Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Ripper]

Oh there's been some crafty post deletion again.

Someone's being tricky

 

[Bexon30]

I'm just curious to know (it's not happened yet!) what might happen should Chris Froome get close to some of the accent times in the Tour of previous doped riders. I mean how could a team or rider defend such fast times produced by someone who was minutes and minutes off the pace previous years?

 

[armchairclimber]

He hasn't...yet....but if/when he does, I doubt they'll be able to defend it.

 

[coinneach]

I agree completely with this.

It also highlights the dilemma of British Cycling being too closely aligned with the corporate filthy lucre. Same problem with USAC (Johnson, Weisel etc) and USPS, same problem with Green EDGE and Australian Cycling (Matt White).

I completely disagree.

I HATE News International: all they've done, and they stand for.....
BUT do you really think they want another scandal on their hands?

British Cycling was the model/template for Sky: clean at its core, and expecting a bit of latitude for any murky issues on the side.

But having won the tour that way, Brailsford found his employers demanding a cleaning out of any murky issues.

Cycling, for NI, has been brilliant; but any lawyer will tell them, its a high risk business.

 

[mikehammer67]

He hasn't...yet....but if/when he does, I doubt they'll be able to defend it.

you underestimate them

look how well they've done up to now smoothing over leinders etc

 

[iZnoGouD]

you're all retards that know nothing about training

 

[Bexon30]

He hasn't...yet....but if/when he does, I doubt they'll be able to defend it.

That's my thoughts as well. But is training talk of accent times also an eye opener as to the current state of things? I'm sure Froome will put one day in where he goes FR and gets close to a record of some sort. And I hope the press push him/his team into a corner for the right reasons. IF he could explain or defend himself then fine, but climbing at or near previous doped performance levels is extremely hard to defend. Skirting or squirming around the issue will only add to an air of guilt.

 

[hrotha]

If that happens, expect to read a lot about tailwind, improved tarmac, better diets and more rational training.

 

[Alex76]

If that happens, expect to read a lot about tailwind, improved tarmac, better diets and more rational training.

duh - if every rider warmed down for 20 mins each day on the rolla's they would be able to do the record rides.

 

[mattghg]

For all the p1ss taking, has Froome actually done any otherworldly times?

 

[Benotti69]

I completely disagree.

I HATE News International: all they've done, and they stand for.....
BUT do you really think they want another scandal on their hands?

British Cycling was the model/template for Sky: clean at its core, and expecting a bit of latitude for any murky issues on the side.

But having won the tour that way, Brailsford found his employers demanding a cleaning out of any murky issues.

Cycling, for NI, has been brilliant; but any lawyer will tell them, its a high risk business.

How do you know it is clean at its core?

That Brailsford has done 'murky' business with Sky means to me that the track side probably is not clean. No one is interested in track compared to road so doesn't get the same attention or scrutiny. Every 4 years the golds come in and no one wants to go against national fervour.

See what happened in Ireland when Michelle Smith won 3 golds and 3 journalists questioned her performances. The media and public were verbally hanging Kimmage and Walsh. Not going to happen in litigous UK.

 

[mikehammer67]

How do you know it is clean at its core?

That Brailsford has done 'murky' business with Sky means to me that the track side probably is not clean. No one is interested in track compared to road so doesn't get the same attention or scrutiny. Every 4 years the golds come in and no one wants to go against national fervour.

See what happened in Ireland when Michelle Smith won 3 golds and a 3 journalists questioned her performances. The media and public were verbally hanging Kimmage and Walsh. Not going to happen in litigous UK.

she even had bill clinton hugging her

it all seems so silly now and it was so obvious

 

[Benotti69]

she even had bill clinton hugging her

it all seems so silly now and it was so obvious

To me is all seems so obvious with Sky!

