Team Type 1 - Pro tour?

[kurtinsc]

You are attributing what could be neglect to malice.

If they knowingly withheld his insulin, it was malice. There's no "I didn't know" excuse for someone who is themselves a type 1 diabetic.

Withholding insulin from a diabetic = deliberate attempt to harm/kill. There's no other way around it.

 

[michaeld]

Maybe they can sell red wristbands. New jerseys with a big "51" or something on them. How about endorsing a spin bike?

 

[BroDeal]

If they knowingly withheld his insulin, it was malice. There's no "I didn't know" excuse for someone who is themselves a type 1 diabetic.

Withholding insulin from a diabetic = deliberate attempt to harm/kill. There's no other way around it.

Yup, if they knowingly tried to kill him then they tried to kill him. And if they knowingly cut the brake line on his car then they "attempted to harm/kill," but if they were too self absorbed with flying around the world to maintain the car then it's neglect.

 

[kurtinsc]

Yup, if they knowingly tried to kill him then they tried to kill him. And if they knowingly cut the brake line on his car then they "attempted to harm/kill," but if they were too self absorbed with flying around the world to maintain the car then it's neglect.

In this case... the car can ask for help.

If he never asked for insulin... I'm not really sure if he's got anything to complain about. That's where the "communication" comments I made came in.

I don't think it's the job of the team managers to monitor if a rider is testing his blood sugar, giving the correct amount of insulin to cover his food intake, or magically know when a rider has run out of insulin and needs more.

This really is an either-or scenario.

Either the kid didn't tell anyone that he needed supplies... in which case he really can't blame anyone for not getting them.

Or the kid did ask for needed supplies and was intentionally not given them... which shows intentional harm.

If all the other riders with diabetes were able to aquire their insulin... either there was a major communication breakdown with just one kid... or they were trying to harm him. A neglectful environment due to them galavanting around on a jet like you seem to want to paint doesn't work if the other riders weren't having the same issues as this kid... and according to the article he seems to indicate that he was the only one who wasn't given supplies.

Unless you think it's the responsibility of the team to actually manage his diabetes for him? To me, it seems analagous to me getting ****ed at the local pharmacy for not sending me insulin even if I don't go up and ask for some.

 

[cyclingPRpro]

Look, I know Phil... there's no way it played out exactly like that. Period. If the kid had asked for anything control related he'd have gotten it.

And no, I don't work for TT1.

 

[dolophonic]

Maybe they can sell red wristbands. New jerseys with a big "51" or something on them. How about endorsing a spin bike?

Yes, exactly.
Is the purpose to raise awareness for diabetes or spend a boat load of money to race the Tour? I don't necessarily think the two go hand in hand.

 

[joe_papp]

If I remember correctly, the whole thing was started by Joe Papp to drive some traffic to his blog. Phil Southerland responded to cycling news questioning about it with this:

Actually, you remembered incorrectly. Leaving aside the fact that I have no practical or fanciful reason to drive traffic to my blog, if you aren't sure about something you think might be a fact and you're going to ascribe some action to me, why not attempt to contact me first and verify the basis for your claim? It's not like I'm hard to reach.

I didn't "start" anything...the catalyst for the problems in Team Type 1 has all along been the founder, who last year was convinced that Mike Creed was actually undertaking a public campaign to destabilize the team and bring it into disrepute with the sponsors by assuming the identity of a fictional Canadian single-mother who lived in the PacNW, who posted to Twitter rude comments about Phil's extravagant spending while legitimate race-related expenses were not being reimbursed.

Talk to people who've been involved in the program, but who are no longer, to actually understand their perspective on what's been wrong. Unfortunately, I doubt any will go on the record publicly, as they still aspire to "make a living" in cycling. It shouldn't be hard to figure out who's not working there or riding for them anymore, track them down and actually ask them a question or two, rather than just speculating about it online while erring on relaying certain facts.

As an aside, it's disappointing to again see Willem Van den Eynde being blamed here for actually complaining about his mistreatment.

 

[kurtinsc]

Actually, you remembered incorrectly. Leaving aside the fact that I have no practical or fanciful reason to drive traffic to my blog, if you aren't sure about something you think might be a fact and you're going to ascribe some action to me, why not attempt to contact me first and verify the basis for your claim? It's not like I'm hard to reach.

I didn't "start" anything...the catalyst for the problems in Team Type 1 has all along been the founder, who last year was convinced that Mike Creed was actually undertaking a public campaign to destabilize the team and bring it into disrepute with the sponsors by assuming the identity of a fictional Canadian single-mother who lived in the PacNW, who posted to Twitter rude comments about Phil's extravagant spending while legitimate race-related expenses were not being reimbursed.

