Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[The Hegelian]

He's the one guy on their list who, from the time he was a neo-pro, always had the GC question mark hanging over him.

The same cannot be said for all their other GT champions.

 

[Huapango]

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He's the one guy on their list who, from the time he was a neo-pro, always had the GC question mark hanging over him.

The same cannot be said for all their other GT champions.

Yeah, Froome and GT were always....wait a minute, wtf?

 

[JosephK]

Re: Sky

Kwiatkowski :lol:

Gonna get his transformation on.

OK, so I am proven wrong on this (Stage 9). For Kwia, not British enough for Sky?

 

[The Hegelian]

I think it puts everything very nicely into perspective: here's a once in a generation road talent, not quite able to do what two mediocre and one decent road talents have managed to accomplish with absolute domination.

 

[pastronef]

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I think it puts everything very nicely into perspective: here's a once in a generation road talent, not quite able to do what two mediocre and one decent road talents have managed to accomplish with absolute domination.

the "fear" or the "prevision" of Kwiato winning or podiuming the Vuelta were from the non-Sky fans.
he did NOT prepare the Vuelta as Froome or THoms did with the Tour. he raced the TOur as a gregario and kept racing and won Poland. and now he´ll go for stages at the Vuelta
when he goes as a captain or co-captain at a GT he will do better.

the most recent decent road talent for Sky (Thomas) took years to become what he is. and went full on for this year´s Tour. he didnt ride as a gregario in previous races or over raced before the Tour.

 

[pastronef]

Re: Sky

Herbie Sykes on Sky https://www.rapha.cc/gb/en/stories/rapha-mondial-the-second-coming

 

[Mamil]

Re: Sky

Herbie Sykes on Sky https://www.rapha.cc/gb/en/stories/rapha-mondial-the-second-coming

Slightly unusual article, with a couple of interesting points. But this was staggering:

"Froome’s AAF for Salbutamol was a handy construct, but only a moron would believe he set out to cheat anti-doping during a Vuelta he was only ever going to win."

Froome can only win because he dopes. If Sykes serious believes that Froome's clean, and that the sport in general is clean, then he's utterly delusional, and must watch cycling through the cracks between his fingers.

 

[brownbobby]

Re: Sky

Herbie Sykes on Sky https://www.rapha.cc/gb/en/stories/rapha-mondial-the-second-coming

What a brilliant article, one of the best pieces of cycling journalism i've read in a long time (imho)

 

[rick james]

Re: Sky

Herbie Sykes on Sky https://www.rapha.cc/gb/en/stories/rapha-mondial-the-second-coming

Slightly unusual article, with a couple of interesting points. But this was staggering:

"Froome’s AAF for Salbutamol was a handy construct, but only a moron would believe he set out to cheat anti-doping during a Vuelta he was only ever going to win."

Froome can only win because he dopes. If Sykes serious believes that Froome's clean, and that the sport in general is clean, then he's utterly delusional, and must watch cycling through the cracks between his fingers.

but at the same time, if Froome is doping and the whole sport is doping whats the beef with sky and froome then??

 

[rick james]

Re: Sky

Kwiatkowski :lol:

Gonna get his transformation on.

OK, so I am proven wrong on this (Stage 9). For Kwia, not British enough for Sky?

there biggest star is African

 

[gillan1969]

Re: Sky

Herbie Sykes on Sky https://www.rapha.cc/gb/en/stories/rapha-mondial-the-second-coming

What a brilliant article, one of the best pieces of cycling journalism i've read in a long time (imho)

Froome?..."a 21st centruy merckx"

as Tucker might say.... we're through the looking glass

merckx, to paraphrase the authour was 'at least the authour of his own fortune'...

do you really want me to list Merckx's results to the age Froome was when he podium-ed in the Vuelta in '11 against which we can pitch the.........er.........anatomic jock race???

go on ask me to..................................... :razz:

"a 21st Merckx"

herbie hancock...sorry, sykes...a journalistic titan

 

[gillan1969]

Re: Sky

Herbie Sykes on Sky https://www.rapha.cc/gb/en/stories/rapha-mondial-the-second-coming

Slightly unusual article, with a couple of interesting points. But this was staggering:

"Froome’s AAF for Salbutamol was a handy construct, but only a moron would believe he set out to cheat anti-doping during a Vuelta he was only ever going to win."

Froome can only win because he dopes. If Sykes serious believes that Froome's clean, and that the sport in general is clean, then he's utterly delusional, and must watch cycling through the cracks between his fingers.

but at the same time, if Froome is doping and the whole sport is doping whats the beef with sky and froome then??

