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Probably doesn't help they train in Teneriffe where last time I checked wasn't known for its cobbles. They should do more training in Belgium. Plus it's no concidence the riders who did well for them were their most experienced like Eisel. But I expect them to do well in the Ardennes
 
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Training in Tenerife for Paris-Roubaix would make sense if there were 6 hour climbs. But I am pretty sure there aren't.

Something to be said for pedaling non-stop for 6 hours if you want to race for 6 hours non-stop.
 
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Le Baroudeur said:
Majka has a serious knee injury/operation to recover from. Hence missing the Giro which he was suposed to captain, an injury that flared up again this year again ruling him out of his Giro role... Nothing to do with Alberto. Jesus is Alberto's budy so no doubt is motivated to ride for him.

I REALLY hope Majka recovers in time for the Tour.
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
If they're smart they'll try someone young who showed actual potential in these classics like Gaudin today, or on a lower level Sinkeldam

Stannard already is that guy. Sure, he didn't take it home but he was up there fairly late on (losing time to Boonen) at last year's race, and if he weren't being toasted as a domestique and was able to preserve some energy he might have been able to get a good result. Certainly little different to Sinkeldam today. And he was very good in San Remo.

I don't know that he has that 'it' factor, he seems to be lacking in weapons to attack, but he certainly has promise in the Classics. I just think his biggest weapon is ability to suffer and just keep going; most of his best results have come in the races in the worst conditions, and today probably just wasn't grim enough for him.
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Might try the Vanmarcke approach. Fall early on and do swimming as training

His performance today was incredible given his preparation. I also read that he crashed and punctured twice during the race! Crazy! He'll have more chances to win Roubaix for sure.
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
If they're smart they'll try someone young who showed actual potential in these classics like Gaudin today, or on a lower level Sinkeldam

You have to remember it's a British team though. Well, also Sky Italia own 25% of the team so they will be looking for Italians without clinic issues. I just don't think there are any for the cobbles.

They will have to stick with Thomas and Stannard and hope for the best.
 
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Netserk said:
Or maybe the magic beans aren't for the whole team?

Well they certainly aren't for the classics squad! The thing is I could probably just about buy one of Wiggins, Froome or Porte reaching the level they have, but all three together I just find it impossible given the history of the sport.
 
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JRanton said:
You have to remember it's a British team though. Well, also Sky Italia own 25% of the team so they will be looking for Italians without clinic issues. I just don't think there are any for the cobbles.

They will have to stick with Thomas and Stannard and hope for the best.
Sky have former Flanders espoirs winner Italian Puccio for the future..
 

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Libertine Seguros said:
Stannard already is that guy. Sure, he didn't take it home but he was up there fairly late on (losing time to Boonen) at last year's race, and if he weren't being toasted as a domestique and was able to preserve some energy he might have been able to get a good result. Certainly little different to Sinkeldam today. And he was very good in San Remo.

I don't know that he has that 'it' factor, he seems to be lacking in weapons to attack, but he certainly has promise in the Classics. I just think his biggest weapon is ability to suffer and just keep going; most of his best results have come in the races in the worst conditions, and today probably just wasn't grim enough for him.

I think one simply has to factor in the complete domination of the classics so far by Cancellara (3 mounuments - 3rd, 1st, 1st, 3 wins of 4 cobbeled classics), and to a slightly less extent Sagan - many of them by the tactical masterstroke of simply powering away.

Look at the current World tour rankings - Cancellara 1, Sagan 2 and almost all the other top places taken by a collection of stage race GC riders, a whole collection of whom - Nibali, Froome, Port, Quintana, Purito have had a series of excellent results.

Nobody else in the classics, the two top guys aside, is really putting together a consistent set of results. Indeed, Thomas's modest early season successes and indifferent classics form/crashing mentality have still kept him in the top 10 so far.

