Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Darryl Webster]

"yeh, two dodgy "doctors" and two iffy DS, s"

 

[jyhjyh]

"yeh, two dodgy "doctors" and two iffy DS, s"

I just wish that he had zipped his jersey

 

[Aguirre]

It was meant to be a question

Is it possible to maintain the Algarve - P-N - Romandie - DL - TdF on a transfusion cycle?

forget the transfussion issue, this new sky doping system is ahead of everything yet know. And they claim their results as being the proof of a cleaner cycling.

I expect a normal result from froome at the vuelta, if not, if he continues same way of destruction, things would turn more suspect.

 

[Aguirre]

The Vuelta is pretty easy for a GT. Short stages, not many climbs in the high mountains, many teams made up of filler, riders generally more tired after a long season, or in prep mode for the Worlds.

are you serious or just ironic? do you know what does it mean to compete at such level? are you thinking froome or any other TdF contender can go to the vuelta and to pee to the riders are preparing the vuelta exclusively? (contador, anton, rodriguez, etc?)

ah, of course someone like froomy he can

 

[doperhopper]

in any case, Wiggo is calling for one nice little Ulle-style out-of-competition test and maybe a winter ban, who knows what was in these drinks he was tweeting about:


Bradley Wiggins
✔
@bradwiggins

Well what a day, blind drunk at the minute and overwhelmed with all the messages, Thank You everyone it's been emotional X

 

[hrotha]

are you serious or just ironic? do you know what does it mean to compete at such level? are you thinking froome or any other TdF contender can go to the vuelta and to pee to the riders are preparing the vuelta exclusively? (contador, anton, rodriguez, etc?)

ah, of course someone like froomy he can

"The Vuelta is pretty easy for a GT" is 100%, factually correct. People like Purito or Sastre have done both the Tour and the Vuelta recently (Sastre went from winning the Tour to 3rd at the Vuelta; Purito was 7th and 4th).

 

[Aguirre]

"The Vuelta is pretty easy for a GT" is 100%, factually correct. People like Purito or Sastre have done both the Tour and the Vuelta recently (Sastre went from winning the Tour to 3rd at the Vuelta; Purito was 7th and 4th).

yes, of course, but you should consider many factors, as sastre being a fondist able to do the 3 gran tours, the participation of that year, that there were more weeks in between, no Olympics, etc, and, the most important any of them destroyed their rivals as froome do.

also the psicological factor of geing in the target of media attention after the TdF, stress factors, etc

it's fine if froome goes to the vuelta and makes a top 10, even top 5, beyond that will be like alien...

 

[Normandy]

I just wish that he had zipped his jersey

Well for once the image makers have got it right

Picture sums up Wiggins and Sky - Tasteless, tacky, cheap and vulgar

 

[Mishrak]

I don't know much about track cycling, but since the British just set a new world record in the qualifier, and two of those guys in that squad are from team Sky (Thomas and Kennaugh), would that be enough to tip the scales assuming the other two non-Sky riders are clean?

If Froome beats Contador in the Vuelta...I'll eat my handlebar tape.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gre...&ns_source=cyclingnews&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0

 

[Franklin]

Well for once the image makers have got it right

Picture sums up Wiggins and Sky - Tasteless, tacky, cheap and vulgar

I'm not seeing any contribution in your statement. None at all.

We can discuss the facts without resorting to these slurs.

 

[The Real GFY]

Gullible? I'll tell you who's gullible: AAA (armchair anti-doping authority) idiots who automatically assume that Wiggins is doping just because he won the Tour.

I actually feel sorry for people who have been so worn down by the years of doping and cheating that they've lost all ability to discern genuinely clean riders.

Evans won last year's Tour as a clean rider, and Bradley Wiggins won this year's Tour as a clean rider. Eat it.

He's dirtier than a rider's chamois after a rainy Paris Roubaix. He's dirtier than a wh*re's underwear.

What do I get to eat?