Talk to people who've been involved in the program, but who are no longer, to actually understand their perspective on what's been wrong. Unfortunately, I doubt any will go on the record publicly, as they still aspire to "make a living" in cycling. It shouldn't be hard to figure out who's not working there or riding for them anymore, track them down and actually ask them a question or two, rather than just speculating about it online while erring on relaying certain facts.

As an aside, it's disappointing to again see Willem Van den Eynde being blamed here for actually complaining about his mistreatment.

Papp... so far the only report of financial issues with TT1 I've seen is your blog. Maybe there's something on twitter... but I simply don't use that and don't view it as news to be honest.

So... yeah, the whole thing pretty much was started by you. You're the only non-twitter report of it, and the only thing I've found that referenced relating to financial difficulties.

As for Willem Van den Eynde, I'm not blaming him in the slightest. But I AM a diabetic, and I find parts of his story incredibly unreasonable. For it to be true as the translated version of that one news story says... then the management of TT1 actively attempted to kill him immediately after recruiting him to the team. For his statements to be true, it would have been a knowing attempt at murder as any type 1 diabetic knows what witholding insuling means... death within a week.

I believe he had a bad situation with the team. I believe he had conflicts with Southerland and others on the team. I believe he didn't get what he expected when he signed with them.

But I don't think they tried to murder him. I don't think they withheld food or insulin to a diabetic. If he didn't ask for them, then perhaps he had some problems. I can believe communication was an issue. But not what he described... which amounts to attempted murder.

I have no idea if the team environment sucks or not. Perhaps they should be paying for riders to go to the races... but it sounds very much like they were told before hand they would not be reimbursed and that it wasn't a team race. Perhaps Phil travels too much and spends too much money. But frankly, they seem to have the money to send their riders to much more expensive overseas races that they choose to, so it feels odd to claim they have financial issues... they simply won't pay for riders to race in races other then where the team chooses. Is that bad?

The only issue from everything I've seen is if they tried to kill Willem Van den Eynde or not. Because it's not some sort of professional mistreatment... if he's not exaggerating the truth it is attempted murder.

 

[joe_papp]

Papp... so far the only report of financial issues with TT1 I've seen is your blog. Maybe there's something on twitter... but I simply don't use that and don't view it as news to be honest.

OK, you're right. By writing this post http://joepapp.blogspot.com/2010/07/team-type-1-slipping-into-coma.html I was the catalyst for Team Type 1's not getting into the Giro.

 

[kurtinsc]

OK, you're right. By writing this post http://joepapp.blogspot.com/2010/07/team-type-1-slipping-into-coma.html I was the catalyst for Team Type 1's not getting into the Giro.

No... the reason they didn't get into the Giro was they didn't have a good enough roster. I haven't heard anything suggesting it has anything to do with finances.

Did it make you feel good commenting about something completely unrelated in order to attempt to score a point and insert a link to you blog?

 

[joe_papp]

No... the reason they didn't get into the Giro was they didn't have a good enough roster. I haven't heard anything suggesting it has anything to do with finances.

Did it make you feel good commenting about something completely unrelated in order to attempt to score a point and insert a link to you blog?

LMFAO - if you read back to the beginning of the thread, you'll see that I wasn't the one who brought myself/my name into this. And yes, it felt great.

 

[kurtinsc]

LMFAO - if you read back to the beginning of the thread, you'll see that I wasn't the one who brought myself/my name into this. And yes, it felt great.

Yes well... as I said your blog post was the only article of any kind I can find stating TT1 had any financial troubles. Your sources appear to be... twitter or at least you don't seem to be up to providing others.

If you think bringing your blog that is the only source of any questions about TT1's finances into a thread where their financial problems were mentioned is unwarranted or an attack on you... you probably should quit blogging.

But whatever. Good luck in May.

 

[skidmark]

So... a question to you:

Is there any feasible scenario with TT1 having space to sign 6-7 riders where they might be able to upgrade their team enough to warrant a PT spot? Based on guys we think might be on the market and might risk a shot at a team like TT1.

I don't think so. I have no idea how they're funded, though. Their showing in Strade Bianche was surprisingly good. But a surprising showing in a good 1.1 race does not a proteam make. I mean, Antomarchi won the stage in Haut Var and got 2nd overall, but no one is thinking club Pomme Roubaix is going to get in the upper echelon. So yeah, I agree with your assessment, they're a unique team in their spin, but there's no way their goals are realistic. It's too bad to see a disease used as an attention-grabbing and hopeless hope-inducing tactic in cycling (that's how I'm reading it at least)... but I guess the way has been paved for that.

