Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[SundayRider]

TDF podium to winner? The two riders who finished in front of him in 2009 weren't at the races in 2012.

I didn't just mean the Tour and the fact that those two riders wern't at the Tour. I meant all his other victories and general level of performance too.

 

[the sceptic]

Just me here? Its cold and dark

Everyone probably got tired of your nonsense and put you on ignore

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Just me here? Its cold and dark

The Queen and the Greek Prince still love you.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Everyone probably got tired of your nonsense and put you on ignore

And there's me thinking we were friends

 

[JimmyFingers]

The Queen and the Greek Prince still love you.

This makes me feel better

 

[armchairclimber]

I didn't just mean the Tour and the fact that those two riders wern't at the Tour. I meant all his other victories and general level of performance too.

I know you did but that's a useful marker. He definitely improved...he looked fitter and leaner. More importantly (no disrespect to Garmin as I personally would have preferred him to stay there) he had a very good team dedicated to supporting him as leader in 2012.
He would naturally have improved too...the endurance pathways having had 3 more years to develop in his body. I still don't see that progression as massive.

The improvement in the previous period IS massive but actually just as easy to fathom without implicating PED use.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

SRM Kerrison quote

"We monitor the riders and we train to SRMs sometimes,.... There are so many factors that effect those numbers: the altitude you are at, how you feel on that day, where a climb occurs during a race. To think we're dialed into all those factors so we know what number they're supposed to ride at, is just not the case.

"We work really hard at training the guys to race on feel. If something goes wrong with your SRM, for example as it often does from the TV signal in races, the numbers aren’t available. If a rider can only race to their SRM, they wouldn't be able to perform."

What's this with TV signals blocking SRM - and how can we ensure it happens during GTs?

 

[LaFlorecita]

So why is Froome always looking at his power meter?

 

[Bexon30]

So why is Froome always looking at his power meter?

He waits for the no signal so he can perform.

 

[MartinGT]

Watched the Trentino today and Big Maggy was trying to say that when soemone like Nibbles shoots off at 40km/h, Wiggo can ride at 38.5km/h and slowly pull him in.

Pathetic

 

[Gloin22]

So why is Froome always looking at his power meter?

It's his style. He doesn't always look at meter when his head goes down, he just rides like that.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Not particularly relevant to specific athletes, evidence has surfaced that IGF-1 was used in the peloton 2008. That suggests peptide doping is likely very advanced at this point.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1203730&postcount=41

IGF-1 in particular is not the miracle EPO was, but seems like an incredibly useful drug for recovery with no steroid complications.

 

[armchairclimber]

Watched the Trentino today and Big Maggy was trying to say that when soemone like Nibbles shoots off at 40km/h, Wiggo can ride at 38.5km/h and slowly pull him in.

Pathetic

Well, he can because Nibbles then slows down to 32 km/h to play catchy kissy with whoever has jumped on his wheel.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Watched the Trentino today and Big Maggy was trying to say that when soemone like Nibbles shoots off at 40km/h, Wiggo can ride at 38.5km/h and slowly pull him in.

Pathetic

Wiggo has to accellerate and he's doing it mulitple times. He's not sprinting onto the wheel, but he's got to accellerate. He's changing his tempo and he did it multiple times on Wednesday's final climb. It's not an EPO-fueled slugfest, but boy is it close. It certainly means he's got much more power than any of his rivals.

 

[MartinGT]

Wiggo has to accellerate and he's doing it mulitple times. He's not sprinting onto the wheel, but he's got to accellerate. He's changing his tempo and he did it multiple times on Wednesday's final climb. It's not an EPO-fueled slugfest, but boy is it close. It certainly means he's got much more power than any of his rivals.

Aye exactly. Multiple times he has to change his tempo to bridge gaps on his rivals. Like you say, its not jumping out the saddle to bridge, but its not far off!

