Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[MatParker117]

I find that really hard to believe.

The team's owned by BskyB, Sky Italia & 21st Century Fox.

 

[gooner]

Tweet from Richard Keys - British sports broadcaster/journalist.

Richard Keys‏@richardajkeys9m
Tiernan-Locke. Now Michael Rogers. And the trail seems to lead in only one direction......!

Take Keys with a pinch of salt and anything he says about Sky. At the start of the football season he was criticising Sky's new approach to their coverage of the football season and said their coverage on Al Jazzerra with Andy Gray was the way to go. He was trying to take the credit for Gary Neville's success as a pundit.

Total agenda with bitterness at them.

 

[Ferminal]

I find that really hard to believe.

lol... semantics really. News International no longer exists if he wants to get that picky. Fox (inc. BSkyB/Italia) was spun off from News Corp which continues to hold its newspaper assets - News Corp AU (formerly News Ltd.) / UK (formerly News Int.), WSJ etc.

But the same guy is still at the head of all of them...

 

[Franklin]

you would guess right:

I'm not seeing how you connect those posts. Del says nothing about MR being clean now.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

lol... semantics really. News International no longer exists if he wants to get that picky. Fox (inc. BSkyB/Italia) was spun off from News Corp which continues to hold its newspaper assets - News Corp AU (formerly News Ltd.) / UK (formerly News Int.), WSJ etc.

But the same guy is still at the head of all of them...

Office of the Chairman.....

 

[B_Ugli]

lol... semantics really. News International no longer exists if he wants to get that picky. Fox (inc. BSkyB/Italia) was spun off from News Corp which continues to hold its newspaper assets - News Corp AU (formerly News Ltd.) / UK (formerly News Int.), WSJ etc.

But the same guy is still at the head of all of them...

Which is precisely what I am getting at! It is completely impossible for any media outlet within the Murdoch empire to report with impartiality or objectivity on any matter relating to Sky Pro-Cycling or any subsidiary company falling within its group.

I don't get why people think that because they are separate entities within the same group this wouldn't happen.

What I think is more concerning is that given what we know has gone on within Murdoch owned companies recently and his links to those in positions of power, why there shouldn't be concern surrounding Team Sky.

 

[Benotti69]

Take Keys with a pinch of salt and anything he says about Sky. At the start of the football season he was criticising Sky's new approach to their coverage of the football season and said their coverage on Al Jazzerra with Andy Gray was the way to go. He was trying to take the credit for Gary Neville's success as a pundit.

Total agenda with bitterness at them.

Again i repeat this is the type of ****e Armstrong were coming out with against Landis, Emma O'Reilly, Betsy etc...take it with a pinch of salt cos they have axes to grind.

Keys might have an axe to grind but that doesn't mean what he said is wrong.

 

[Catwhoorg]

There is nothing more tempting to a the non-Murdoch portion of the British media than to stick it to Murdoch.

If there is evidence out there that someone has been waiting for the right moment to break, it seems likely that there will be a snowballing of the current stories (JTL and Rogers).

 

[gooner]

Again i repeat this is the type of ****e Armstrong were coming out with against Landis, Emma O'Reilly, Betsy etc...take it with a pinch of salt cos they have axes to grind.

Keys might have an axe to grind but that doesn't mean what he said is wrong.

What detail has Keys come out in similar fashion to what Floyd, Emma and Betsy?

JTL's sample wasn't when he was at Sky. Rogers could easily be a contamination one this time, we have to see the level of clen first to draw more definitive conclusions.

Nevertheless, even if it's contamination, I hope Ferrari/Freiberg boy still gets his 2 year hiatus. His comeuppance is overdue.

 

[thehog]

What detail has Keys come out in similar fashion to what Floyd, Emma and Betsy?

JTL's sample wasn't when he was at Sky. Rogers could easily be a contamination one this time, we have to see the level of clen first to draw more definitive conclusions.

Nevertheless, even if it's contamination, I hope Ferrari/Freiberg boy still gets his 2 year hiatus. His comeuppance is overdue.

JTl's sample?

You mean samples. And whom was he with if not Sky?

 

[Benotti69]

What detail has Keys come out in similar fashion to what Floyd, Emma and Betsy?

JTL's sample wasn't when he was at Sky. Rogers could easily be a contamination one this time, we have to see the level of clen first to draw more definitive conclusions.

Nevertheless, even if it's contamination, I hope Ferrari/Freiberg boy still gets his 2 year hiatus. His comeuppance is overdue.

