Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Dr. Maserati]

Who knows what Quintana's potential is? Who knows what Froome would have done at a similar age with a similar background?

I don't know enough to comment on the Oman wattages.

Quintana won Tour de l'Avenir in 2010, thats suggest he is an excellent talent.
And he has delivered on that potential. Nothing spectacular.

 

[EnacheV]

Quintana won Tour de l'Avenir in 2010, thats suggest he is an excellent talent.
And he has delivered on that potential. Nothing spectacular.

Like froome winning those small races in his first year as pro in Europe ?

P.S. pls spare me of how big Tour de l'Avenir is.

 

[MatParker117]

As we are talking about riders who went on to win the Tour, I would argue that a 34th place finish in the Giro was far more relevant than winning gold medals on the track. Wiggins had never even made the top 120 in a Grand Tour before 2009.

He also has a better u23 record than several multiple grand tour winners.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Like froome winning those small races in his first year as pro in Europe ?

P.S. pls spare me of how big Tour de l'Avenir is.

Quintana won overall - yes, of a very big race.
Froome won a stage, 2nd in another.

 

[Granville57]

I can remember hearing the result of the Vuelta TT in 2011 - when he beat Wiggins. Thinking Froome who? And trying to rack my brains to try and remember if I had ever heard of him!

This was pointed out by someone else some time ago, but for a really good laugh, step into this time machine and start reading at Page 48. Hilarious.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=15086&page=48

Just read for a few pages. This was the real-time reaction to the forum's first good look at the NEW Chris Froome, in the 2011 Vuelta ITT.

Classic.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

This was pointed out by someone else some time ago, but for a really good laugh, step into this time machine and start reading at Page 48. Hilarious.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=15086&page=48

Just read for a few pages. This was the real-time reaction to the forum's first good look at the NEW Chris Froome, in the 2011 Vuelta ITT.

Classic.

I remember quite vividly stating that if Team Sky had any common sense Froome would be nowhere near the top of the leaderboard so he could preserve energy to help Wiggins in week 2, because I assumed he was peaking for early-mid race and that Löfkvist would take over as chief mountain domestique once we got into the final week.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

This was pointed out by someone else some time ago, but for a really good laugh, step into this time machine and start reading at Page 48. Hilarious.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=15086&page=48

Just read for a few pages. This was the real-time reaction to the forum's first good look at the NEW Chris Froome, in the 2011 Vuelta ITT.

Classic.

Entertaining read - jaws dropping all over the place

 

[deeno1975]

This was pointed out by someone else some time ago, but for a really good laugh, step into this time machine and start reading at Page 48. Hilarious.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=15086&page=48

Just read for a few pages. This was the real-time reaction to the forum's first good look at the NEW Chris Froome, in the 2011 Vuelta ITT.

Classic.

Pure class... Just like reliving that great moment when all the planets fell into alignment and star dust fell on that one man and his bike, expanding his lungs and increasing his heart size and shorting out the power meters!!

 

[red_flanders]

I wouldn't even refer to him as a mid-pack rider, did very little before 2011, at least Wiggins had experience on the track and has shown to be a competent rider prior to his GT wins, what did Froome do before?

I tend to agree. I was trying to throw the faithful a bone.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I tend to agree. I was trying to throw the faithful a bone.

Red - I have a lot of respect for you, I don't agree that Froome was grupetto stuff (indeed it makes the argument that he is definitely doping, easier to dismiss)
So, do not attempt to portray me as "the faithful".

 

[zlev11]

This was pointed out by someone else some time ago, but for a really good laugh, step into this time machine and start reading at Page 48. Hilarious.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=15086&page=48

Just read for a few pages. This was the real-time reaction to the forum's first good look at the NEW Chris Froome, in the 2011 Vuelta ITT.

Classic.

yeah, i read that thread a few months ago. the best is the person (i forget who it was) who thought the video had to be out of sync with the timing on Froomes run.

 

[red_flanders]

Red - I have a lot of respect for you, I don't agree that Froome was grupetto stuff (indeed it makes the argument that he is definitely doping, easier to dismiss)
So, do not attempt to portray me as "the faithful".

I was absolutely not referring to you. Your view is far more nuanced.

 

[Granville57]

yeah, i read that thread a few months ago. the best is the person (i forget who it was) who thought the video had to be out of sync with the timing on Froomes run.

I just read it again. Here are some highlights.

Froome faster than Cancellara

Where has Froome suddenly got this climbing and TT skill from? He's a decent time trialist, but come on.

Wow whats up with Froome? Holy ****.

