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Okay, I was 50/50 on what you meant, flipped a coin and failed.
Probably because I hadn't managed to read the bolded part....
Valv.Piti said:Yes of course, thats what I mean - that Soler and Amador definitely can handle the cobbles.tobydawq said:Valv.Piti said:
Did someone not watch Paris-Roubaix this year?
Moviestar: You think Soler is skipping the Tour?
Okay, I was 50/50 on what you meant, flipped a coin and failed.
Probably because I hadn't managed to read the bolded part....
Re: Re:
Yes, especially after this performance. On beforehand there were already some doubts of his participance in the Tour. I posted an article not so long ago in this thread.
Valv.Piti said:Yes of course, thats what I mean - that Soler and Amador definitely can handle the cobbles.tobydawq said:Valv.Piti said:
Did someone not watch Paris-Roubaix this year?
Moviestar: You think Soler is skipping the Tour?
Yes, especially after this performance. On beforehand there were already some doubts of his participance in the Tour. I posted an article not so long ago in this thread.
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Why is it that a rider who has won Paris-Nice should not be ready for the Tour at the age of 24?
I think he is perfectly ready (if it's because of the form he showed today, it's another story, but that doesn't seem to be the reason for your opinion). People at 19 and 20 have occasionally ridden the Tour.
Koronin said:
Why is it that a rider who has won Paris-Nice should not be ready for the Tour at the age of 24?
I think he is perfectly ready (if it's because of the form he showed today, it's another story, but that doesn't seem to be the reason for your opinion). People at 19 and 20 have occasionally ridden the Tour.
- Aug 3, 2015
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Cannot see why he shouldn't be going either - he won't get a protected role in La Vuelta anyways since Movistar will send the amigos to Spain. He isn't one of those skinny climbers either, he can fight for himself, he has ridden a GT previously etc. If he had form, he should definitely be on the team, but it seems he isn't in top shape.tobydawq said:
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He hasn't had any form this month at all. I don't think he's learned how to recover from his spring peak to be at a good level for July yet. Right now I think pushing to send him to the Tour isn't right. He needs to learn how to go from a spring peak to being in good form again for July and I don't think he's there yet.
tobydawq said:
He hasn't had any form this month at all. I don't think he's learned how to recover from his spring peak to be at a good level for July yet. Right now I think pushing to send him to the Tour isn't right. He needs to learn how to go from a spring peak to being in good form again for July and I don't think he's there yet.
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If we don't think Soler will be selected, my guess is it will be: Valv, Landa, Quin, Amador, Oliveira, Rojas, Benna and Erviti. Benna was super good in Suisse (he positioned Quintana at the absolute front before Arosa) and Erviti seems in very good shape as well. At least I think I would prefer those two over Sutterlin.
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I don't think Erviti was ever a question, I think he was going as soon as the list came out. I agree with you that Benna is very likely going. At this point I think the last spot is between Oliveira and Sutterlin. I think Oliveira is a slightly better climber giving him the edge for the team.
Valv.Piti said:
I don't think Erviti was ever a question, I think he was going as soon as the list came out. I agree with you that Benna is very likely going. At this point I think the last spot is between Oliveira and Sutterlin. I think Oliveira is a slightly better climber giving him the edge for the team.
- Apr 16, 2009
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I would put the money on Oliveira because of the climbing and he is good time trialist.
Now I am not sure about Rojas. I would put Soler instead.
Now I am not sure about Rojas. I would put Soler instead.
The Soler situation is a pretty clear example of what’s best for the rider versus what’s best for the team. I think most teams would take him as his dual climber / rouleur skill set is just so valuable in an 8 man squad (and even more so when three of the eight are there as leaders). But Movistar have been very careful with him so far and it has worked so maybe they have enough dedication to to their plan for his development to resist the temptation.
As an aside, it occurs to me that Soler is exactly the kind of rider Sky absolutely love. Given that they seem intent on hiring every super-domestique / secondary leader who is at home both climbing and on the flat in the whole peloton, I wonder how long it will be before they wave a big cheque at him.
As an aside, it occurs to me that Soler is exactly the kind of rider Sky absolutely love. Given that they seem intent on hiring every super-domestique / secondary leader who is at home both climbing and on the flat in the whole peloton, I wonder how long it will be before they wave a big cheque at him.
Have I missed someone or is this really the first time since 2006 (Garate) that another team won the national road race in spain?
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Plaza won in 2009 riding for Liberty Seguros, he went to Caisse d'Epargne only the following winter.
http://firstcycling.com/race.php?r=1199&y=2009
http://firstcycling.com/race.php?r=1199&y=2009
- Jun 6, 2017
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Although Soler is much better rider already, I think we all underestimate how valuable rider Rojas is, as a domestique particularly. He can ride on pretty much every terrain, he's good uphill, downhill, on the flat, you name it... and he rarely disappoints ( if ever), he's always in good condition and rides his heart out for his leader(s), especially for Valverde.
Soler in top shape is no doubt a better rider, but I think his shape is questionable, and if that's the case I would pick Rojas over him any day of the week.
Escarabajo said:
Although Soler is much better rider already, I think we all underestimate how valuable rider Rojas is, as a domestique particularly. He can ride on pretty much every terrain, he's good uphill, downhill, on the flat, you name it... and he rarely disappoints ( if ever), he's always in good condition and rides his heart out for his leader(s), especially for Valverde.
Soler in top shape is no doubt a better rider, but I think his shape is questionable, and if that's the case I would pick Rojas over him any day of the week.
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skippo12 said:
Small note, Garate won in 2005. In 2006 there was no race, the riders were striking against the Puerto investigation
Andrey Amador
Daniele Bennati
Imanol Erviti
Jose Joaquin Rojas
Marc Soler
Mikel Landa
Nairo Quintana
Alejandro Valverde
Daniele Bennati
Imanol Erviti
Jose Joaquin Rojas
Marc Soler
Mikel Landa
Nairo Quintana
Alejandro Valverde
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