Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Franklin]

Layers within layers! Jens was ranting about Murdoch!

And yes, I am absolutely convinced that's just a coincidence, but befitting some of our more paranoid theories.

 

[Franklin]

More on subject: An interesting initiative from Sky, if a tad impractical as currently the UCI can't cover every team.

Also, who is going to pick up the tab?

 

[Benotti69]

More on subject: An interesting initiative from Sky, if a tad impractical as currently the UCI can't cover every team.

Also, who is going to pick up the tab?

It is not going to happen.

Sky are asking Cookson will be asked to police his own national squad both on track and WT!

Will other teams who have experienced the corruption of UCI be happy that UCI anti doping scientists go in and give Sky a big thumbs up? I can really see OPQS, Trek, Movistar and others being very happy about this

Remember UCI arranged for Buyneel and Armstrong meet to head of Luasanne lab and get an education. Who is to say the anti doping scientists from UCI will not impart more knowledge than they gain.

 

[Franklin]

It is not going to happen.

Sky are asking Cookson will be asked to police his own national squad both on track and WT!

Will other teams who have experienced the corruption of UCI be happy that UCI anti doping scientists go in and give Sky a big thumbs up? I can really see OPQS, Trek, Movistar and others being very happy about this

Remember UCI arranged for Buyneel and Armstrong meet to head of Luasanne lab and get an education. Who is to say the anti doping scientists from UCI will not impart more knowledge than they gain.

Benotti, all fine and good, but there comes a moment where scepticism becomes unworkable. This ranks in the category "what can Sky do that would get apporval here". Also, I definitely reject the idea that everyone involved with the UCI is corrupt.

 

[Morbius]

Sky are asking Cookson will be asked to police his own national squad both on track and WT!

Slightly OT, but I hope the UCI under Cookson will stop being the personal fiefdom of whoever is the head. We need more transparency and separation of roles.

On this one, I hope someone will come up a mechanism to get someone with expertise and independence embedded. Maybe someone like Assendon reviewing all the test results each day.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Maybe they're hoping Vrijman's not too busy.

UCI "independent" investigations can get oh so complicated...

 

[thehog]

Sky are inviting UCI scientists to embed with them for 2014.




Obviously Walsh's embed not achieving the levels of appeasement in the online world that they hoped the bane of Armstrong would bring.

Good that fans are not swallowing the BS message of clean winners in the sport.

The massively rich Sky team and their PR machine, not to mention the amount of favourable media coverage due Murdoch failing big time!!!

Of course the UCI can't do this. Unless they do so for all teams.

But then Sky will say "what more can we do"?

It's just become such a mess and is embarrassing.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Remember UCI arranged for Buyneel and Armstrong meet to head of Luasanne lab and get an education. Who is to say the anti doping scientists from UCI will not impart more knowledge than they gain.

That's Saugy and his team still runs the APMU. Saugy did some very clever things for Hein previously so riders like Armstrong never tested positive.

Will be interested to hear if Saugy gets a ticket to Manchester for meetings. Because, you know that's entirely appropriate.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Slightly OT, but I hope the UCI under Cookson will stop being the personal fiefdom of whoever is the head. We need more transparency and separation of roles.

On this one, I hope someone will come up a mechanism to get someone with expertise and independence embedded. Maybe someone like Assendon reviewing all the test results each day.

Not a chance. The UCI reports to no one, will not ever report to anyone, and likes their worldwide monopoly on bike racing exactly the way it is. There is too much money being made under the table.

 

[Benotti69]

any Sky aficionados want to explain Rogers having his best season on Sky and allegedly clean!

 

[ebandit]

gains

any Sky aficionados want to explain Rogers having his best season on Sky and allegedly clean!

marginal gains...british work ethic...best mechanics.......own chefs...best bus
....luxury mattresses..............swimming....warming up /down........own brand
energy drinks............hard training on mount doom get the best out of a rider

you're welcome!

Mark L

 

[Benotti69]

marginal gains...british work ethic...best mechanics.......own chefs...best bus
....luxury mattresses..............swimming....warming up /down........own brand
energy drinks............get the best out of a rider

you're welcome!

Mark L

Is that you coming out as a fully fledged Sky aficionado?

 

[ebandit]

'tis xmas

Is that you coming out as a fully fledged Sky aficionado?

'tis xmas I'm hoping for a dogma in the post

Mark L

 

[Benotti69]

'tis xmas I'm hoping for a dogma in the post

Mark L

Wonder will David Walsh be putting his on ebay

 

[coinneach]

I can see News International pulling out of cycling now: too many risks

For cycling in Britain, that'll probably be a bad thing
For cycling overall, I'm not sure
For entertainment, it'll be good
(so long as more sponsors don't follow the example)

 

[Benotti69]

I can see News International pulling out of cycling now: too many risks

For cycling in Britain, that'll probably be a bad thing
For cycling overall, I'm not sure
For entertainment, it'll be good
(so long as more sponsors don't follow the example)

Depends whether they view bad publicity as a bad thing.

 

[the sceptic]

I guess the evidence first posters will now say that Rogers was doping before he joined sky, became clean and had his best year, and then he started doping again after he left sky. Makes perfect sense of course.

 

[MartinGT]

Where is vickers anyways?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Look. Before you all jump in and accuse Mick Rogers of doping at Team Sky, consider this: it's not as if Clenbuterol would allow Mick to "be the lightest he's been since he was 16" (SBS interview) whilst simultaneously "hitting the best power numbers he's seen" (Ride magazine) in 2012, now, is it?

Is it?

 

[sittingbison]

I guess the evidence first posters will now say that Rogers was doping before he joined sky, became clean and had his best year, and then he started doping again after he left sky. Makes perfect sense of course.

you would guess right:

I don't doubt that Rogers was doping at T-mobile, and he may have been doping with Clen now, but this could be a food contamination case which is pretty dumb on his part though.

 

[SundayRider]

Tweet from Richard Keys - British sports broadcaster/journalist.

Richard Keys‏@richardajkeys9m
Tiernan-Locke. Now Michael Rogers. And the trail seems to lead in only one direction......!

 

[MartinGT]

Tweet from Richard Keys - British sports broadcaster/journalist.

Richard Keys‏@richardajkeys9m
Tiernan-Locke. Now Michael Rogers. And the trail seems to lead in only one direction......!

Now I can't stand Keys, but he's gone up in my estimation lol

 

[El Imbatido]

Tweet from Richard Keys - British sports broadcaster/journalist.

Richard Keys‏@richardajkeys9m
Tiernan-Locke. Now Michael Rogers. And the trail seems to lead in only one direction......!

Yes..... one direction

Apologies...it had to be done

 

[MatParker117]

I can see News International pulling out of cycling now: too many risks

For cycling in Britain, that'll probably be a bad thing
For cycling overall, I'm not sure
For entertainment, it'll be good
(so long as more sponsors don't follow the example)

News International has no relationship with Team Sky and I doubt Jeremy Darroch and James Murdoch (BSkyB's Chief Exec and Chairman) are naive to cycling's history.

 

[B_Ugli]

News International has no relationship with Team Sky

I find that really hard to believe.