 

[kurtinsc]

I don't think so. I have no idea how they're funded, though. Their showing in Strade Bianche was surprisingly good. But a surprising showing in a good 1.1 race does not a proteam make. I mean, Antomarchi won the stage in Haut Var and got 2nd overall, but no one is thinking club Pomme Roubaix is going to get in the upper echelon. So yeah, I agree with your assessment, they're a unique team in their spin, but there's no way their goals are realistic. It's too bad to see a disease used as an attention-grabbing and hopeless hope-inducing tactic in cycling (that's how I'm reading it at least)... but I guess the way has been paved for that.

Well, I don't view TT1 quite that way. Perhaps I'm clouded by the fact I am a diabetic, but when I see that says the focus of their operation is to show that diabetics can be successful in cycling that is the only professional team with multiple diabetics on their roster (they may be the only one with any), and that has a womens and lower level teams that are nearly entirely made up of diabetic riders... it seems fairly above board.

But hey... I cheer for diabetic athletes in any sport just as a rule of thumb. I like Jay Cutler in the NFL, the swimmer Garry Hall Jr, Chris Dudley and Adam Morrison in the NBA for the same reasons... all are type 1 diabetics able to compete at the highest level of their respective sports. So I can easily admit I have a large amount of positive bias toward the team coming out of the gate.

 

[joe_papp]

Got this email from Phil yesterday

[font=&quot]From:[/font][font=&quot] Team Type 1 Inc-Phil Southerland [mailto:Team_Type_1_Inc_Phil_Southerland@mail.vresp.com]
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 4:01 PM
To: joe...
Subject: Phil's Book-Not Dead Yet-Need Your Support[/font]

Dear Friends, Colleagues, and Supporters:

I’m really excited for the publication of my memoir, Not Dead Yet, and can't wait for the world to see it! The book makes its debut in two months, and my goal is to sell 15,000 copies in the first week and inspire people around the world with the book's message that anything is possible. I’m hoping you will all be willing to help me reach my goal: today, I’m asking each of you to please reach out to your closest friends and family, and your entire group of facebook friends, to tell them about my book. If you’re at a loss for words, below is a suggestion you can copy and paste then email to everyone you know. I appreciate your help in getting the word out to the masses.

If you would like to read chapters 1 and 2, and reserve a copy of your own, please visit our new Team Type 1 site, http://www.teamtype1.org/book/

Thank you again for all of your support, and for helping to make a difference in lives around the world.

Have a great day.


Suggestion email:

Dear __,

My dear friend Phil Southerland has just finished writing a memoir about growing up with type 1 diabetes. In it, Phil tells the story of how he turned his diagnosis and his passion for cycling into a global movement to positively affect the lives of people with diabetes. The book is called Not Dead Yet: My Race Against Disease from Diagnosis to Dominance. This heartfelt story is sure to inspire and inform thousands of individuals and families around the world that anything is possible.

In the book, Phil shares many personal stories and the insights he gained about diabetes throughout his life. His story begins with a panicked trip to the emergency room as a seven-month-old, where his mother was informed that he displayed the youngest case of diabetes on record in the world at that time. He tells us how blindness, kidney failure and death were all predicted for him by age 25, but by learning to manage his diabetes from an early age he’s had a healthy and successful 29 years and counting. We see how he discovers the positive effect his perspective on diabetes has on the people he meets, and what it takes to convince Phil that his message – that a diabetic can be a successful professional athlete – is a vital one. He recalls how a chance encounter with an anonymous man in a Starbucks helped launch Team Type 1, which started as a cycling team and now has grown to become a wide-sweeping organization that is radically changing the lives of diabetics around the world. And how the team’s global partnership for better health with Sanofi-Aventis is making a huge impact on the diabetes community.

Founder and Director of Taking Control of Your Diabetes Steve Edelman says: "Not Dead Yet is an uplifting and incredibly true adventure of a young man who beats the odds. Phil is an inspiration to those who live and struggle with diabetes as well as any individual who faces seemingly insurmountable challenges.”

I’m asking you to buy the book today at http://amzn.to/Phil_Southerland or http://barnesandnoble.com/Phil-Southerland and then go to www.teamtype1.org/book to get a sneak peek at the first two chapters. I think you’ll personally enjoy Not Dead Yet and hope you’ll pass this along to a friend in need of a dose of inspiration in their own lives. You can also help us spread the message by sharing the links about the book with your friends and followers on Facebook and Twitter.