Keys tweeted an opinion as being slaughtered as a bitter ex employee. There is substance to the opinion. Rogers strongly suspected of being involved in doping prior to Sky and now tests positive for a banned substance. That his best ever year was at Sky smells.

The level of Clen wont prove anything.

Endura has claimed that JTL spent most of 2012 under Sky's watch.

The dots are multiplying. Leinders, JTL, Rogers..........

 

[thehog]

Keys tweeted an opinion as being slaughtered as a bitter ex employee. There is substance to the opinion. Rogers strongly suspected of being involved in doping prior to Sky and now tests positive for a banned substance. That his best ever year was at Sky smells.

The level of Clen wont prove anything.

Endura has claimed that JTL spent most of 2012 under Sky's watch.

The dots are multiplying. Leinders, JTL, Rogers..........

Endura handed JTL over in September. He was BC and Sky for that period all for but his uniform.

Physical location and whom you were with will determine where the finger needs to be pointed.

Levi, Hamilton and co. were all doping in Girona warning each other with text messages on different teams.

The one commonality in all of this Sky.

 

[The Hitch]

There is nothing more tempting to a the non-Murdoch portion of the British media than to stick it to Murdoch.

If there is evidence out there that someone has been waiting for the right moment to break, it seems likely that there will be a snowballing of the current stories (JTL and Rogers).

That's a very simple conclusion that ignores the fact that all of the non Murdoch media loves a British success story just as much as Murdoch.

 

[Catwhoorg]

That's a very simple conclusion that ignores the fact that all of the non Murdoch media loves a British success story just as much as Murdoch.

That is true.

But they will not hesitate to pile on when the situation changes.
Has it changed ? too early to tell right now

 

[gooner]

Keys tweeted an opinion as being slaughtered as a bitter ex employee.

Read Keys's interview a few months ago where he got widely criticised for his comments. He's rightly slaughtered as a bitter so and so.

Keys, clearly, is still unhappy with the "outrageous" way his time at Sky ended. "If there is anybody walking the planet now who hasn't put all the pieces together, I'd be very surprised," Keys says. "I said at the time, there were some fairly dark forces operating against whatever I tried to do."

Describing the public reaction at the time as a "furore", Keys is no fan of aspects of the British media. "They say we have a free press in the UK. I'm not sure that we do. We have a press owned by too few, that can manipulate public opinion any which way they like."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...gher-will-wear-off-and-then-what-8827984.html

I bet he doesn't know the slightest about food contamination in China or about JTL and his performance in Haut Var and Mediterranean and the l'Equipe article afterwards.

He's an egotistical idiot who just can't accept that Sky have moved on with Ed Chamberlain and Dave Jones as better presenters. It's anything to get his pot shots in.

 

[thehog]

Read Keys's interview a few months ago where he got widely criticised for his comments. He's rightly slaughtered as a bitter so and so.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...gher-will-wear-off-and-then-what-8827984.html

I bet he doesn't know the slightest about food contamination in China or about JTL and his performance in Haut Var and Mediterranean and the l'Equipe article afterwards.

He's an egotistical idiot who just can't accept that Sky have moved on with Ed Chamberlain and Dave Jones as better presenters. It's anything to get his pot shots in.

Keys presented the Tour de France for years on Channel 4. He actually remembers when the sport was clean and o2vec drugs didn't exist.

He's not as stupid as you might pretend.

 

[gooner]

Keys presented the Tour de France for years on Channel 4. He actually remembers when the sport was clean and o2vec drugs didn't exist.

He's not as stupid as you might pretend.

I do know he presented the Tour. Does that he mean he knows the ins and outs of the sport 12 months a year? It means nothing. He presented Indycar coverage when Mansell was there, does that mean he's an expert on that?

Tell me what other doping related cases he has has stuck his head on the line on down the years?

He never opened his mouth during the years with Lance. I wonder what makes him talk now.

 

[thehog]

I do know he presented the Tour. Does that he mean he knows the ins and outs of the sport 12 months a year? It means nothing. He presented Indycar coverage when Mansell was there, does that mean he's an expert on that?

Tell me what other doping related cases he has has stuck his head on the line on down the years?

He never opened his mouth during the years with Lance. I wonder what makes him talk now.

He was very active on Twitter discussing will Cav go to Sky / Will he leave.

Keys was the Tour De France in Britain through the 80's. He'd sit on an old beaten up Peugeot and conduct interviews. He's the man.

Probably knows more than Brailsford about road cycling.

Keys had seen more Tours than newbie July- Skyfan who thinks Sky are cleans because Brailsford said so.

