Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Alpechraxler]

What kind of specialist is Leinders ?

I mean there are actually real team doctors who operate on broken claviculas and knee injuries. But sometimes i really wonder. The whole Team BMC had a "virus" in 2012. And they didn't find out ? Can't they do a proper blood test, liquor puncture, pcr, urethra swab ...

Oh by the way: This Doc was apparently doing his work
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/virus-sidelines-rogers

 

[the sceptic]

What kind of specialist is Leinders ?

I mean there are actually real team doctors who operate on broken claviculas and knee injuries. But sometimes i really wonder. The whole Team BMC had a "virus" in 2012. And they didn't find out ? Can't they do a proper blood test, liquor puncture, pcr, urethra swab ...

Oh by the way: This Doc was apparently doing his work
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/virus-sidelines-rogers

He is the leading authority on saddle sores.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

What kind of specialist is Leinders ?

I mean there are actually real team doctors who operate on broken claviculas and knee injuries. But sometimes i really wonder. The whole Team BMC had a "virus" in 2012. And they didn't find out ? Can't they do a proper blood test, liquor puncture, pcr, urethra swab ...

Oh by the way: This Doc was apparently doing his work
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/virus-sidelines-rogers

I would ignore most of the virus and parasite stuff. Its irrelevant.

In 2012 BMC got a call from Hein telling them about issues with the bio passport. Better stay on the safe side.

 

[Alpechraxler]

Urologist really ?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

What kind of specialist is Leinders ?

I mean there are actually real team doctors who operate on broken claviculas and knee injuries. But sometimes i really wonder. The whole Team BMC had a "virus" in 2012. And they didn't find out ? Can't they do a proper blood test, liquor puncture, pcr, urethra swab ...

Oh by the way: This Doc was apparently doing his work
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/virus-sidelines-rogers

Rogers has yearly virus problems.

In 2010 the entire Sky team had a "virus" at the Vuelta, and withdrew when their soigneur died from a virus.

 

[martinvickers]

Rogers has yearly virus problems.

In 2010 the entire Sky team had a "virus" at the Vuelta, and withdrew when their soigneur died from a virus.

I was under the impression he died from a sepsis consequent on a secondary bacterial, rather than viral, infection?

Can you link to a source, there?. thanks.

 

[Tinman]

So on both Leinders days employed and SRM use in Tirreno Sir Dave is plain lying or severely twisting the truth.

Not a good start to the season when you are trying to take the moral high ground on "clean" via playing the "I am 100% credible and you can trust me totally" angle...

Further confirmation to me that Brailsford is simply a slippery snake oil salesman. Clever in surrounding himself with good people, but slippery on truth and will transgress the line if/when it is opportune. And be the first to jump the ship when it goes down (prediction), ie plead total ignorance.

 

[Tinman]

In 2012 BMC got a call from Hein telling them about issues with the bio passport. Better stay on the safe side.

Hearsay/fact or assumption/hypothesis?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Hearsay/fact or assumption/hypothesis?

lol, everything I say is just made up.

However WT race Down Under -> Evans TdF Winner -> Australian WT team.
And it all benefited Mr Rihs in the end.
Now its Sky and UK. Ultimo Yorkshire '14.
Then what? Asia or South America?

 

[Tinman]

Then what? Asia or South America?

Africa is the new business frontier.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Africa is the new business frontier.

Handy that the UK team has a SA-originating rider on the roster, eh?

 

[Tinman]

Kenia, apparently great for training camps too.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Africa is the new business frontier.

Sure, nice part of the world, but business wise its still peanuts.

Still don't understand why Hein and Phat doesn't go after South America. Language problems?

 

[martinvickers]

Sure, nice part of the world, but business wise its still peanuts.

Still don't understand why Hein and Phat doesn't go after South America. Language problems?

Maybe they are waiting till 2016.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Maybe they are waiting till 2016.

gotta put the cannons in place before.
And South America is some distance from the core of cycling.
Team Colombia looks ok, but they lack broader appeal in the region.

Anyway we shall see.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Brailsford now claims Leinders was employed by Sky for 40 days. Over a 3 year period, that would mean Leinders worked 16.5 days a year. How does a person pay the bills working only 16 days a year? It doesn’t make any sense. Was Leinders moonlighting elsewhere? Is he so wealthy he didn’t need the income? Exactly how much did Sky pay for Leinders’ experience?

Brailsford needs to provide a better explanation about why and what was a doping doctor doing at Sky.

2012:
4-11 March Paris Nice - 8 days.
21 March Dwars Door Vlaanderen - 1 day.
23 March Prijs Vlaanderen - 1 day.
25 March Gent-Wevelgem - 1 day.
4 April Scheldeprijs - 1 day.
8 Aprl Paris-Roubaix -1 day.
24-29 Apr Tour of Romandie - 6 days.
3-10 June du Dauphine - 8 days.

That is just race days in 6 months of 2012.
And I doubt Leinders was only around on race days - there are a number of 1 day events in March/April that run in to each other, I doubt they would send home staff in the middle of the classics campaign.

 

[sittingbison]

What kind of specialist is Leinders ?

I mean there are actually real team doctors who operate on broken claviculas and knee injuries. But sometimes i really wonder. The whole Team BMC had a "virus" in 2012. And they didn't find out ? Can't they do a proper blood test, liquor puncture, pcr, urethra swab ...

Oh by the way: This Doc was apparently doing his work
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/virus-sidelines-rogers

He is the leading authority on saddle sores.