Froome owns Wiggins

Wiggins working for Froome in the mountains??? Lol....

Anyway, off to the "Clinic"...

Holly sh!t, Froome just beat his boss Wiggins

Earlier Froome has been unable to recover properly in 1 week races, sucking on a few stages. Now he's dominating the vuelta after 10 stages

OK, so it looks like I was right about Wiggins not pulling out as huge an advantage as some people were expecting - but I was so, so wrong about Froome. Is he this year's Velits?

For the record, I'm referring to my saying that I doubted Wiggins would be in red by a minute. Now he won't even be in red, but Froome will. Very interesting, and Fuglsang looking good too.

I'm going to give Froome a big WTF anyway.

i wonder what some brits would be saying if instead of froome some dirty unkown spaniard was pulling this kind of performance . . .

I remember checking Froome's odds for the GC in the Vuelta yesterday. Think they were like 200-300 or so. Today? 16

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I was absolutely not referring to you. Your view is far more nuanced.

Ok, by way of apologising - I will channel my Monthy Python then and say, "well call it a draw"

 

[the sceptic]

I just read it again. Here are some highlights.

that is some gold right there.. now that youre at it maybe you can go dig up belles filles as well?

 

[SaxonUK]

I just read it again. Here are some highlights.

Used to relish coming to this forum during the Tour to see the Froome talk, only thing I could do since Sky made a farce of the entire event.

 

[red_flanders]

Ok, by way of apologising - I will channel my Monthy Python then and say, "well call it a draw"

No worries at all.

I wish I recalled the particular reference but all I can think of is: "you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you".

Probably off-topic.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

No worries at all.

I wish I recalled the particular reference but all I can think of is: "you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you".

Probably off-topic.

Here was my reference :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4

 

[The Hitch]

Including the crash that broke Wiggins collarbone in 2011?

What?

There's a difference between putting all your focus on a different edition of a race (what I said Sky did) and deliberately sabotaging your own riders to ensure you don't win a race . (how you seem to have interpreted my post).

I never said that Sky would deliberately try to lose a Tour de France. But in the real world winning a Tour de France is not something that is very easy, so I don't see why its ridiculous to suggest Sky went into the 2011 tour hoping to get as high a placing as possible with Wiggins (thereby building him up as a favourite for the next edition, giving him experience), but really throwing everything they had, in every sense of the word, at the 2012 edition, the best one imaginable to debut win in.

 

[The Hitch]

I just read it again. Here are some highlights.

Those comments don't even have that much shock (as they should) because everyone still expected he would crack 3 x over by the end of that Vuelta and it end up being the absolute highlight of his career.

This was just a grain of sand in the desert compared to what Froome would end up doing, so those posters, ain't seen nothing yet.


However the true Mecca of cycling reactions will be the ones found in the AX-3 thread, somewhere between where Porte drops Quintana and the forum crashes.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

What?

There's a difference between putting all your focus on a different edition of a race (what I said Sky did) and deliberately sabotaging your own riders to ensure you don't win a race . (how you seem to have interpreted my post).

I never said that Sky would deliberately try to lose a Tour de France. But in the real world winning a Tour de France is not something that is very easy, so I don't see why its ridiculous to suggest Sky went into the 2011 tour hoping to get as high a placing as possible with Wiggins (thereby building him up as a favourite for the next edition, giving him experience), but really throwing everything they had, in every sense of the word, at the 2012 edition, the best one imaginable to debut win in.

Ok, and thats absolutely fair.

My thoughts were they bought Wiggins as the great British hope after his 09 performance but that Sky were not really expecting him to actually win.
His form was good in 2011, (although he himself says he wasn't feeling confident), he crashes, goes on to Vuelta has a short off season and a good early 2012. Then luckily enough has no AC or AS to contend with on a course that suits his abilities.

 

[red_flanders]

Here was my reference :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4

Not sure who the black knight is in this scenario...

 

[EnacheV]

This was pointed out by someone else some time ago, but for a really good laugh, step into this time machine and start reading at Page 48. Hilarious.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=15086&page=48

Just read for a few pages. This was the real-time reaction to the forum's first good look at the NEW Chris Froome, in the 2011 Vuelta ITT.

Classic.

Nice

Froome would have 2 TdF's and 1 Vuelta by now, towing and waiting for Wiggins sucks.

 

[Benotti69]

Nice

Froome would have 2 TdF's and 1 Vuelta by now, towing and waiting for Wiggins sucks.

Froome must be posh, Wiggin's likes Posh allegedly.

 

[blackcat]

posh
polish

not Polish
polske