Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[maxmartin]

If by MIGHT you mean there is "OVERWHELMING" circumstantial evidence against them according to the experts with access to bio-passport data.
A low number doesn't necessarily mean anything, but a high one certainly does.

Agree, i don't think 5 for W is a significant number. But that is the number before he becoming crazy good, and we all know W had a terrible terrible tour that year. Maybe because of the poor performance of that year he decided to try SOMETHING new. I am interested to know what his number would be now.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Rogers isn't exactly a rider suddenly performing beyond his palmares - a number of U-19/23 world podiums/championships, 3 time world champion in the ITT, top ten at the Tour and Giro, and a number of major victories going back to 2003. He put in a huge pull on stage 7 then lost over a minute in the last few kms. He lost over 4 minutes today, so it looks like he paid for that effort.

Ferrari and Freiburg client. You're listing doped achievements. The man has improved his FTP by 5-7% this year. That's straight from the horse's mouth. Perfectly normal for a 32 year old.

Porte is the only one of the four whos progression isn't hugely suspicious and it's still suspicious.

 

[BroDeal]

Agree, i don't think 5 for W is a significant number. But that is the number before he becoming crazy good, and we all know W had a terrible terrible tour that year. Maybe because of the poor performance of that year he decided to try SOMETHING new. I am interested to know what his number would be now.

Ever hear of Avogadro's number? It's nothing compared to Wiggin's.

 

[maxmartin]

Rogers isn't exactly a rider suddenly performing beyond his palmares - a number of U-19/23 world podiums/championships, 3 time world champion in the ITT, top ten at the Tour and Giro, and a number of major victories going back to 2003. He put in a huge pull on stage 7 then lost over a minute in the last few kms. He lost over 4 minutes today, so it looks like he paid for that effort.

His numbers is better than his fully doped heyday, and he is getting much older. Maybe sky do have some MAGIC swimming coachs. And who knows the 4 mins is act or not, sky people are not stupid, they don't want to make it so obvious. I predict this kind of Sky train will happen again in one more stage.

 

[maxmartin]

Ever hear of Avogadro's number? It's nothing compared to Wiggin's.

I am a chemist LOL

 

[Ferminal]

Actually I do have facts backing a "cleaner" peloton, which I've posted before and you ridiculed. you clearly want to go with your beliefs.

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2011/07/tour-de-france-biological-passport.html

Ashenden's interview re: Contador suggested managing retics was common practice.

 

[mastersracer]

His numbers is better than his fully doped heyday, and he is getting much older. Maybe sky do have some MAGIC swimming coachs. And who knows the 4 mins is act or not, sky people are not stupid, they don't want to make it so obvious. I predict this kind of Sky train will happen again in one more stage.

what numbers? I'd be interested to see if there's power data for him over his career.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Ashenden's interview re: Contador suggested managing retics was common practice.

Thanks for posting. I googled for it. I guess you mean the interview at NYVelocity!? I am just reminded again: Don´t even think about to trust a single rider. Wiggins & Co. "earned" all the sceptism by the informed fan/observer/critic. They can cry out loud as long they want (like Wiggins today), still no more fooling us like in the past...

 

[maxmartin]

what numbers? I'd be interested to see if there's power data for him over his career.

some people posted in previous pages

 

[Ferminal]

Thanks for posting. I googled for it. I guess you mean the interview at NYVelocity!? I am just reminded again: Don´t even think about to trust a single rider. Wiggins & Co. "earned" all the sceptism by the informed fan/observer/critic. They can cry out loud as long they want (like Wiggins today), still no more fooling us like in the past...

http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2012/behind-scenes-contador-cas-hearing-michael-ashenden

Yes, although he seems to rely on what Floyd says... no credibility.

 

[MarkvW]

Wiggins is a fool. I sincerely believe that he is doping. I don't want to believe it, but I do. What the heck does that scrawny little geek want me to do?

 

[Galic Ho]

If you infuse before a week-long stage race, shouldn't your Hb mass be roughly the same by the end of the race? Thus allowing you to withdraw the same amount and just go back to your pre-race level? I don't think you have to waste blood bags if you only compete for 1 week and then go away for 1 month.

Depends on exactly how they are blood doping. Ashenden himself didn't really want to explain all the super minute details Landis let them know because it was that damn good and it seemed he feared people would take it as a guide on how to dope to win. But if following Landis method as described, yes, the Hb mass would in theory be the same at the end of a week long race with a slight decrease. I still don't think they'd withdraw immediately after the race though. Could be wrong. I thought they'd wait a week, get some recovery, take out the blood and store it for reinfusing later.

There is definitely something sketchy about what Sky are doing. No other team has been doing this. Not even Contador has pulled off a season like this. Something alwasy gave. Made him appear human. It just doesn't make sense, even from a doping perspective that is how absurd this is.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2012/behind-scenes-contador-cas-hearing-michael-ashenden

Yes, although he seems to rely on what Floyd says... no credibility.

