Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Mishrak]

I gotta say most of the Pros disagree with all your talk. Brajkovic is one of many to speak out.

"Couple of years ago every1 was laughing at @TeamSky for doing million things trying to improve performance, now when they're flying it's very easy to say they must be doing something... Yes, they r, training, nutrition, dedication, etc. well deserved".

There's no way the pro Peleton is going to say anything outside of that. Ask Filippo Simeoni if telling the truth while still trying to be an active cyclist was a good idea.

 

[Grayguard]

i am no wiggins fan -- and found his press tirade to be textbook armstrong actually. i also find froome's perf here and at the vuelta quite shocking. however, i simply cannot understand the logic of posters who "pray" for nibali or wish contadope was competing.

the double standard is even more stunning.

nibali has far more clinic suspicious connections than either wiggins or froome.

and -- for all we know -- contadope's entire career -- based on real facts, seems likely to be due to doping.

Not sure what an attack on AC is doing here; but let me remind you of a time, when a wonderful and entertaining cyclist won an ITT by 3 seconds over Canc:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tour-de-france/stage-9/results

 

[LaFlorecita]

and -- for all we know -- contador's entire career -- based on real facts, seems likely to be due to doping.

Ouch......

 

[LaFlorecita]

Not sure what an attack on AC is doing here; but let me remind you of a time, when a wonderful and entertaining cyclist won an ITT by 3 seconds over Canc:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tour-de-france/stage-9/results

Oh that time...

 

[MartinGT]

I gotta say most of the Pros disagree with all your talk. Brajkovic is one of many to speak out.

"Couple of years ago every1 was laughing at @TeamSky for doing million things trying to improve performance, now when they're flying it's very easy to say they must be doing something... Yes, they r, training, nutrition, dedication, etc. well deserved".

So its already been mentioned to him?

I bet Spartacus is sick man, sick.

 

[goggalor]

Man, Vaughter's training methods at Garmin must be rubbish. Not only is Wiggins a significantly better climber than he was in 2009, he's also ten times the time trialist.

 

[131313]

I gotta say most of the Pros disagree with all your talk. Brajkovic is one of many to speak out.

"Couple of years ago every1 was laughing at @TeamSky for doing million things trying to improve performance, now when they're flying it's very easy to say they must be doing something... Yes, they r, training, nutrition, dedication, etc. well deserved".

how many pros spoke out on Basson's behalf?

I don't like their credibility...

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Someone should sign the 2006 Anatomic Jock race winner. Clearly the biggest talent there is.

Jay Thomson, now riding with UHC, having knocked about at Conti level beforehand.

 

[Big Doopie]

Ouch......

sorry.

 

[Gloin22]

So its already been mentioned to him?

I bet Spartacus is sick man, sick.

Jani is very sociable. He has a account and posted few times on PCM.Daily.

He might have cyclingews account too, I dunno. Thing is, he reads forums and stuff like that...

 

[Falken]

Have Wiggins taken any giant leaps since 2009 when he came 4th after Contador, Schleck and Armstrong? He both timetrialed and climbed well in 2009. And if one agrees that he didn't doped then, when he was with Garmin-Slipstream, I can't see how one can say that he must be doping now when he is with Sky. His slight progress could just as well be explained with a couple of years of hard dedication and building towards TdF.

 

[Big Doopie]

Not sure what an attack on AC is doing here

since we cannot post (reality) clinic related stuff in the pro racing forum, i am questioning those who have pined for contador in those threads.

cheers.

 

[pugdog]

Wiggins don't peak, he just got a natural form around the year...

Didnt you hear him earlier ?? he is not even riding full speed, this is just like soft training for him..

Yes I thought he looked a little slow and heavy. No doubt he will peak for the Olympics.

 

[131313]

i am no wiggins fan -- and found his press tirade to be textbook armstrong actually. i also find froome's perf here and at the vuelta quite shocking. however, i simply cannot understand the logic of posters who "pray" for nibali or wish contadope was competing.

the double standard is even more stunning.

nibali has far more clinic suspicious connections than either wiggins or froome.

and -- for all we know -- contadope's entire career -- based on real facts, seems likely to be due to doping.

You are of course right, because the fact is doping has shuffled the deck to the point where no one knows what's real and not real. It's impossible to tell. What we do know is that Contador at least comports himself like a real champion and Wigans is behaving like a schoolboy, so he at least gets points on that front. Talk of doping aside, my money is on Froome, not Wigans. I think he's going to come unglued at some point.

