Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[zalacain]

Photo of Wiggo in today's Daily Fail

 

[Taxus4a]

And where was SKY this days in TdS and Midi??
Where is his powerfull fuel??


Look at the time today in TDS, Anton was more than one minute faster than today Rui Costa, 3 minutes than himsefl today, thas was not bad...


Pantani did a lot of better...

So, is it cleaner today?? I think so, I cant explain it other way...

 

[Dazed and Confused]

And where was SKY this days in TdS and Midi??
Where is his powerfull fuel??


Look at the time today in TDS, Anton was more than one minute faster than today Rui Costa, 3 minutes than himsefl today, thas was not bad...


Pantani did a lot of better...

So, is it cleaner today?? I think so, I cant explain it other way...

Team Sky is running an A-Team, just like US Postal. Same mo all the way.

 

[Netserk]

The Suisse team:

11 TIERNAN-LOCKE Jonathan
12 DOMBROWSKI Joseph Lloyd
13 EDMONDSON Joshua
14 EISEL Bernhard
15 HAYMAN Mathew
16 RASCH Gabriel
17 ROWE Luke
18 SWIFT Ben

Not exactly surprising that they aren't dominating...

 

[Taxus4a]

The Suisse team:

11 TIERNAN-LOCKE Jonathan
12 DOMBROWSKI Joseph Lloyd
13 EDMONDSON Joshua
14 EISEL Bernhard
15 HAYMAN Mathew
16 RASCH Gabriel
17 ROWE Luke
18 SWIFT Ben

Not exactly surprising that they aren't dominating...

So, it is depends the riders, not the team, isnt it?

Yes, I think as well they have very good riders for a GC, and others no good.
Tiernan Locke did a good year last year in one weak races...

 

[Taxus4a]

Team Sky is running an A-Team, just like US Postal. Same mo all the way.

And Rogers was last year in the A o B Team??

yes, there is a A Team in all the teams, but that is not something of the clinic, that is normal.

In US Postal Manuel Beltran did always very good ITT all the year but some exceptions...who were in the B team??

 

[Dazed and Confused]

And Rogers was last year in the A o B Team??


snipped...

even you can figure that out... well maybe.

 

[hrotha]

In US Postal Manuel Beltran did always very good ITT all the year but some exceptions...who were in the B team??

Those who weren't in the Tour squad.
ie. Not Beltrán.

 

[Taxus4a]

even you can figure that out... well maybe.

If you mean A, I see Rogers as strong this year. Whatever they do in that A team, Saxo do the same or not very different.

It is normal that in a team there were a hierarchie, in an era with doping and the same if there is not doping.

You give the best resources for the best ones, and for the best race, of course, the same in any other aspect of life in a group.

That is going to be like that always, the best riders has the best things for them.

Uran is not in the A team?

Porte, the man who did 7th in his first Giro, with a decent Dolomites, not far of Nibali... really need to be in a A team to be one of the 10 strongerst riders in a Tour? (more if we consider Mollema, Valvede, Samu, Hesjedal, Evans,... with crash or some problems...)

Why SKy love conspiracies that give the best things for people as Froome that the expert or people who know him well yes, consider him a Diamond, but not most of the fans of cycling, he was pretty unknown, and why not to do the same with T.Locke, who if is this year is top ten in Lieje or in TdS now, nodody would go to the clinic...or with Lokwist...the same, he was even better before SKY.

Why they choose for the A team Wiggins and Froome and no others??
they are the best, no doubt for me except uran if the parcours is hard, but they are more difficult to believe for most of the people, Why them? Do SKY like conspiracies in the people? I dont think so.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

If you mean A, I see Rogers as strong this year. Whatever they do in that A team, Saxo do the same or not very different.

It is normal that in a team there were a hierarchie, in an era with doping and the same if there is not doping.

You give the best resources for the best ones, and for the best race, of course, the same in any other aspect of life in a group.

That is going to be like that always, the best riders has the best things for them.

Uran is not in the A team?

Porte, the man who did 7th in his first Giro, with a decent Dolomites, not far of Nibali... really need to be in a A team to be one of the 10 strongerst riders in a Tour? (more if we consider Mollema, Valvede, Samu, Hesjedal, Evans,... with crash or some problems...)

Why SKy love conspiracies that give the best things for people as Froome that the expert or people who know him well yes, consider him a Diamond, but not most of the fans of cycling, he was pretty unknown, and why not to do the same with T.Locke, who if is this year is top ten in Lieje or in TdS now, nodody would go to the clinic...or with Lokwist...the same, he was even better before SKY.

