Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[sniper]

You gotta stop obsessing over JV in every thread, its getting pathetic.

ball not man sceptic.
i'll mention jv, brailsford, walsh and millar in one breath when i talk of clean cycling hypocricy. you don't have to agree. if you're a garmin fan, that's fine, i'm not.

I havent seen JV shouting from the rooftops lately about how clean he tinks sky are.

when wiggans was sky's ueberperformer, jv was first in line to call sky clean every chance he got. Check the JV thread in case you've forgotten. He went to quite some length to convince Walsh and others of Sky's cleanlihood. That's not sitting on the fence.

yes he's been silent on Sky since the tour, but is that praiseworthy?
Meanwhile he's become rather close with Cookson and USADA, the ones who should be policing garmin. And Walsh still uses JV as a central reference to back up SKy/Wiggins cleanliness.

 

[Benotti69]

My friend, I have said Renault/Elf/Gitane were "impressive", it is the arguments
of DirtyWorks, Benotti69, and FearlessGregLemond that have belittled their
palmares. I have cast no stone of doubt at their accomplishments in my
comment that you quoted, where as the posts of DirtyWorks, Benotti69
and FearlessGregLemond have. I think your argument is with them, my
friend, and not me.

Hinault and Fignon's doping belittled their palmares. That you dont shows your thoughts on doping and cheating.

 

[Netserk]

ball not man sceptic.
i'll mention jv, brailsford, walsh and millar in one breath when i talk of clean cycling hypocricy. you don't have to agree. if you're a garmin fan, that's fine, i'm not.

when wiggans was sky's ueberperformer, jv was first in line to call sky clean every chance he got. Check the JV thread in case you've forgotten. He went to quite some length to convince Walsh and others of Sky's cleanlihood. That's not sitting on the fence.

No reason to be so defensive about it, sniper.

JV hasn't talked about Sky being clean ever(?) or at least not for ages.

Just let it go, and talk JV in the JV thread.

 

[Benotti69]

No reason to be so defensive about it, sniper.

JV hasn't talked about Sky being clean ever(?) or at least not for ages.

Just let it go, and talk JV in the JV thread.

Not to make it a JV thread, but JV has given Sky his clean blessing and told Walsh he thought they were clean and Walsh has used that as evidence when asked at the Whistleblower talk i attended.

 

[sniper]

JV hasn't talked about Sky being clean ever(?) or at least not for ages.

you gotta be kidding me, netserk.

Just let it go, and talk JV in the JV thread.

i mentioned him as one of several who have stuck up for Sky in public plenty of times.
i wasn;t singling him out.
sceptic was. now you are.
who's obsessed here?

 

[The Hitch]

if you're a garmin fan, that's fine, i'm not.

Thats a bit of a strawman.

 

[sniper]

Thats a bit of a strawman.

so is calling me (pathetically) obsessed with jv.
i wasn't singling out jv, was i?
i was mentioning him in one breath with others who have repeatedly vouched for sky's cleanliness.
why sceptic and netserk subsequently singled out jv i don't know.
my initial post was that jv, millar and walsh have been at the forefront in terms of reassuring sky's cleanliness. I think that's a afair assessment.

btw, I've been here saying i appreciated JV's more agnostic stance on Sky recently (judging from his "i don't know" tweet and general silence on sky). But when i say something positive about jv that somehow goes unnoticed.
I've also praised him for his critique of Verbruggen/Phat and support for Cookson.
Though now with Cookson i'm not so sure anymore.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

You've got a posh voice, I like posh voices...

Congrats! You just won the internet!

Well played, sir...

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Dan Frost from Saxo joining team Sky:
http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17546_9066474,00.html

Anyone know anything about him?

Late 80s track domination?

Pretty sure that's obvious...

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

And Millar is so easily discredited, he wouldn't survive 2 seconds in an argument with someone who knows what they are talking about.

Its all well and good giving monologues about how he wants to be UCI President on the bbc, or writing on twitter that no one can appreciate how hard Sky train, he has seen them, if he ever gets into a room with someone who knows anything about doping here is what will happen.

person x: David, you say you know Sky are "100% clean". do you remember when you said you knew Alberto Contador was clean even after he tested positive



DM: ummmm...

Person x: and do you remember when you defended Piepoli as clean

DM: well...

Person x: and do you remember what you said when Floyd Landis spoke out about Lance?

DM: I encourgaed it

Person X: No


Yeah, im not going to take your word for it David. Learn from your mistakes.

Regarding Sky et al, this may be one of the most important posts in this thread.

Institutionalized Omerta?

