Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Stingray34]

Tomolaris: "This reminds me of 1996 when Bjarne Riis was being upstaged by an up and coming young rider by the name of Jan Ulrich"
Does he have any idea what he is saying.
That said, I have to agree with him!

hiero2: this is what I'm talking about. Yes, Aussies, but some of us are more equal than others.

I know Thommo, we're from the same part of Sydney: he's actually dumber than he presents himself on TV.

 

[frenchfry]

Thierry Adam, who has never met a doper he doesn't love, informed us that Sky has a perfect preparation (like the teams don't give a darn). Laurent Jalabert was a bit less enthusiastic, but when Knees dragged the yellow jersey group up the Madelaine then went to the back for bottles then took another pull Jaja was a bit suspect especially when there there were only climbers left.

Froome = rocket man

 

[UlleGigo]

Just before that you can see him talking to Wiggins. Presumably he was given the green light. Then quickly shut down when they saw how badly he'd blown things up.

My theory is that Froome asked Wiggins if he wanted to attack and stupid Wiggins said 'yes' because he didn't want to look weak.

Froome is better than Wiggins and I would imagine everyone on Sky would know it and have known it since the latter stages of the Vuelta. Although apparently not before hand since the guy was fighting for a contract of any discription, let alone a contract in leader's/super dom role.

Completely normal though.

 

[UlleGigo]

I know Thommo, we're from the same part of Sydney: he's actually dumber than he presents himself on TV.

That's no surprise. He's a bumbling idiot but I still like him. He's part of the furniture.

 

[Stingray34]

A quick google of "Thetan level 7" made me

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"A Body Thetan is an alien thetan who is "stuck" in, on or near a human body, and all human bodies are said to be covered in these misplaced thetans, or clusters of them. This information is not divulged until a Scientologist reaches the third Operating Thetan level (or OT III). Most Body Thetans were said by Hubbard to be a result of a prehistoric "Incident" involving Xenu, as well as other similar alien occurrences on the whole track."

Although a body Thetan could explain Froomes current current overall performance...

Oh yes, Thetans occupy no space and have no mass, but do have functional threshold powers of 500W...Hubbard wrote voluminously on this. Those piercing blue eyes of Anquetil: Thetans. Fo' Real.

 

[Maxiton]

Cracks me up that much of the race thread has to be in the Clinic. Anyway, this is from a Q&A Porte did recently on the Facebook page of RIDE Cycling Review:


Q. Is there any discussion between Porte and Bradley when they’re riding on the climbs?

A. “He doesn’t say too much but he’ll tell me to lift the pace or come down if we don’t have to ride that fast. There’s plenty of communication but it’s not a big discussion; we’ve got Mick [Rogers] there as a team captain who explains what we should be doing and we manage our energy accordingly.”

 

[mastersracer]

Froome was also protected until the last climb and his acceleration was matched by everyone in his group except Wiggins.

 

[Dr.Sahl]

Fold? Rogers rode for 50km on the front on his own!

Break if you will ^^

I think they did super and yes Rogers was crazy those 50 kms.. Ohh well... it this keeps on with Froome, I will lose hope in watching cycling for a while.

 

[Kwibus]

In my roadbook the slowest schedule with an average of 33km/h was predicted to end around 17.43.
They finished a bit after 18:00 didn't they?

If you look at it from that perspective this might be the cleanest tour ever

 

[UlleGigo]

Froome was also protected until the last climb and his acceleration was matched by everyone in his group except Wiggins.

You mean the group of riders Froome showed no inkling of being able to compete against until late last year?

It's as though you seem to think that Froome would be these guys equal without dope so if he is doping he should be dropping them for minutes everytime he has a dig.

 

[Marco Pantani]

Froome was also protected until the last climb and his acceleration was matched by everyone in his group except Wiggins.

Nobody matched it. With the exception of Pinot maybe.
Only when he stopped pedalling, they were allowed to get onto his wheel.

 

[hiero2]

On crying wolf you have a point. However what they are doing is akin to us postal, in fact probably superior to it, and it looks like a 1-2 in the tour for sky.
Everybody is suspicious at this point as its so extraordinary. Hopefully they are clean but when things like this have happened before, gewiss taking the podium 1-2-3 or the sham that was postal it has turned out to be doping.

We should not look at the climbing times - they are probably not using EPO, why compare them with EPO-fueled times?. However, Sky look like they are using something extra, and this is what I'm talking about here.

Tomolaris: "This reminds me of 1996 when Bjarne Riis was being upstaged by an up and coming young rider by the name of Jan Ulrich"
Does he have any idea what he is saying.
That said, I have to agree with him!

The Tomolaris quote - exactly the kind of reference I see the commentators making to cue in anyone in the know that they are also suspicious. When you refer to a known doping event, the inference is there. It wasn't just USPostal, but many performances that are now known to have been doped.

The testing and the biopassport are good for some control, but obviously not all. Things may be cleaner, but too many people who can know still think it is not. As I said earlier - we have seen teams, pre-EPO, who had 2 riders on the podium, and 3 in the top 10. Look at Andy Hampsten's best performance. I would say, based on that race, that having a strong team boosts all the members, not just the captain. But to seemingly have 4 riders who could be top 10 placers is - "just too good to be true". Even having 3 is reason enough for suspicion. They don't need to test with EPO-era power levels to have a winning advantage.