Thank you,

Name


Phil Southerland
Chief Executive Officer, Founder
Team Type 1
(C): 706-338-2344
(F): (404) 591-7930
www.teamtype1.org
"HBA1C: Strive for 6.5"


***The Mission of Team Type 1 is to instill hope and inspiration for people around the world affected by diabetes that with appropriate diet, exercise, treatment, and technology anyone with diabetes can achieve their dreams!

 

[BroDeal]

[font=&quot]From:[/font][font=&quot] Team Type 1 Inc-Phil Southerland [mailto:Team_Type_1_Inc_Phil_Southerland@mail.vresp.com]
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 4:01 PM
To: joe...
Subject: Phil's Book-Not Dead Yet-Need Your Support[/font]

Dear Friends, Colleagues, and Supporters:

I’m really excited for the publication of my memoir, Not Dead Yet, and can't wait for the world to see it! The book makes its debut in two months, and my goal is to sell 15,000 copies in the first week and inspire people around the world with the book's message that anything is possible. I’m hoping you will all be willing to help me reach my goal: today, I’m asking each of you to please reach out to your closest friends and family, and your entire group of facebook friends, to tell them about my book. If you’re at a loss for words, below is a suggestion you can copy and paste then email to everyone you know. I appreciate your help in getting the word out to the masses.

If you would like to read chapters 1 and 2, and reserve a copy of your own, please visit our new Team Type 1 site, http://www.teamtype1.org/book/

Thank you again for all of your support, and for helping to make a difference in lives around the world.

Have a great day.

Oh, brother. What a complete load of crap.

Dear Friends, Colleagues, and Suckers:

I’m really excited for the publication of my memoir, Not Dead Yet, and can't wait to make money from it! The book makes its debut in two months, and my goal is to sell 15,000--Ka Ching!--copies in the first week and make those bucks from people around the world who think they need to be inspired. The book's message is that it is easy to make bank when you wrap yourself in a sympathetic cause. I’m hoping you will all be willing to help me make the moolah. Today I’m asking each of you to please reach out to your closest friends and family, and your entire group of facebook friends, to tell them to buy my book. If you’re at a loss for words and cannot think of a subtle way to get your friends to open their wallets, below is a suggestion you can copy and paste then email to everyone you know. I appreciate your help in exploiting this disease for my benefit.

Have a great day.

 

[BroDeal]

All of TT1's gear stolen in Italy. There is probably a good joke about this, but I cannot think of one.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/thieves-steal-team-type-1-bikes-and-equipment

 

[craig1985]

All of TT1's gear stolen in Italy. There is probably a good joke about this, but I cannot think of one.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/thieves-steal-team-type-1-bikes-and-equipment

How is that funny? I know you think certain members of the team's management are lying con artists of the highest order, but I don't think the riders are too thrilled at the prospect that their equipment has been nabbed and they can't race.

It's happened before, Barloworld and Silence-Lotto (as they were known then) had their bikes stolen.

 

[BroDeal]

How is that funny? I know you think certain members of the team's management are lying con artists of the highest order, but I don't think the riders are too thrilled at the prospect that their equipment has been nabbed and they can't race.

Just sayin' there is probably a good crack about this. I considered posting it as "Team Type 1 loses bikes instead of feet" but figured uptight people would get mad at me.

It sounds like the team should have hired someone to watch their stuff. How the hell does all of a team's gear get nicked?

 

[craig1985]

**** happens I guess. I could of easily have walked of with Sergio Paulinho's TT bike from the '07 TDF, as he left outside the Discovery Channel RV, and nobody was watching.

I mean it's unlucky that it all gets stolen, maybe having security at night watching the team buses might be the answer. They shouldn't get too far as there only a limited amount of the TT1 bikes with the riders names on them, and I'm pretty certain Italy has laws against receiving stolen (or buying) goods. I daresay these thieves won't be contenders for Italy's Dumbest Thieves (should such a program exist) and know what they are doing.

 

[BroDeal]

**** happens I guess. I could of easily have walked of with Sergio Paulinho's TT bike from the '07 TDF, as he left outside the Discovery Channel RV, and nobody was watching.

Yeah...but one bike is not half a million euros worth of gear. They must have stolen everything.

I mean it's unlucky that it all gets stolen, maybe having security at night watching the team buses might be the answer. They shouldn't get too far as there only a limited amount of the TT1 bikes with the riders names on them, and I'm pretty certain Italy has laws against receiving stolen (or buying) goods. I daresay these thieves won't be contenders for Italy's Dumbest Thieves (should such a program exist) and know what they are doing.

They could part out the bikes, remove any special decals/logos, wait four months before selling, and sell the stuff in another country. The bike frames probably could not be safely sold.