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Sky, before people even got used to seeing the jersey, already has 2 tdf winners who won in the 2 most dominant fashions since the tour had single speed bikes, both of whom had been absolute nobodies before, had not worked their way up to contention status, and just happened to come from the teams target country (rabo even by trying Levi, menchov, chicken did not succeed).

Sky simply jumped over, rather than slowly walked through, the rest of the world of cycling, leaving the rest of cycling almost unaffected, and itself and it's own target country, almost like an independent sport with it's own races (tdf contested just between sky riders) own media stories, own ways for measuring greatness in the sport, own ways of assessing the sport.

Great post. How people don't see it this way is beyond me...

 

[zlev11]

yeah. i mean, the sport was completely different in 2011. then wiggins has his ridiculous 2012 and froome has an even more ridiculous 2013.

talk to anyone in 2011 and tell them that this is going to happen in 2 years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwzfWal4kE4

and that is only like the 12th most ridiculous thing they've done!

i watched some of the la toussuire stage of the 2012 tour the other day. evans/tjvg do their attack on the croix de fer...a minute later the yellow jersey group is 4 sky riders, nibali, VDB, and pinot. i had forgotten how absolutely hilarious it was. it really does have a gewiss at the '94 fleche feel to it.

 

[bobbins]

Look at Wiggins 2009, 2010, 2011/12.

What might have happened between the years.

Add into this the fact that Dave B 'hates losing', the fact that Sky weren't happy with 2010 and that they were told that the majority of riders finishing above Wiggins in 2012 were dubious.

The dots don't need much joining.

Digger is on the money, a bit fanatical at times but between the outbursts speaks a load more truth than is being credited for.

 

[roundabout]

Wiggins won a pretty difficult Dauphine with 4 MTFs and 1 very hilly TT.

Then he podiumed the Vuelta after a broken collarbone.

Signs were there in 2011.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Wiggo would have been on the TDF podium in 2011 but for the crash.
I think he would have beaten Evans by a whisker, but he would have been on the podium for sure.

 

[Ferminal]

Would have lost it on Manse.

 

[The Hitch]

Wiggo would have been on the TDF podium in 2011 but for the crash.
I think he would have beaten Evans by a whisker, but he would have been on the podium for sure.

Hang on, earlier you said Wiggins only won the 2012 tdf because he had a once in a lifetime opportunity to beat a weak field with the tt heavy course.

Now you are saying he would have beaten Andy Schleck on a mountain heavy course.

Which is it?

 

[thehog]

Appears most are now skipping the Dawg show.

Probably a smart move.

No JRod. No Quintana. Froome should have it wrapped up by stage 2.

Viatcheslav Ekimov does not want Katusha's team captain Joaquim Rodríguez to ride the Tour de France next season, but the Spaniard will have his opportunities to shine in the Italian and Spanish Grand Tours. "The course does not suit Purito. The route in the north of France is the same as Paris-Roubaix and it's not suitable for him." Rodríguez will focus instead on the Giro d'Italia and the Vuelta a España. "We will aim for the overall classification in those races," Ekimov told R-sport.

 

[the sceptic]

Brailsford should get to work on which stages his riders are gonna have fake bad days now, otherwise they might risk getting 4 in the top 5.

 

[thehog]

Brailsford should get to work on which stages his riders are gonna have fake bad days now, otherwise they might risk getting 4 in the top 5.

Could just field the entire peloton? Sky riders from 1 - 200.

 

[ebandit]

clean

Could just field the entire peloton? Sky riders from 1 - 200.

1st clean peloton for years?

Mark L

 

[oldcrank]

Congrats! You just won the internet!
Well played, sir...

Happy to inject a little levity whenever I can, my friend.

 

[Franklin]

I disliked him in the past because he (and many other Spanish sport's performances) were insulting my intelligence. His contaminated meat story was also insulting to my intelligence.

Amusingly, this is one I actually don't know if he was wrong

I'm very sure he transfuses etc., but the Clen could indeed be from meat as that's rather plausible (clen contamination is very common). Added is that Clen is a very odd choice, even in the off-season/tap-season. So it's either supplements (his own responsibility, so deserved ban) or meat.

In the end I personally think it was a case of finally finding something to punish him. Can't say I like a system that works like that, but it happened.

 

[thehog]

Happy to inject a little levity whenever I can, my friend.

I knew it!

 

[Benotti69]

Sky are inviting UCI scientists to embed with them for 2014.

@owenslot
Team Sky invite UCI anti-doping scientists to spend a season embedded in the team.

Obviously Walsh's embed not achieving the levels of appeasement in the online world that they hoped the bane of Armstrong would bring.

Good that fans are not swallowing the BS message of clean winners in the sport.

The massively rich Sky team and their PR machine, not to mention the amount of favourable media coverage due Murdoch failing big time!!!