The sky boys have, in comparison been not bad, but that's about the height of it. Stannard was excellent in the San Remo, for example, showed a bit in another race. Thomas has, admittedly, brought the comedy by crashing almost every race. Eisel has been there or there abouts. Boassen Hagan clearly has issues that are going to have to be addressed.

But Sky's failure in the classics is really a reflection of the more general peleton failure, the inability of Anybody to consistently challenge Big Dog 1 and Big Dog 2 so far.
 
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Froome19 said:
Sky have former Flanders espoirs winner Italian Puccio for the future..

So I guess Movistar are all set for next years Flanders with Giovanni Visconti or Saxobank with Marko Kump. Lets not forget Popo won the u23 Roubaix and Eric Baumann says 'hello' too.
 
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BYOP88 said:
So I guess Movistar are all set for next years Flanders with Giovanni Visconti or Saxobank with Marko Kump. Lets not forget Popo won the u23 Roubaix and Eric Baumann says 'hello' too.

Argos will dominate Paris-Roubaix with three u23 winners, Veelers, Sinkeldam and De Kort :eek:
 
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Froome19 said:
True, but I do think he is a talent for the future nevertheless.

More of a punchy rider than a true cobbled guy. Won't do well on P-R. suited for Ronde ofc.
He himself sees him as a Oscar Freire type.
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Might try the Vanmarcke approach. Fall early on and do swimming as training
Cobbles are all about natural ability. Either you got it, or you don't. It doesn't matter how good form you are, if you're not fluent and comfortable on the cobbles you're not going to get a good result.

I'm sure that most of the Sky guys on the start today have better FTP values than Vanmarcke. But he's just so goddamn much better on the cobblestones than they are.

If riding on cobbles were all about numbers, which Sky seems to think (I guess they have learned now, though) then Tony Martin would be the best cobbled rider in the world...
 
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maltiv said:
Cobbles are all about natural ability. Either you got it, or you don't. It doesn't matter how good form you are, if you're not fluent and comfortable on the cobbles you're not going to get a good result.

I'm sure that most of the Sky guys on the start today have better FTP values than Vanmarcke. But he's just so goddamn much better on the cobblestones than they are.

If riding on cobbles were all about numbers, which Sky seems to think (I guess they have learned now, though) then Tony Martin would be the best cobbled rider in the world...

That's it. Hayman's numbers will be much worse than Stannard, Thomas and EBH but he's really the only Sky rider who handles the cobbles well. I've no doubt he'd have got their best result today if he hadn't gone up the road.

For all the hype about Thomas when you actually watch him on the cobbles he doesn't really look that good at all! He's strong and has good endurance but that isn't enough to win these races.

I think their best chance of a really good result was at Milan San-Remo with Thomas (and EBH really should have been better there).
 
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JRanton said:
That's it. Hayman's numbers will be much worse than Stannard, Thomas and EBH but he's really the only Sky rider who handles the cobbles well. I've no doubt he'd have got their best result today if he hadn't gone up the road.

For all the hype about Thomas when you actually watch him on the cobbles he doesn't really look that good at all! He's strong and has good endurance but that isn't enough to win these races.

I think their best chance of a really good result was at Milan San-Remo with Thomas (and EBH really should have been better there).

Thomas is best suited to Flemish classics, but he's too light for Roubaix. Currently he's Sky's best classics talent though.

EBH can't handle cobbles and distance, Stannard can only perform in freezing temperatures, and Eisel or Hayman aren't top riders either. They have to start recruiting some real classics talent to win this. Vanmarcke?

Let's hope not...
 
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Pentacycle said:
They have to start recruiting some real classics talent to win this. Vanmarcke?

Let's hope not...

They tried. Vanmarcke said a friend inside Sky told him not to even consider joining
 
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Pentacycle said:
For what reason :confused: Why does that friend work there in the first place?

A rider he knows well. Didn't say who. Supposedly the ambiance in the team was very bad at the time