 

[biokemguy]

Seems unlikely

What's this with TV signals blocking SRM - and how can we ensure it happens during GTs?

Seems like a bunch of crap to me, but I'm no expert in radio interference.

I can say that power meters work fine on a local climb that has radio/broadcast equipment for the whole Los Angeles basin on top.

Can any engineers here comment on how likely is this interference?

 

[D-Queued]

Not particularly relevant to specific athletes, evidence has surfaced that IGF-1 was used in the peloton 2008. That suggests peptide doping is likely very advanced at this point.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1203730&postcount=41

IGF-1 in particular is not the miracle EPO was, but seems like an incredibly useful drug for recovery with no steroid complications.

You need to get with the program.

McQuaid, Vaughters and now Bruyneel (interesting group of friends) have assured us that we are in a new era. Levi, George et al have admitted their sins while observing that they have been clean since 2006.

You are spreading malicious and unfounded rumors.

Cycling is clean.

Dave.

 

[BYOP88]

Wiggo has to accellerate and he's doing it mulitple times. He's not sprinting onto the wheel, but he's got to accellerate. He's changing his tempo and he did it multiple times on Wednesday's final climb. It's not an EPO-fueled slugfest, but boy is it close. It certainly means he's got much more power than any of his rivals.

His climbing 'style' reminds me of the way Der Kaiser climbed. By this I mean he doesn't seem to be able to go with the quick attacks, but just grinds away, although Wiggins is better at it than Der Kaiser.

 

[doperhopper]

Seems like a bunch of crap to me, but I'm no expert in radio interference.

I can say that power meters work fine on a local climb that has radio/broadcast equipment for the whole Los Angeles basin on top.

Can any engineers here comment on how likely is this interference?

maybe some new form of marginal gain - remotely controlled SRM so that the team car can manipulate a rider to produce better results (something about marginal psychogains was even mentioned in the news a while ago)

 

[armchairclimber]

maybe some new form of marginal gain - remotely controlled SRM so that the team car can manipulate a rider to produce better results (something about marginal psychogains was even mentioned in the news a while ago)

This makes just as much sense as most of the crackpot theories in here.

 

[ferryman]

His climbing 'style' reminds me of the way Der Kaiser climbed. By this I mean he doesn't seem to be able to go with the quick attacks, but just grinds away, although Wiggins is better at it than Der Kaiser.

Interesting comparison. To take it a little further, let's say roughly equal in TTs, who do you think out of the two would have finished 2nd most times to LA?

 

[DirtyWorks]

Seems like a bunch of crap to me, but I'm no expert in radio interference.

I can say that power meters work fine on a local climb that has radio/broadcast equipment for the whole Los Angeles basin on top.

Can any engineers here comment on how likely is this interference?

What is the radio protocol the moto cameras-to-copter->production truck are using. I would assume the signal is quite powerful and spread out because of all the cameras on the road. What frequency are the rider's radios on? Again, those are a little less powerful than the cameras but same idea.

All that near field communication stuff for power meters is kind of fragile anyway. The spectrum might get a bit crowded.

But, I have my doubts seeing how files are posted frequently by other riders in similar environment.

 

[DirtyWorks]

You are spreading malicious and unfounded rumors.

Cycling is clean.

Dave.

Yes Sir!

Cleanest peloton ever. Cleanest peloton ever. Cleanest peloton ever. What year is this? Cleanest peloton ever.

 

[BYOP88]

Interesting comparison. To take it a little further, let's say roughly equal in TTs, who do you think out of the two would have finished 2nd most times to LA?

Hmm that is a damn good question. Early Jan circa 96-97 would beat Wiggins, late era Jan would get crushed by Wiggins.

 

[ferryman]

Hmm that is a damn good question. Early Jan circa 96-97 would beat Wiggins, late era Jan would get crushed by Wiggins.

I'm not so sure. One thing for sure if they went head to head, the broom wagon would also have to be cleaning up the diesel from the road in their wake