Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

It’s confusing. I’m still not sure if I’ve got it right. Every new quote from Brailsford seems to contradict the last one.

80 days still seems to be a small number of days to be following a team for a season. I would have thought a higher number, maybe around 120 (+/-). But I guess it depends on how many races they do in a year.

80 days are 12 weeks.

How many trips to Teide have SKY taken last year?

If only those whereabouts were in the open.

 

[Wiggo Warrior]

It’s confusing. I’m still not sure if I’ve got it right. Every new quote from Brailsford seems to contradict the last one.

80 days still seems to be a small number of days to be following a team for a season. I would have thought a higher number, maybe around 120 (+/-). But I guess it depends on how many races they do in a year.

They had (and still have) four doctors, Farrell is the only full time one and did all three GT's last year, with the rest on varying contracts to suit their out of cycling practices. All info readily available on the team site.

 

[thehog]

They had (and still have) four doctors, Farrell is the only full time one and did all three GT's last year, with the rest on varying contracts to suit their out of cycling practices. All info readily available on the team site.

Four Doctors?

So why hire Leinders.

What was his speciality?

 

[thirteen]

Rogers has yearly virus problems.

In 2010 the entire Sky team had a "virus" at the Vuelta, and withdrew when their soigneur died from a virus.

I was under the impression he died from a sepsis consequent on a secondary bacterial, rather than viral, infection?

Can you link to a source, there?. thanks.

MV, you are correct:

Team Sky's Head of Medical Dr Steve Peters said: "Txema contracted a bacterial infection which entered the bloodstream and developed into sepsis. The toxins from this had damaged the organs in his body and he went into septic shock and unfortunately succumbed to that.”

"I should also clarify that this bacterial infection has nothing to do with the viral infection which many of the team have suffered with in Spain, causing stomach upset."

even though the same article begins, stating that it started with a virus:

Team Sky officials have confirmed that soigneur Txema Gonzalez has died in Seville, five days after he was taken to hospital with a virus that developed into a sepsis blood infection.

 

[Benotti69]

So Froome has an SRM on Chieti stage but I think DB is referring to Prati di Tivo stage where we saw the sky train in action

The picture of Froome in the blue Jersey was taken in Porto Sant'Elpidio, Stage 6 where the finish was Porto Sant'Elpidio.

http://www.steephill.tv/2013/tirreno-adriatico/photos/stage-06/

The day 50 riders left the race, the day that Brailsford said no srms because they had compacts on. Well Froome is sitting on a dogma with a srm on his chainset. If you look closely, Froomes chainset looks like a compact, which makes sense as a team leaderand race leader he would get what he needs, a srm meter. So Brailsford is telling porkies.

But you probably know this and are try to obfuscate it.

 

[Netserk]

Indeed. It has been proven numerous times now that DB is a liar. It's like he can't help himself.

 

[King Boonen]

Check his chainset in pic 3. Has a the srm on it.

I can't tell to be honest so I'll take your word for it.

 

[King Boonen]

speed cadence etc are measured via sensor, so independent of crank.

Huh? That's not at all relevant to what I asked is it? Would this info be displayed on the same head unit as power data?

 

[SundayRider]

Leinders was employed to give out paracetamol and caffiene, why didn't they just employ a nurse

 

[horsinabout]

Leinders was employed to give out paracetamol and caffiene, why didn't they just employ a nurse

You forgot the administering of precisely measured viles of green tea.

 

[King Boonen]

You forgot the administering of precisely measured viles of green tea.

That's my opinion of green tea too!!

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I would ignore most of the virus and parasite stuff. Its irrelevant.

In 2012 BMC got a call from Hein telling them about issues with the bio passport. Better stay on the safe side.

This right here, that is most likely the truth.

 

[Robert21]

Leinders was employed to give out paracetamol and caffiene, why didn't they just employ a nurse

Has Brailsford explained anywhere how doping riders with caffeine - which was on the banned list at one time and is a very powerful stimulant given a sufficient dose - ties is with a supposed ethos of racing clean?

 

[King Boonen]

Has Brailsford explained anywhere how doping riders with caffeine - which was on the banned list at one time and is a very powerful stimulant given a sufficient dose - ties is with a supposed ethos of racing clean?