 

[TubularBills]

Any chance The Beatles doped simply for recognition?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Sky should set up a woman team and use all these trackies, they will be successful just like bradley wiggins.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Sky should set up a woman team and use all these trackies, they will be successful just like bradley wiggins.

Why? You saw the next gen at the team pursuit with Thomas as the new Wiggo.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Why? You saw the next gen at the team pursuit with Thomas as the new Wiggo.

Thomas is a woman?

 

[Ripper]

Thomas is a woman?

That's why his next doctor will be a gynecologist

 

[Armchaircyclist]

Something for all the good skyfans at the clinic )

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[Armchaircyclist]

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[buckle]

That's why his next doctor will be a gynacologist

The good doctor should be used to examining ***** like Wiggins for example.

 

[krinaman]

Gullible? I'll tell you who's gullible: AAA (armchair anti-doping authority) idiots who automatically assume that Wiggins is doping just because he won the Tour.

I actually feel sorry for people who have been so worn down by the years of doping and cheating that they've lost all ability to discern genuinely clean riders.

Evans won last year's Tour as a clean rider, and Bradley Wiggins won this year's Tour as a clean rider. Eat it.

As others have asked, how does one "discern genuinely clean riders". Because from what I've seen the method employed by most fans is: The more they like a rider the cleaner he is, the more they dislike a rider the dirtier he is.

 

[mb2612]

As others have asked, how does one "discern genuinely clean riders". Because from what I've seen the method employed by most fans is: The more they like a rider the cleaner he is, the more they dislike a rider the dirtier he is.

I generally like the riders who have spent two years off cycling for doping and have come back worse.

At least I know they are not doping as much, and that they have missed out on their prime earning potential because of their doping.

Basso and Vino basically.

Apart from that I mainly cheer for the underdog/attacking riders, as that makes racing more exciting.

 

[buckle]

Gullible? I'll tell you who's gullible: AAA (armchair anti-doping authority) idiots who automatically assume that Wiggins is doping just because he won the Tour.

I actually feel sorry for people who have been so worn down by the years of doping and cheating that they've lost all ability to discern genuinely clean riders.

Evans won last year's Tour as a clean rider, and Bradley Wiggins won this year's Tour as a clean rider. Eat it.

He didn't just win the Tour he won everything! Better than Merckx and even marginally better than Contador when fully juiced.

 

[will10]

Gullible? I'll tell you who's gullible: AAA (armchair anti-doping authority) idiots who automatically assume that Wiggins is doping just because he won the Tour.

I actually feel sorry for people who have been so worn down by the years of doping and cheating that they've lost all ability to discern genuinely clean riders.

Evans won last year's Tour as a clean rider, and Bradley Wiggins won this year's Tour as a clean rider. Eat it.

I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles, the 2012 version.

 

[Mr.38%]

"yeh, two dodgy "doctors" and two iffy DS, s"

 

[Krebs cycle]

AFIR: It´s taken out, prepared w/Epo, frozen in fridges, re-infused in GT´s. The whole process takes 3 months, and you can´t repeate it many times since you´d lose to much blood to train. It makes perfectly sense for riders like Armstrong or Ulle, who peaked only once per season.

This is what Michael Ashenden told me personally circa 2007-08. So yes, that would imply that those riders and teams that perform poorly in the lead up and then suddenly improve at the tour are more suspicious than riders and teams that have a string of solid performances. The other thing that Asho told me is that he doesn't think microdosing on its own gives the same performance advantage as blood doping.

Basically the master dope of Sky can&#180]Asho also told me that he and others in the anti-doping community had been contact with drug manufacturers regarding new products. What WADA are trying to do is red flag potential PEDs whilst in the development stage. This is precisely why Ricco was busted so easily and it looks as though the process has become more formalized since then also....

http://www.ifpma.org/fileadmin/cont...GOAL_Points_to_Consider_Booklet_20120717_.pdf


So another yes, it is possible that mystery designer PEDs are available, but there is also the possibility that a mystery test to detect their use by athletes already exists.

edit: the CERA test was in development for 4yrs prior to Ricco getting busted.