cyivel]

Cyclists doping, what a conspiracy up there with Sandy Hook being a hoax!!

 

[thehog]

It's worth mentioning that Contador won by 58" over Fränk Schleck, and he attacked with 8.5 km to go, and was going à bloc for a good 20 minutes. Porte only went all out for the last 1.5 km today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=J0YmrXTC1b0#t=874s

Who was in the Astana train? Popo's, Kloden?

 

[Parrulo]

Who was in the Astana train? Popo's, Kloden?

and paulinho

 

[Netserk]

and paulinho

He looks so much..

..thinner

 

[Galic Ho]

Life is just unfair.

Don't worry Jimmy. Sky are in Tenerife unaware of the troubles.

The classics will be smashed to pieces.

You can gloate then.

Who is on their Classics team? EBH? Or is one of the GB track boys their go to guy this year?

 

[Galic Ho]

Dario Cioni finally states why Sir Wiggo won everything last year, it's time to leave him out of the clinic for good, no?

"Another thing is that Brad really did a year that was one-thousand percent for the bike, one-thousand percent committed. And that’s something people don’t see at home, or maybe don’t realize."

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013...transparency-wiggins-and-winning-tours_277210

With that type of foresight and alertness one would think getting hit by a car whilst riding at night, would not occur.

Glad to know that being super alert and focused to an almost unfathomable degree is what made Brad the best rider behind Purito last year. Good to know!

 

[Galic Ho]

If having a team staff member who has a doping past is the litmus test of a systematic doping program, then every team would be guilty (I know this is the dogmatic assertion of many in this clinic...), but, there is no specific evidence that Leinders administered a program while at Sky, the timeline does not fit, and the historical absolute performance data does not fit.

What will be the explanation when the criminal investigation against Leinders doesn't incriminate SKy?

What will be the explanation when Sky's performance does not decrease this year despite Leinders' absence?

What will be the explanation when Wiggins wins the Giro without Leinders?

What will be the explanation when Froome wins the Tour without Leinders?

Good questions.

The first comes with a presumption that the Dutch, who are more interested in Dutch financial investments into cycling and whether that funded doping, could give a flying frig about the guys in the UK 3 years after the fact their Rabo boys were doping like crazy, decided to utilise one of the doctors behind their system of success. Truth is they don't care. Why would they? It's about showing Dutch team was dirty but Dutch youth are now good.

The remaining three are all conditional on the presumption that an idiot couldn't follow Leinders well rehearsed plan that was in practice for 2 years and that he in fact is the mastermind. That has always been up for debate. Tim Kerrison undoubtedly knows how to dope people. Same with a number of the former riders turned trainers. Julich still there? Anyone know what Ferrari is up to these days? We know Fuentes is being kept busy in court, so what about Michele? Rasmussen confirmed Leinders got him started on the blood transfusions at Rabo but he switched to Matschiner later. He's interchangeable. He's a disposable commodity at this juncture. He's not a given or a needed element. Success is not conditional on his presence. His system and transplanted knowledge? Yes. But that's been done.

Fret not, your boys will win races this year. The two best rides I've seen so far have been from Thomas and Porte...Sky are off to another cracker season!

 

[Galic Ho]

I think that was Porte's warm down from yesterday.

He didn't look tired at all.

Going to be an awesome season.

Sky should go 1-2-3 in all Grand Tours.

Should win Roubaix and Flanders as well.

Wait a just a minute hog. OPQS have themselves a very handy doping doctor. Good ol Tommeke won't take a beating lying down. Nor will Spartacus, or I can imagine for that matter will Sagan.

 

[thehog]

Wait a just a minute hog. OPQS have themselves a very handy doping doctor. Good ol Tommeke won't take a beating lying down. Nor will Spartacus, or I can imagine for that matter will Sagan.

I'm with you. I want Sky to go full ***. I want them to dope so hard they make Gewiss look clean.

That is the only way to clean out this scourge.... the only way.

 

[Ferminal]

I'm glad Contador 2009 is now the benchmark of what is achievable clean.

 

[BroDeal]

I'm with you. I want Sky to go full ***. I want them to dope so hard they make Gewiss look clean.

That is the only way to clean out this scourge.... the only way.

I bet somewhere in Austin there is a sad cowboy cursing every time he watches cycling and wonders why they came after him for stuff that happened ten years ago while Sky is making a joke of the sport today.