Why they choose for the A team Wiggins and Froome and no others??
they are the best, no doubt for me except uran if the parcours is hard, but they are more difficult to believe for most of the people, Why them? Do SKY like conspiracies in the people? I dont think so.

Uran is a single rider doing very well. He may be doped or not, who know. His performance in the Giro is all his own making. He was not arm chaired to a top spot.

A-Team.

Try again. You can make it.

 

[Taxus4a]

Uran is a single rider doing very well. He may be doped or not, who know. His performance in the Giro is all his own making. He was not arm chaired to a top spot.

A-Team.

Try again. You can make it.

I am probably the man not in relation with cycling in Europe that better Know Uran.
This is mine:

http://rigouran.blogcindario.com/

A-Team?? I have just read about just TdF riders...

But yes, he train in Colombia, in the mountains, in Medellin velodrome, he is by his own...

But why are you so sure about what other people do? you just want to suit your theory, and that is always easy, but nothing demostrated or any evidence even, as happend during lot of years with Lance and US Postal.

You can make it, becouse you have to demostrate, no me.

 

[momomomo]

I hate to do this as I am a big fan of EBH, but according to NRK radio Eddy has been tested as much as 4 times in a week.

To me that implies that his values are suspicious... Agreed?

 

[maxmartin]

I hate to do this as I am a big fan of EBH, but according to NRK radio Eddy has been tested as much as 4 times in a week.

To me that implies that his values are suspicious... Agreed?

tested by who? internal doping control from SKY team like Geert Leinders' standard practice?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rabobank-team-used-blood-analysing-machine-to-mask-doping

 

[momomomo]

tested by who? internal doping control from SKY team like Geert Leinders' standard practice?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rabobank-team-used-blood-analysing-machine-to-mask-doping

The context was actually the Rabobank situation, and I don't think he ment internal testing. But targeted testing is real and to me four times a week is really targeted.

Eddy said that things were much better now than before... You just had to prepare properly. "the legal way" <- his words.

 

[maxmartin]

The context was actually the Rabobank situation, and I don't think he ment internal testing. But targeted testing is real and to me four times a week is really targeted.

Eddy said that things were much better now than before... You just had to prepare properly. "the legal way" <- his words.

What is the purpose for hiring Leider if not for getting a good practice of doping? Remember Rasmussen never get caught and Wiggins and Froom suddenly resemble Rasmussen in a disturbing way.

Coming back to EBH, he is a mystery rider in SKY team for me. He had a terrible spring campaign, but when Tour come around his form is dramatically picking up in recent days. Maybe that is correlated with his blood value change. I am sure SKY can come up with some "froomy" explanation.

 

[Frosty]

I hate to do this as I am a big fan of EBH, but according to NRK radio Eddy has been tested as much as 4 times in a week.

To me that implies that his values are suspicious... Agreed?

Which week? This week, or any week? If you are leading a competition or winning stages then it is possible to end up being tested because of that. Also, sometimes you can be tested by your local ADA and the UCI coincidentally at almost the same time. Doesnt necessarily mean anything.

FWIW Eddy was a 0 on the 2010 doping suspicion list.

 

[martinvickers]

I hate to do this as I am a big fan of EBH, but according to NRK radio Eddy has been tested as much as 4 times in a week.

To me that implies that his values are suspicious... Agreed?

emm...would that not likely be the week of the Tour of Norway? - he was in top three in four stages, and wore sprinters jersey most of the week, and the leaders jersey on the last day.

Is it not normal protocol to test such riders, or did Glava Tour not have testing?

 

[Parrulo]

If you mean A, I see Rogers as strong this year. Whatever they do in that A team, Saxo do the same or not very different.

It is normal that in a team there were a hierarchie, in an era with doping and the same if there is not doping.

You give the best resources for the best ones, and for the best race, of course, the same in any other aspect of life in a group.

That is going to be like that always, the best riders has the best things for them.

Uran is not in the A team?

Porte, the man who did 7th in his first Giro, with a decent Dolomites, not far of Nibali... really need to be in a A team to be one of the 10 strongerst riders in a Tour? (more if we consider Mollema, Valvede, Samu, Hesjedal, Evans,... with crash or some problems...)

Why SKy love conspiracies that give the best things for people as Froome that the expert or people who know him well yes, consider him a Diamond, but not most of the fans of cycling, he was pretty unknown, and why not to do the same with T.Locke, who if is this year is top ten in Lieje or in TdS now, nodody would go to the clinic...or with Lokwist...the same, he was even better before SKY.