Froome spindles about like a 'rong 'un :lol:

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Sky

Herbie Sykes on Sky https://www.rapha.cc/gb/en/stories/rapha-mondial-the-second-coming

This is literally unreadable? Thought it was just the introduction but it just goes on and on with the fancy words and metaphors and parallels and rhetorical questions.

 

[Mamil]

Re: Sky

but at the same time, if Froome is doping and the whole sport is doping whats the beef with sky and froome then??

That's a different discussion. A perfectly valid one, but not part of the author's perspectives in this case.

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Sky

Herbie Sykes on Sky https://www.rapha.cc/gb/en/stories/rapha-mondial-the-second-coming

Slightly unusual article, with a couple of interesting points. But this was staggering:

"Froome’s AAF for Salbutamol was a handy construct, but only a moron would believe he set out to cheat anti-doping during a Vuelta he was only ever going to win."

Froome can only win because he dopes. If Sykes serious believes that Froome's clean, and that the sport in general is clean, then he's utterly delusional, and must watch cycling through the cracks between his fingers.

That's an incredibly naive statement based on the history of cycling, and professional sport in general. Many big names that have been caught cheated anti-doping and were only brought down when law-enforcement and journalists took up the baton.

 

[Blanco]

Looking at how Movi and MS are battling about who will work/not work on the front, wanting to save their teams as long as possible, man has to wonder how is possible for one team to control whole Grand Tour, from day 1 to day 21!?

 

[rick james]

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Looking at how Movi and MS are battling about who will work/not work on the front, wanting to save their teams as long as possible, man has to wonder how is possible for one team to control whole Grand Tour, from day 1 to day 21!?

is the answer asthma treatment?

 

[Blanco]

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Looking at how Movi and MS are battling about who will work/not work on the front, wanting to save their teams as long as possible, man has to wonder how is possible for one team to control whole Grand Tour, from day 1 to day 21!?

is the answer asthma treatment?

It could be..

 

[MartinGT]

Re: Sky

I see Poels has learnt the 'Dawg' head Bob marginal gain. 1.5km to go on Whinlatter today he was well back and looking on deaths door. Takes the stage.

 

[Parker]

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Looking at how Movi and MS are battling about who will work/not work on the front, wanting to save their teams as long as possible, man has to wonder how is possible for one team to control whole Grand Tour, from day 1 to day 21!?

It's down to who the teams select. The Vuelta selections seem to be a bit more random. Jack Haig said that the Mitchelton squad at the Giro had Bewley and Tuft who could ride on the front for ages while the Vuelta team had no equivalents.

Sky select their teams (at the Tour) in the expectation of leading and controlling. At the Vuelta they haven't and have not controlled.

 

[rick james]

Re: Sky

I see Poels has learnt the 'Dawg' head Bob marginal gain. 1.5km to go on Whinlatter today he was well back and looking on deaths door. Takes the stage.

managing your efforts...who knew such secrets

 

[Blanco]

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Looking at how Movi and MS are battling about who will work/not work on the front, wanting to save their teams as long as possible, man has to wonder how is possible for one team to control whole Grand Tour, from day 1 to day 21!?

It's down to who the teams select. The Vuelta selections seem to be a bit more random. Jack Haig said that the Mitchelton squad at the Giro had Bewley and Tuft who could ride on the front for ages while the Vuelta team had no equivalents.

Sky select their teams (at the Tour) in the expectation of leading and controlling. At the Vuelta they haven't and have not controlled.

I remember Mitchelton squad at the Giro, they were dead way before the end. Also look at Movistar's squad at this Vuelta, at least on par with their Tour squad, but they can not control things either even with the Vuelta squads significantly weaker than the Tour ones.

 

[MartinGT]

Re: Sky

I see Poels has learnt the 'Dawg' head Bob marginal gain. 1.5km to go on Whinlatter today he was well back and looking on deaths door. Takes the stage.

managing your efforts...who knew such secrets

From getting dropped with the pace QS put in then even struggling to hold Davies and Pidcocks wheel. Aye that's managing

 

[MartinGT]

Oh and this being a 2km climb at most and not a 20-30km alpine climb. So aye managing an effort on a long climb I understand but this?

 

[Parker]

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Oh and this being a 2km climb at most and not a 20-30km alpine climb. So aye managing an effort on a long climb I understand but this?

So what are suggesting happened? Do you think he doped half way up the climb?

Have you ever heard of a race called Fleche Wallonne? It would really confuse you.