Well, folks, it has been an interesting discussion today. Afaic, Sky has "some 'splainin' to do". Which is unlikely - so, unless something changes, they get an asterisk next to their name this year. (imo, of course)

 

[User Guide]

After today am a bit more happy sky arent on some secret super sauce team wide.....
Froome on the other hand looks untouchable.....
I hope its because the field has been decimated by crashes and people(evans) not having it this year,contie/shleck not being here.Is there anything he cant do?
TT like a medal contender whilst looking a bit **** on a TT bike
Climb like a wiggins/Hysedal diesel type
Climb like a Bertie type....




I also hope im not putting any niggling doubts all onto the not quite a brit brit

 

[maxmartin]

P+P trying so hard to soft sell this display of absurdity. "We've never seen Rogers climb like this before, he's been sick on and off for years! But now he's feeling better!" As if that's a perfectly rational explanation as to how someone who's been frequently ill can spontaneously leap to the upper echelon of climbers.

so was British Eurosport, "I am amazed by Roger, I never saw Roger in this kind of shape as long as I can remember"

 

[Marco Pantani]

After today am a bit more happy sky arent on some secret super sauce team wide.....

Yeah I'm happy too........... they just destroyed everybody with 4 guys at the front and only VdB, Nibali, Brajkovic, Pinot and Schleck being able to hold onto their wheels at the Croix de Fer.

 

[User Guide]

The Tomolaris quote - exactly the kind of reference I see the commentators making to cue in anyone in the know that they are also suspicious. When you refer to a known doping event, the inference is there. It wasn't just USPostal, but many performances that are now known to have been doped.

The testing and the biopassport are good for some control, but obviously not all. Things may be cleaner, but too many people who can know still think it is not. As I said earlier - we have seen teams, pre-EPO, who had 2 riders on the podium, and 3 in the top 10. Look at Andy Hampsten's best performance. I would say, based on that race, that having a strong team boosts all the members, not just the captain. But to seemingly have 4 riders who could be top 10 placers is - "just too good to be true". Even having 3 is reason enough for suspicion. They don't need to test with EPO-era power levels to have a winning advantage.

Well, folks, it has been an interesting discussion today. Afaic, Sky has "some 'splainin' to do". Which is unlikely - so, unless something changes, they get an asterisk next to their name this year. (imo, of course)

Mollema
Contador
Gesink
Frandy SNR
Frandy JNR
Sanchez
Kruswiik
etc etc
If many contenders hadnt crashed or were actually there how many top 10 capable guys would sky have again?

 

[hiero2]

hiero2: this is what I'm talking about. Yes, Aussies, but some of us are more equal than others.

I know Thommo, we're from the same part of Sydney: he's actually dumber than he presents himself on TV.

ROFLMAO! Thanks for the laugh!

 

[mastersracer]

Nobody matched it. With the exception of Pinot maybe.
Only when he stopped pedalling, they were allowed to get onto his wheel.

-They reacted and were coming up to him, which is why Wiggins was left on his own.

-the comparisons to Riis are facile. The climbing data indicates Froome is not climbing at EPO-era speeds.

- once upon a time, people argued that a cleaner peloton meant new riders would emerge and be competitive.

-people used to attack on climbs before 1990 too.

 

[maxmartin]

On Eurosport, Harmon said of EBH, "He must have had 3 shredded wheat for breakfast".

Yes, David, that's the best explanation of how EBH can lead the peleton up an HC single-handedly, whilst keeping the gap to 2 mins. (Until the leaders sprinted for points.)

they even saying EBH can be future tour winner, sure as long as he stays with SKY

 

[SantiBotero]

More of the same in Poland ...

 

[Chris85]

So...Tomalaris just said how Roger's is saying that he hasn't weighed so little since he was sixteen. Sky's secret is losing weight......and parasites....what the **** is that all about! No...that's not it.... it's their bikes that weigh 150g less.

I hope Rogers is clean....Im sure he almost gave up on the sport a couple years back when he placed well in the Amgen tour of california, only to get smashed in the tour. I'm sure, that even if Berti was riding today, he'd be hard pressed by Froome.

2013 - peloton gets Berti, Pellizotti and Shlecky back to take on the sky machine.

 

[Marco Pantani]

-They reacted and were coming up to him, which is why Wiggins was left on his own.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xs...lle-la-toussuire-les-sybelles-148-km-16_sport

 

[Maxiton]

hiero2: this is what I'm talking about. Yes, Aussies, but some of us are more equal than others.

I know Thommo, we're from the same part of Sydney: he's actually dumber than he presents himself on TV.

Hilarious!

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Froome, a big fat hahahahhaa for him. Also for the other skybelievers. Go back to track u British morons, don't **** with our sport.

Thats all i've got to say after today's mockery.

 

[maxmartin]

froome, a big fat hahahahhaa for him. Also for the other skybelievers. Go back to track u british morons, don't **** with our sport.

Thats all i've got to say after today's mockery.

support
what a shame