Why they choose for the A team Wiggins and Froome and no others??
they are the best, no doubt for me except uran if the parcours is hard, but they are more difficult to believe for most of the people, Why them? Do SKY like conspiracies in the people? I dont think so.

Oh please do tell me how Porte's performance in the dolomites on that giro was "not far" from Nibali's.

 

[ToreBear]

The context was actually the Rabobank situation, and I don't think he ment internal testing. But targeted testing is real and to me four times a week is really targeted.

Eddy said that things were much better now than before... You just had to prepare properly. "the legal way" <- his words.

There is too much information missing, to get much idea of what you are talking about.


Are we talking in competition testing or out of competition testing. Are we talking blood tests for the passport, or blood tests for doping, or are we talking urine tests for doping.

Scenarios.
1. They are talking about in competition testing. He could be tested that amount at Dauphine or Glava Tour of Norway.

2. It was an example, from long ago.

3. It was in the period since the Dauphine.

3a.

Since it's the big 100 TDF perhaps ASO splurged on the precomp(out of comp) testing. And if you wanted to be sure that the winner and team who won the competition were clean, who would you test a lot. Sky of course.

As for 4 times in a week. This is also a good strategy. If Riders think that once they are tested, they won't be tested in a week, the dirty ones might take that as a license to dope. So what do you do, you show up the next day, and perhaps the next day. You make sure that they feel they can get tested at anytime, even the day after a previous test.

Sensible strategy.

3b. EBH has had fluctuations they find suspicious and are testing a lot to make sure.

3c. AD Norway wants to make absolutely sure that no Norwegian cyclist going to the tour, are doping.


Of the alternatives I find 3a to be the most sensible scenario.

But with so little information provided, we have no idea what they are talking about. If you have a link to the radio program, or web or anything, please post it.

 

[Ferminal]

If we're being strict there wasn't even a Dolomites stage? Kronplatz?

 

[ToreBear]

What is the purpose for hiring Leider if not for getting a good practice of doping? Remember Rasmussen never get caught and Wiggins and Froom suddenly resemble Rasmussen in a disturbing way.

Coming back to EBH, he is a mystery rider in SKY team for me. He had a terrible spring campaign, but when Tour come around his form is dramatically picking up in recent days. Maybe that is correlated with his blood value change. I am sure SKY can come up with some "froomy" explanation.

He seems to be like that every year from what i remember Maltiv has said, he seems to reach form around May each year.

If you think about it, it's not strange for a Norwegian cyclist to have such a pattern. It's not easy to cycle trough the snow, and with with a big difference between winter and summer, there might be unknown physiological factors at play evolved over a few thousand years.

emm...would that not likely be the week of the Tour of Norway? - he was in top three in four stages, and wore sprinters jersey most of the week, and the leaders jersey on the last day.

Is it not normal protocol to test such riders, or did Glava Tour not have testing?

I saw UCI chaperons hovering over the stage winners at each stage when the cameras were on them, so yes they had testing. I doubt the organizers would be stingy in this regard. Catching dopers is too enjoyable for such an opportunity to be ignored.

 

[Eshnar]

If we're being strict there wasn't even a Dolomites stage? Kronplatz?

yes Kronplatz is a Dolomite. That was the only one that year

 

[Catwhoorg]

4 times in a week In competition is not unusual for a race leader, heck its expected.

4 times in a week OOC would be unusual for sure.

I recall a recent tweet from someone (and ******ed if I can recall who) talking about two controls in the same day, actually the same time. One national anti-doping organization and one for the sports governing body.

Not sure if one was blood and one urine, or both the same type of test.


Given how horrid twitter is for searching I really need to get into the habit of saving direct links to some of these odd cases.


Unusual for sure, indeed two at one time, this is the first I have heard of.

 

[keithmcmahon]

4 times in a week In competition is not unusual for a race leader, heck its expected.

4 times in a week OOC would be unusual for sure.

I recall a recent tweet from someone (and ******ed if I can recall who) talking about two controls in the same day, actually the same time. One national anti-doping organization and one for the sports governing body.

Not sure if one was blood and one urine, or both the same type of test.


Given how horrid twitter is for searching I really need to get into the habit of saving direct links to some of these odd cases.


Unusual for sure, indeed two at one time, this is the first I have heard of.

Taylor Phinney

 

[Catwhoorg]

Taylor Phinney

Thank you!

https://twitter.com/taylorphinney/status/344530170679541761

Thats the link.