Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[sniper]

by the way,

as far as i know, most teams have a section "doctors/soigneurs" on their website, where you can see who the medics are.
Sky's website doesn't.

 

[Knutsen]

Kerrison is there...

What's the story with Kerrison and doping?

 

[Benotti69]

by the way,

as far as i know, most teams have a section "doctors/soigneurs" on their website, where you can see who the medics are.
Sky's website doesn't.

all part of clean cycling and full transparency..............

 

[Normandy]

No chance of that being printed in mainstream papers today. But maybe something similar will pop up in the coming days, who knows.

Perhaps the BBC will devote a program to it when the time comes. Like they did back in 2009 on this doping episode. Nobody could prove this team doped at the time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/8188355.stm


Sadly history has a habit of repeating itself.

 

[Ferminal]

What's the story with Kerrison and doping?

Nothing, it's just his training ideas are what they claim have them performing at such a high level.

 

[Darryl Webster]

Thank gawd there's this "Clinic"..I,l grant there,s some nonsense here but at least us doubters can express our thoughts. Over here in blighty I,m getting shredded by the blind and ignorent...this from a mod on one page FB group I contribute to regularly:

" If anybody, and I mean anybody, rains on my parade today, I'll block him/her.
Today Terry (me) you will be a Fascist and not have a "free press".

Its fecking sickening the jingoistic bull **** that's pouring out.

 

[Benotti69]

Thank gawd there's this "Clinic"..I,l grant there,s some nonsense here but at least us doubters can express our thoughts. Over here in blighty I,m getting shredded by the blind and ignorent...this from a mod on one page FB group I contribute to regularly:

" If anybody, and I mean anybody, rains on my parade today, I'll block him/her.
Today Terry (me) you will be a Fascist and not have a "free press".

Its fecking sickening the jingoistic bull **** that's pouring out.

Sadly Darryl that attitude is what is wrong with the sport and how it prevents it from moving forward.

Blind acceptance due to nationality.

 

[Caruut]

Thank gawd there's this "Clinic"..I,l grant there,s some nonsense here but at least us doubters can express our thoughts. Over here in blighty I,m getting shredded by the blind and ignorent...this from a mod on one page FB group I contribute to regularly:

" If anybody, and I mean anybody, rains on my parade today, I'll block him/her.
Today Terry (me) you will be a Fascist and not have a "free press".

Its fecking sickening the jingoistic bull **** that's pouring out.

I too am sick and tired of being told by friends that have no idea about cycling how wonderful this all is. I want to be happy about it, but I just can't see to be.

 

[mastersracer]

I too am sick and tired of being told by friends that have no idea about cycling how wonderful this all is. I want to be happy about it, but I just can't see to be.

This Tour victory is the easiest to explain in a long time. A better prepared team, a weak field, absence of the rider who would have won it (Contador), absence of the team leader of 2nd strongest Tour team (RSNT), crashes of other team leaders (Garmin, etc), most other teams riding for stage wins, Nibali and Liquigas main competitor for GC - clearly a weaker team, and the most favorable route for Wiggins ever. Easy to explain this one.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

This Tour victory is the easiest to explain in a long time. A better prepared team, a weak field, absence of the rider who would have won it (Contador), absence of the team leader of 2nd strongest Tour team (RSNT), crashes of other team leaders (Garmin, etc), most other teams riding for stage wins, Nibali and Liquigas main competitor for GC - clearly a weaker team, and the most favorable route for Wiggins ever. Easy to explain this one.

If its so easy to explain - then can you explain di Gregario and Schleck? Or were they just lazy and decided to go for major gains rather than marginal ones?

 

[goggalor]

So why did Sky hire Leinders again?


http://www.scotsman.com/scotland-on...candals-that-have-dogged-this-sport-1-2426229

No-one has praised him? What nonsense. Wiggins has been eulogised on a daily basis. Save for Andy Murray, he’s been the most talked-about, the most written-about, the most photographed British sportsman of this summer – and possibly any other summer in recent times. If all the breathless paeans to his brilliance and his bravery have not been enough for him then all you can say is that Wiggins, on top of being a terrific cyclist, must also be the most high-maintenance athlete in living memory with an ego as towering as some of the mountains he’s cycled up these past weeks. Nobody’s said well done? Short of lining his route with rose petals, it’s hard to see how people could have lauded him any more than they already have.

Good article. Totally agree with the quoted bit. Swooning British cycling journos could learn a lot (thinking of people like Richard Moore and Daniel Friebe, who couldn't agree enough when Wiggo claimed he hadn't gotten any praise, despite them having drooled over Wiggo and his rubbish French all year).

Edit: just found this from the same newspaper: http://www.scotsman.com/scotland-on...the-wit-and-wisdom-of-a-worthy-hero-1-2426193

 

[mastersracer]

If its so easy to explain - then can you explain di Gregario and Schleck? Or were they just lazy and decided to go for major gains rather than marginal ones?

If the leading edge of doping is Ozone injections and Xipamide, then anti-doping enforcement is working. Here's the point that's missing from those: doping positives are now negatively correlated with performance.

 

[Darryl Webster]

This Tour victory is the easiest to explain in a long time. A better prepared team, a weak field, absence of the rider who would have won it (Contador), absence of the team leader of 2nd strongest Tour team (RSNT), crashes of other team leaders (Garmin, etc), most other teams riding for stage wins, Nibali and Liquigas main competitor for GC - clearly a weaker team, and the most favorable route for Wiggins ever. Easy to explain this one.