 

[Big Doopie]

Have Wiggins taken any giant leaps since 2009 when he came 4th after Contador, Schleck and Armstrong? He both timetrialed and climbed well in 2009. And if one agrees that he didn't doped then, when he was with Garmin-Slipstream, I can't see how one can say that he must be doping now when he is with Sky. His slight progress could just as well be explained with a couple of years of hard dedication and building towards TdF.

i have no idea tbh.

you also have to remember that -- had he not crashed out last year -- this might have already happened. he was on quite a tear at the time and the form of his life.

but who knows?

 

[roundabout]

Jay Thomson, now riding with UHC, having knocked about at Conti level beforehand.

oh, him. I see that he can TT and is a year younger than Froome. Not too late to become a GT big name with the right training.

 

[Big Doopie]

You are of course right, because the fact is doping has shuffled the deck to the point where no one knows what's real and not real. It's impossible to tell.

bingo.

What we do know is that Contador at least comports himself like a real champion and Wigans is behaving like a schoolboy, so he at least gets points on that front.

not sure what you mean -- "comports himself" -- how? playing the omerta game. i do think his being able to totally destroy the armstrong/bruyneel head games in 2009 showed incredible strength. but i imagine he is just another big time doper so what exactly does that tell us?

Talk of doping aside, my money is on Froome, not Wigans. I think he's going to come unglued at some point.

interesting.

 

[Willy_Voet]

My next prediction after getting the ITT result correct and Wiggo’s violent reaction to dope talk is the following…. I predict on the next mountain stage they will go 1-2-3 maybe even 4 in the final group. Rogers and Porte took it easier today. They’re ready to completely smash it apart on the first MTF. Again dopers logic.

Brilliant call on the TT, but I'm not sure they will continue to smash it. Someone will reign them in to give them somewhat believable numbers.

The time gaps now are Tour winning margins. We're on day 10. Unbelievable.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Man, Vaughter's training methods at Garmin must be rubbish. Not only is Wiggins a significantly better climber than he was in 2009, he's also ten times the time trialist.

Silly Vaughters...

He forgot all about the "Dedication + Sacrifice = Success" equation recently discovered at Sky.

What's gonna happen when the rest of the peloton actually start dedicating themselves to racing?

 

[Grayguard]

since we cannot post (reality) clinic related stuff in the pro racing forum, i am questioning those who have pined for contador in those threads.

cheers.

Well, since all the best science in the world could not provide definitive proof (or truth); maybe the simple answer *IS* the truth? Just a possibility. After all some tourists have been tested positive too

Besides that argument, which will never end:

IMHO: A true great rider, is willing to take risks and attack, and *make* a race: AC is such a rider. Others are too, but few, if any of them, are contending for the GC this year.

I would just like some more competition in his TdF, yes. I would *love* to have both Andy and AC in it. Alas, thats not the case.

 

[maxmartin]

who will be the first Pro rider stands out to question the result?
If Contador stands out to question W and F? That would be quite intesting
pre-battle before next year real battle

 

[Dr.Sahl]

oh, him. I see that he can TT and is a year younger than Froome. Not too late to become a GT big name with the right training.

I guess all ptt is trying to sign him.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

oh, him. I see that he can TT and is a year younger than Froome. Not too late to become a GT big name with the right training.

Well, he's still on Froome's schedule. If he follows the same pattern he should be about to make a huge step forward in both the mountains and in time trials any day now.

 

[Bala Verde]

I gotta say most of the Pros disagree with all your talk. Brajkovic is one of many to speak out.

"Couple of years ago every1 was laughing at @TeamSky for doing million things trying to improve performance, now when they're flying it's very easy to say they must be doing something... Yes, they r, training, nutrition, dedication, etc. well deserved".

Is Jani fishing for a spot on the team, so he can improve his performance with SKY led training, nutrition and dedication?

What happened has happened to Jani? Lacking training, nutrition and dedication these days?

 

[Big Doopie]

IMHO: A true great rider, is willing to take risks and attack, and *make* a race: AC is such a rider. Others are too, but few, if any of them, are contending for the GC this year.

but that ability to "attack" has been directly related to the amount of doping a rider is doing.

is ricco a "true great rider"?

valverde?

vino?

these guys can't seem to attack quite so much when the sauce is lessened. so why do we continue to laud them and "miss" them? it's faulty logic imo.