If it isn't banned it isn't doping?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Has Brailsford explained anywhere how doping riders with caffeine - which was on the banned list at one time and is a very powerful stimulant given a sufficient dose - ties is with a supposed ethos of racing clean?

It is of the WADA list since 2004, so, technically no doping.

CONI once tried to get Bugno a two year ban for it, those lazy Italians, but was overturned by CAS/UCI.

 

[RownhamHill]

I'm a bit confused.

It seems form this board that there's no reason to employ a Dr for saddle sores or any other medical issue related to racing bikes, so Dr Leinders must have been employed for his doping expertise. Which seems fair enough on the face of it.

But then why did Sky employ another three doctors, including one full time? Do they have four different programmes?

 

[mattghg]

It seems form this board that there's no reason to employ a Dr for saddle sores or any other medical issue related to racing bikes

I don't think people are saying that (well, maybe some are), I think they're just expressing scepticism that this is the real reason why Leinders was hired.

 

[taiwan]

Good point. Highlights the fact that Sky hired Leinders when they have plenty of doctors to practise legit medicine.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Good point. Highlights the fact that Sky hired Leinders when they have plenty of doctors to practise legit medicine.

Well. Roger Palfreeman did not have the expertise to treat saddlesores, he had no cycling medicine history, not with the Bradster anyway.

Richard was the first to cause the team a problem. No sooner had the 2000 Giro started than the team doctor, Roger Palfreeman, discovered that Richard had been using a sports' supplement that contained banned substances. When Palfreeman quizzed him about it Richard claimed to have been using it for years. Worse, he'd recently started sharing it with the McCartneys' youngest rider, Ben Brooks.

A crisis meeting was called and a decision had to be made: take the risk of Richard or Brooks being tested and returning a positive, or get them off the race PDQ. They chose the latter. Deering put out a press release saying Richard and Brooks had taken ill after the prologue finished (no mention of bad fish). Remarkably, no journalist thought it odd enough to even merit a question.

Brad maybe have known the Roger could be a problem, given his stance on forbidden substances?

Reality again started intruding into the dream during the Tour, when some journalists took notice of news of Neil Stephens' arrival. Paul Sherwin told Deering he was "surprised" and that "the PR implications of putting somebody so tainted by the Festina thing into the ‘Clean Machine' don't bear thinking about." (Stephens had been a Festina rider in '98. Like Virenque, he insisted that he'd never knowingly taken drugs.) Even the Guardian's William Fotheringham - not known for going out of his way to ask questions about doping - contacted the team, asking about allegations in Fabrice l'Homme's newly published Les Proces Du Tour. According to l'Homme, Stephens had confessed to taking both EPO and HGH

Seems to me Fotheringham has lost his journalistic roots since the emergence of team SKY.

 

[Robert21]

If it isn't banned it isn't doping?

But to me racing clean means doing just that, racing without the use of performance enhancing drugs. Not taking performance enhancing drugs as long as they aren't included on a list somewhere, or are undetectable or whatever.

 

[sublimit]

Indeed. It has been proven numerous times now that DB is a liar. It's like he can't help himself.

Like everybody else involved in pro cycling tells the truth the whole time.

Liars in pro racing is endemic anyway, DB is learning fast.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Like everybody else involved in pro cycling tells the truth the whole time.

Liars in pro racing is endemic anyway, DB is learning fast.

Like everybody else involved in pro cycling is doping the whole time.

Doping in pro racing is endemic anyway, DB is learning fast.

He will be replaced soon, cannot poker this guy.

 

[King Boonen]

But to me racing clean means doing just that, racing without the use of performance enhancing drugs. Not taking performance enhancing drugs as long as they aren't included on a list somewhere, or are undetectable or whatever.

If it's not banned it's racing clean. I quite like your opinion, but are you going to say they need to ban espresso as well? What about supplements like whey protein?

 

[RownhamHill]

Good point. Highlights the fact that Sky hired Leinders when they have plenty of doctors to practise legit medicine.

I see. So three doctors are required for legit medicine, and one is needed for doping.

Is that a hard and fast rule?

 

[RownhamHill]

If it's not banned it's racing clean. I quite like your opinion, but are you going to say they need to ban espresso as well? What about supplements like whey protein?

Professional riders should only be allowed a diet of French bread and evian.