Call Keys a sexist if you like because he is. But he knows his cycling and how the media works inside the sport.

 

[gooner]

He was very active on Twitter discussing will Cav go to Sky / Will he leave.

Keys was the Tour De France in Britain through the 80's. He'd sit on an old beaten up Peugeot and conduct interviews. He's the man.

Probably knows more than Brailsford about road cycling.

Keys had seen more Tours than newbie July- Skyfan who thinks Sky are cleans because Brailsford said so.

Call Keys a sexist if you like because he is. But he knows his cycling and how the media works inside the sport.

That's not what I asked. I know he has presented on the Tour but he has done a variety of other events. It doesn't mean he knows the whole ins and outs and the sport 12 months a year. Ed Chamberlain who does the Super Sundays now is far more knowlegeable on modern day cycling than Keys. He actually watches all the races throughout the year. Keys just seen an open goal and went for it.

To the point I was making, what other doping cases has he stuck his head on the line with? Why didn't he comment on Armstrong down the years? This hasn't been answered. A lot has happened since the 80s. It's telling it's now he does it.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I bet he doesn't know the slightest about food contamination in China..

This is not a valid excuse for Rogers alone.

If numerous riders were positive in the same time frame, having all raced in China, Rogers included, then there's a great deal of confidence in blaming it on meat sources (chicken, beef) in China.

But, we aren't seeing that.

I'd also add the mysterious anti-doping ways of the UCI would leap at the chance to abandon a bunch of clen positives. It would be a PR gold mine as long as China the nation is treated kindly.

 

[DirtyWorks]

A lot has happened since the 80s. It's telling it's now he does it.

To this, I would argue anyone that got to watch grand tours up close in the 1980's should be an authority on oxygen vector doped performances.

He would have years of observing how fatigued the third week of racing is just to name one factor. They would have a long list of other super-human attributes that oxygen vector/recovery doping has given riders.

 

[gooner]

This is not a valid excuse for Rogers alone.

If numerous riders were positive in the same time frame, having all raced in China, Rogers included, then there's a great deal of confidence in blaming it on meat sources (chicken, beef) in China.

But, we aren't seeing that.

I'd also add the mysterious anti-doping ways of the UCI would leap at the chance to abandon a bunch of clen positives. It would be a PR gold mine as long as China the nation is treated kindly.

Agree with the above.

Don't think Keys knows or cares about the full facts of this. This was just an opportunity to get his cheap shot in. He's far from an expert on the sport. He presented it in the 80s but he has done boxing and many other sports as well. He's no expert either on boxing or motorsport, I can assure you. It's hypocritical to criticise football presenters like Ned Boulting and James Richardson moving over and then say Keys's comments carry weight when he has never opened his trap sticking his head on the line for other doping related cases. This was nice timing on his part and I bet his eyes lit up at the opportunity.

 

[thehog]

That's not what I asked. I know he has presented on the Tour but he has done a variety of other events. It doesn't mean he knows the whole ins and outs and the sport 12 months a year. Ed Chamberlain who does the Super Sundays now is far more knowlegeable on modern day cycling than Keys. He actually watches all the races throughout the year. Keys just seen an open goal and went for it.

To the point I was making, what other doping cases has he stuck his head on the line with? Why didn't he comment on Armstrong down the years? This hasn't been answered. A lot has happened since the 80s. It's telling it's now he does it.

He did comment on Armstrong. But over the years nobody commented on Armstrong.

Did anyone at Sky comment on Armstrong until he finally went down?

 

[gooner]

He did comment on Armstrong. But over the years nobody commented on Armstrong.

Did anyone at Sky comment on Armstrong until he finally went down?

Come on hog, 2013 is not what I'm on about after he was exposed. I'm on about during his 7 Tour wins. Did he say anything about Contador's win in 07 or anything in the 90s? I mean at the time of all this, just like he has done now with Rogers and JTL. Why Sky now and not Armstrong when there was more on him?

I'm not disagreeing too strongly with what you have to say on Rogers and JTL(you may well be right), I do have a disagreement with your position regarding Keys's motives. Everyone knows he's a bitter so and so, his Independent interview showed this. Don't think he cares about all this for one minute.

 

[The Hitch]

He did comment on Armstrong. But over the years nobody commented on Armstrong.

Did anyone at Sky comment on Armstrong until he finally went down?

They did. Quite a lot actually. Especially Wiggins

I also remember g Thomas having a YouTube interview with lance calling him an absolute legend, and complaining in 2012 that usada should just leave lance alone.