I could accept that If they,d had to fight for it but they haven't. Has any team since Merckx dominated so many stage races in one season like the 3 year old Sky team has this year?. I dont think so.
Not even UPS.
Were getting bul**** after bul**** ..not a single valid reason that can stand up to scrutiny.. we've even got veiled comments emerging from within the peloton but the fanboys NEVER deal with the evidence but trot out the same crap that the team and mainstream and vested interested media trots out.
"training harder", .."marginal gains".."warming down"..more dedication . Its a bloody insult to our intelligence and and insult to the peloton that's gonna backfire on em.
The sooner the better.

 

[sittingbison]

This Tour victory is the easiest to explain in a long time...Easy to explain this one.

Yup, easy as pie:
Wiggo 82kg to 69kg, suddenly a climber, much faster at ITT no loss of power in prologue
Froome large weight loss best climber in field, 2nd best ITTer, deadly blood parasite, no pedigree whatsoever except suspicious 2011 Veulta out of blue
Rogers large weight loss for climbing improvement with associated lack of ITT ability (see Wiggo), best ever power outputs, hour plus mountain tempo with accelerations every day in Alps and Pyrenees
Porte tempo with accelerations every day in Alps and Pyrenees with no pedigree, but still manages ITT performance (see Wiggo, Froome, Rogers)
Leinders (sic) renowned doping doctor hired by anti-doping outfit with lunatic explanations and excuses
No transparency from Team Sky
Bizarre contradictory public utterances from Wiggo re: doping
Tenerife ('nuff said)
Marginal increments actually massive increments
Maillot Jeune since stage 7? Could have been every day except for damned Cancellara and 10 seconds yup TEN SECONDS

I'm sure I've missed something %)

There you go, easily explained lol except it's never explained, just derided.

 

[the big ring]

(thinking of people like Richard Moore and Daniel Friebe, who couldn't agree enough when Wiggo claimed he hadn't gotten any praise, despite them having drooled over Wiggo and his rubbish French all year).

Moore just paid out Friebe for saying "Wiggins decimated the field" in the final TT, and they are both authors. The content of their argument made me cringe

According to the French people I am currently hanging out with, Wiggins speaks French like a native. Sure fire way of being loved by them.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

If the leading edge of doping is Ozone injections and Xipamide, then anti-doping enforcement is working. Here's the point that's missing from those: doping positives are now negatively correlated with performance.

Which of course is a very big if.
IF you think that using a masking agent is the extent of Schlecks doping then you have a very naive view of modern doping methods.

 

[Cerberus]

Which of course is a very big if.
IF you think that using a masking agent is the extent of Schlecks doping then you have a very naive view of modern doping methods.

Come now, I'm sure that Schleck, much like Basso, considered doping, but never went though with it. Sadly he confused the masking agent he'd procured with his vitamin shots and that's how this entire sad episode happened.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

The extreme physique of Twiggo and Skeletor is a sign that they are doing something different, or pushing the limit in a way that others do not. Everyone else in the top 10 looks much more natural and healthy than those two.

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

Cavendish doesn't really sprint anymore. He now rides the entire peloton off his wheel with 300m to go.

 

[thamask]

even in the final stage just then they made a total mess of pelaton.....wiggo leads em all the way till 1km out.....

 

[DirtyWorks]

Here we go again with the magic crystal ball stuff.

If you say Porte did substantially more work in this years tour than in any of those other GTs in which he was top 5 or 6 in the final ITT, then PROVE it. Post links to SRM datafiles

Fair point. Using just facts, how is it that all this awesome power isn't a year-round display? We're talking Merckx-Hinault talent with Sky's GT team. aaaaannnnd no year-round results?????

 

[Darryl Webster]

OMFG.. Brads podium speech " some dreams do come true"

Pharmstrong , " I feel sorry for those who don't believe in miracles "

 

[TheGeneral]

OMFG.. Brads podium speech " some dreams do come true"

Pharmstrong , " I feel sorry for those who don't believe in miracles "

^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is that You Floyd.

 

[Dead Star]

Putting my cynicism aside for one moment, I did chuckle at the ra tickets comment. Typical humour from us that nobody el would get

 

[mastersracer]

Yup, easy as pie:
Wiggo 82kg to 69kg, suddenly a climber, much faster at ITT no loss of power in prologue
Froome large weight loss best climber in field, 2nd best ITTer, deadly blood parasite, no pedigree whatsoever except suspicious 2011 Veulta out of blue
Rogers large weight loss for climbing improvement with associated lack of ITT ability (see Wiggo), best ever power outputs, hour plus mountain tempo with accelerations every day in Alps and Pyrenees
Porte tempo with accelerations every day in Alps and Pyrenees with no pedigree, but still manages ITT performance (see Wiggo, Froome, Rogers)
Leinders (sic) renowned doping doctor hired by anti-doping outfit with lunatic explanations and excuses
No transparency from Team Sky
Bizarre contradictory public utterances from Wiggo re: doping
Tenerife ('nuff said)
Marginal increments actually massive increments
Maillot Jeune since stage 7? Could have been every day except for damned Cancellara and 10 seconds yup TEN SECONDS

I'm sure I've missed something %)

There you go, easily explained lol except it's never explained, just derided.

The sorry fact that these threads ignore is that the power outputs - the only objective, quantitative, and comparative metric of performance - are the lowest in years. What looks impressive in terms of relative performance is less impressive in terms of absolute performance. Everything you point to is entirely consistent with non-doping. When one begins with the assumption of doping, which seems to be the starting point of this forum, then everything is evidence of doping. Confirmation bias explains this forum. Yawn.