 

[iZnoGouD]

You guys clearly have no idea about training, cuz if you did you knew that cycling was really way beyond most endurance sports in terms of training, like swimming, rowing

But you guys only know dope, dope and dope.
They perform good, they dope. That's all tough process that goes in your head, if you look at the whole picture you might have noticed that because off all the dope the training didn't advance much, what mattered was having the best dope not training the best way, you guys understimate the edge there was to be gained by improving training

 

[Spectacleur]

It is legitimate to ask questions about the Sky eventhough we do not have answers yet. Some have regretted not having asked any questions about the U.S. Postal.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

You guys clearly have no idea about training, cuz if you did you knew that cycling was really way beyond most endurance sports in terms of training, like swimming, rowing

But you guys only know dope, dope and dope.
They perform good, they dope. That's all tough process that goes in your head, if you look at the whole picture you might have noticed that because off all the dope the training didn't advance much, what mattered was having the best dope not training the best way, you guys understimate the edge there was to be gained by improving training

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

http://www.slipstreamsports.com/garmin-slipstream-staff
In 2003, at only 30 years old, Jonathan decided to step away from a successful, but tough professional cycling career. He was perhaps young to retire, but clearly had maximized his abilities at a somewhat earlier age than most through ground-breaking training techniques, and extreme focus. In his 10 years as a professional cyclist he set the record up Mount Ventoux, and was an integral part of the winning team time trial squad in stage 5 of the 2001 Tour de France. Nonetheless, at 30, he decided to dedicate more time to his growing family, and to the business aspect of the fastest growing sport in the US.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

You guys clearly have no idea about training, cuz if you did you knew that cycling was really way beyond most endurance sports in terms of training, like swimming, rowing

But you guys only know dope, dope and dope.
They perform good, they dope. That's all tough process that goes in your head, if you look at the whole picture you might have noticed that because off all the dope the training didn't advance much, what mattered was having the best dope not training the best way, you guys understimate the edge there was to be gained by improving training

Would be decent if you would publish you source there, is it page 10 or 11 of 'it's not about the bike'?

 

[D-Queued]

You guys clearly have no idea about training, cuz if you did you knew that cycling was really way beyond most endurance sports in terms of training, like swimming, rowing

But you guys only know dope, dope and dope.
They perform good, they dope. That's all tough process that goes in your head, if you look at the whole picture you might have noticed that because off all the dope the training didn't advance much, what mattered was having the best dope not training the best way, you guys underestimate the edge there was to be gained by improving training

Periodization, the most profound change to all-year training, leveraged extensively by multi-GT winners, was developed in rowing.

The only incremental improvements that cycling added to this was periodized doping regimens. There, you are right, Cycling is way ahead.

That Sky made a mockery of periodization last year underscores the strongest argument presented, time and again, in this thread. It is not possible to peak all year long - by definition.

Dave.

 

[mattghg]

Periodization, the most profound change to all-year training, leveraged extensively by multi-GT winners, was developed in rowing.

The only incremental improvements that cycling added to this was periodized doping regimens. There, you are right, Cycling is way ahead.

That Sky made a mockery of periodization last year underscores the strongest argument presented, time and again, in this thread. It is not possible to peak all year long - by definition.

Dave.

To be fair, iZnoGouD never said that cycling was ahead of other sports in terms of training. What iZnoGouD said is that cycling used to be behind other sports (e.g. rowing) in terms of training - which it seems you agree with.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

To be fair, iZnoGouD never said that cycling was ahead of other sports in terms of training. What iZnoGouD said is that cycling used to be behind other sports (e.g. rowing) in terms of training - which it seems you agree with.

That's a very long bow you are drawing to reach this conclusion.

 

[mattghg]

That's a very long bow you are drawing to reach this conclusion.

OK, well hopefully iZnoGouD will come back to clarify what he meant.

 

[Benotti69]

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But you guys only know dope, dope and dope.

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That is why you are here posting, because of the dope, dope and dope.

 

[maltiv]

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

So one individual training right disproves his theory that cyclists were behind in training?

I know a couple of cyclists who rode for big teams and yet were training as if it were 1950...i.e no power meter, barely any structure in the training and very little focus on nutrition. So yes, a lot of cyclist were and still are behind in this area. You'd be amazed at how many cyclists who still control their intensity based on their feeling and the distance is decided by how far away the coffee bar is.

 

[iZnoGouD]

What i meant was cycling was way behind in terms of training and now is catching up with sky, but only sky it seems i don't think any other team has changed much.

 

[iZnoGouD]

So one individual training right disproves his theory that cyclists were behind in training?

I know a couple of cyclists who rode for big teams and yet were training as if it were 1950...i.e no power meter, barely any structure in the training and very little focus on nutrition. So yes, a lot of cyclist were and still are behind in this area. You'd be amazed at how many cyclists who still control their intensity based on their feeling and the distance is decided by how far away the coffee bar is.

This, i know how cannondale and RLT train, it's not as extreme as that obviously they do train with PM and have some structure BUT it's far far from being the best they can do and here sky has a huge edge