Here you go, straight from Sir Dave:

Dr Leinders, first worked with the team in late 2010 and was contracted, on a freelance basis, to do 80 days in 2011 and another 80 days this year.

“You have to base it on facts,” said Brailsford. “Has the guy cheated while he’s been with us? No. Has the guy been a good doctor? Yes, brilliant. The guy really understands. This is not about doping. We’re pushing the guys to their limits, so we need to look after them. It’s about genuine medical practice. I’ll give you an example – saddle sores. Some of the sores the guys get are horrendous. Edvald [Boasson Hagen] had a really bad one and we thought ‘will we be able to send him to the Tour? Do we operate?’ Only a guy who has seen an awful lot of saddle sores can assess that and answer that question.

Interesting the bolded bit about contracted work times.

 

[northstar]

2012:
4-11 March Paris Nice - 8 days.
21 March Dwars Door Vlaanderen - 1 day.
23 March Prijs Vlaanderen - 1 day.
25 March Gent-Wevelgem - 1 day.
4 April Scheldeprijs - 1 day.
8 Aprl Paris-Roubaix -1 day.
24-29 Apr Tour of Romandie - 6 days.
3-10 June du Dauphine - 8 days.

That is just race days in 6 months of 2012.
And I doubt Leinders was only around on race days - there are a number of 1 day events in March/April that run in to each other, I doubt they would send home staff in the middle of the classics campaign.

You forgot Tenerife.

So Leinders was hired on a contract basis in late 2010, worked 80 days in 2011, was contracted to work 80 days in 2012 but actually only worked 40 days. He was at the races up until June and then he disappeared from sight.

I still find it unbelievable that a team with a zero tolerance policy hire a doping doctor, employ him for over 2 years and then let him go one day prior to the Reasoned Decision being released. At the very least, Sky should have terminated his contract last July. They obviously knew something was wrong as he wasn’t at the TdF.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I still find it unbelievable that a team with a zero tolerance policy hire a doping doctor, employ him for over 2 years and then let him go one day prior to the Reasoned Decision being released. At the very least, Sky should have terminated his contract last July. They obviously knew something was wrong as he wasn’t at the TdF.

JV wasn't at the Giro last year. You know. The first time a clean team won a GT? Not having Leinders at the TdF doesn't really mean much of anything, imo.

 

[thehog]

You forgot Tenerife.

So Leinders was hired on a contract basis in late 2010, worked 80 days in 2011, was contracted to work 80 days in 2012 but actually only worked 40 days. He was at the races up until June and then he disappeared from sight.

I still find it unbelievable that a team with a zero tolerance policy hire a doping doctor, employ him for over 2 years and then let him go one day prior to the Reasoned Decision being released. At the very least, Sky should have terminated his contract last July. They obviously knew something was wrong as he wasn’t at the TdF.

At the time he was the best doping Doctor without a bad reputation. Perfect person to hire.

He worked 80 days per year prescribing panadol.

As we know now he was the best person to hire. Knew everything from microdosing with EPO to setting up a teamwide blood doping program and to not testing positive.

He didn't come with the same reputation as Fuentes or anyone else.

Excellent guy to put on the payroll.

There were a lot or Rabo guys at Sky. They knew and Leinders came highly recommended. No Rabo rider ever tested positive.

 

[northstar]

JV wasn't at the Giro last year. You know. The first time a clean team won a GT? Not having Leinders at the TdF doesn't really mean much of anything, imo.

What is JV’s attendance record at all races? As a manager does JV need to be at the race? Anyways, I thought he went for the podium ceremony. That counts right?

Leinders, on the other hand, should be at the race. As a doctor is that not what he is hired for. To fight those nasty saddle sores.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

You forgot Tenerife.

So Leinders was hired on a contract basis in late 2010, worked 80 days in 2011, was contracted to work 80 days in 2012 but actually only worked 40 days. He was at the races up until June and then he disappeared from sight.

I still find it unbelievable that a team with a zero tolerance policy hire a doping doctor, employ him for over 2 years and then let him go one day prior to the Reasoned Decision being released. At the very least, Sky should have terminated his contract last July. They obviously knew something was wrong as he wasn’t at the TdF.

Apologies - I thought it was claimed he worked 80 days for Sky in total.
Did a quick check and see it was 80 days per year. Which is basically following a group of riders for a cycling season.

 

[BroDeal]

Sure, nice part of the world, but business wise its still peanuts.

Still don't understand why Hein and Phat doesn't go after South America. Language problems?

McQuaid is not big on non-Anglo countries. Filled with doperz, ya know.

 

[northstar]

Apologies - I thought it was claimed he worked 80 days for Sky in total.
Did a quick check and see it was 80 days per year. Which is basically following a group of riders for a cycling season.

It’s confusing. I’m still not sure if I’ve got it right. Every new quote from Brailsford seems to contradict the last one.

80 days still seems to be a small number of days to be following a team for a season. I would have thought a higher number, maybe around 120 (+/-). But I guess it depends on how many races they do in a year.

 

[thehog]

It’s confusing. I’m still not sure if I’ve got it right. Every new quote from Brailsford seems to contradict the last one.

80 days still seems to be a small number of days to be following a team for a season. I would have thought a higher number, maybe around 120 (+/-). But I guess it depends on how many races they do in a year.

How many races does Fuentes and Ferrari attend? Testa?

Their best work is done elsewhere not at races.

But right you are. If it was a real Doctor treating medical conditions. He'd be at the races. Especially the big ones.