Nice one. LMAO.
... I like podium cafe too. I got the link from there. He has some great stories of all the corruption in the doping scene when Verbruggen was still there. I just wonder how Wiggins can critisice us, when guys like Kim Anderson, Rijs etc. are still around. A big f... you Wiggins...

 

[maxmartin]

It just doesn't make sense, even from a doping perspective that is how absurd this is.

Haha maybe they do have magic swimming coach!!!

 

[Kender]

http://www.livestrong.com/article/161988-high-testosterone-symptoms-in-men/

Aggressiveness - Check
Impulsivity - Check
Anger - Check
Mood Swings - Check
Shrinking Testicles - anyone checked his packages for size reduction?
Lower Sperm Count - lets not go there


maybe he needs to lay off the T patches?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

On rest day Wiggins will have full hands to do. His Sky-PR men force him to apologize, then he has to get his blood re-infused, and still do some training rides. Uff, that´s as tough as riding a whole 200 km stage.

 

[blackcat]

Capture Theory

was implicit the sport was captured by vested interests. Use of Fraud (noun), was catchall

Just one more thing BlackCat. Anyone doping is France is a criminal. By French law. Not the law of the peloton. Thus they deserve to be in the back of police wagon and off to the cells.

I SAID I disagreed on the count that it made criminals of athletes. Cross border transportation, and accessing off-label pharma, is merely the cypher to frame my point. I said, athletes should not be made into criminals, for our ends of consumer entertainment.

Gotta stop taking stuff literally, and see themes as starting points. Not the literal definition.

 

[blackcat]

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[mksndz]

Prof Julian Savulescu

Speaking of, he's capitalizing on the Lance/USADA issue again:

http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.u...mstrong-time-for-a-doping-amnesty-in-cycling/

Useless academics will say anything to make themselves feel important and profound

 

[filipo]

A good article on bicycling.com about Wiggins and his rant today;

http://bicycling.com/blogs/boulderr...e-france-doubt-hope-and-trust-take-spotlight/

According to the above link, Wigs gets asked the question, offers his c**ts tirade, and then...

And with that, he tossed the microphone on the table and got up and left.

 

[thehog]

According to the above link, Wigs gets asked the question, offers his c**ts tirade, and then...

I mentioned this before.

Wiggins all year has been referring to Sky as USPS and Banesto. Even after Saturdays stage he was referring it to a "Indurain" like performance. So when someone asks a fairly innocuous question he loses it?

I dont get it. The question wasn't accusatory. The journalist wanted to know what he thought about Sky being a little like Poatal.

A better answer would have been "USPS was different era, I'm here to talk about Sky and winning the Tour" next question..... simple.

By behaving the way he did meant he made the link to drugs and Sky. As did Rogers and everyone else who backed Wiggins. Who said anything about drugs? According to Brad Lance never tested positive and that was good enough for him. Why the outrage at the simple mention of Postal? and CVV? What's he getting upset about? He testified!

 

[Caruut]

On rest day Wiggins will have full hands to do. His Sky-PR men force him to apologize, then he has to get his blood re-infused, and still do some training rides. Uff, that´s as tough as riding a whole 200 km stage.

Sky know their PR, that's for sure. I think we might see a kind of "I worked super hard on the descent and chasing down VDB's attack, I was smoked. For some reason I just flipped. I accept that this sport has a past and that questions are inevitable, but this has been achieved through hard work."

He will stop short, as before, of flat out denying it, but he is looking like a real loose cannon right now.

 

[SaxonUK]

Sky know their PR, that's for sure. I think we might see a kind of "I worked super hard on the descent and chasing down VDB's attack, I was smoked. For some reason I just flipped. I accept that this sport has a past and that questions are inevitable, but this has been achieved through hard work."

He will stop short, as before, of flat out denying it, but he is looking like a real loose cannon right now.

To be honest, Wiggins may have put himself in the firing line now. While there are a select number of riders who have shown their support for Wiggins words, it seems strange that a team who has their PR together as much as Sky would allow him to come out and say what he did.

I have no doubt their will be some sort of apology or at least a scripted explanation of his words either from a Sky pro cycling spokesperson or from Wiggins himself.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Wiggins' testosterone to brains ratio has climbed off the charts.

Nice 'roid rage from lambchop. Just the guy cycling needs to hasten a return to the dark ages.

 

[function]

It is quite apparent from that statistic alone that the chances of Wiggins being a doper are high. A non doper cannot compete with a doper.

Check out 7th

Stage 3, Bédoin - Mont Ventoux, ITT, 21 kms:

1. Jonathan Vaughters (USA) US Postal Service 56.50.9
2. Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) Casino 42.7
3. Wladimir Belli (Ita) Festina-Lotus 43.8
4. Joseba Beloki Dorronsoro (Spa) Euskatel-Euskadi 51.84
5. Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal Service 1.01.2
6. Kevin Livingston (USA) US Postal Service 1.25.5
7. David Moncoutie (Fra) Cofidis 1.40.6
8. Unaï Osa (Spa) Banesto 2.01.1
9. Tyler Hamilton (USA) US Postal Service 2.18.1
10. Roberto Laiseka Jaio (Spa) Euskatel-Euskadi 2.18.2