Teams want independent investigation of UCI

[thehog]

I’ve said this before. Anti-doping can’t just be testing. It has to be the entire process. Education, rehabilitation and regular consultation with riders, teams, managers and the UCI. Its none of these things.

Any rider who wishes to come back from suspension must undertake an education and rehabilitation course.

There should also be a quarterly anti-doping doping conference between the teams and the UCI.

The UCI also needs to start publishing (anonymous) blood data on the peloton.

They’ve got to work at the Doctors also. Any team Doctor should have an UCI accreditation. i.e. they have to undertake an education program and past a test on clean cycling to practice within cycling. Using a non-authorized Doctor results in a 3-month rest period from the sport.

This is not hard. It’s not rocket science. There just has to be the will.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

The fundamental problem is that any reform means the erosion of the power of certain groups within the peloton.

Reform means a weakening of the control that the UCI and National Feds have on doping control/testing.

It means that they can no longer protect their golden boys.

No one likes the uncertainty that an independent testing body might bring.

Teams don't want to give up knowing that a phone call can make a test go away. Teams don't want independent figures sniffing around their cash-machines.

The riders don't want the 'you pretend to ride clean and we'll pretend to test' regime to end.

The hack media like CN don't want their nice cosy relationship interrupted either.

Every step of the way the old guard and omerta-ists don't want change.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

The only thing that will make cycling really crack down/reform is when sponsors start to pull out en masse.

Which is why comments about the 'perception' seem to suggest that its not about getting rid of dopers but having better PR.

that will never happen though as new sponsors are standing in line, despite the crisis. any publicity is good publicity

 

[thehog]

The fundamental problem is that any reform means the erosion of the power of certain groups within the peloton.

Reform means a weakening of the control that the UCI and National Feds have on doping control/testing.

It means that they can no longer protect their golden boys.

No one likes the uncertainty that an independent testing body might bring.

Teams don't want to give up knowing that a phone call can make a test go away. Teams don't want independent figures sniffing around their cash-machines.

The riders don't want the 'you pretend to ride clean and we'll pretend to test' regime to end.

The hack media like CN don't want their nice cosy relationship interrupted either.

Every step of the way the old guard and omerta-ists don't want change.

To some degree you hit the nail on the head. Why does the UCI tolerate doping. Why do they allow loopholes? Control. They would never want a situation of real anti-doping. They’d lose control of the result. By controlling the anti-doping as they do they control the riders and often the result.

 

[Cycle Chic]

To some degree you hit the nail on the head. Why does the UCI tolerate doping. Why do they allow loopholes? Control. They would never want a situation of real anti-doping. They’d lose control of the result. By controlling the anti-doping as they do they control the riders and often the result.

And that controls TV viewing which equals money.....Imagine a clean peloton...how many people would tune in and watch the TDF or any race that would be extremely long ? A 5 hour stage is average at present. So clean - I imagine it would be 6 or 7 hours long.

The Mountain stages ?? even longer. Fast forward to todays racing. Froome, Contador, Valverde dancing up the mountains. As Robert Millar states in his article..

eventually the lesser teams caught up and everyone could ride up a mountain at 30kmh with their mouths closed

Insane pace, exciting rivalries...it all makes for good TV viewing.

 

[Benotti69]

And that controls TV viewing which equals money.....Imagine a clean peloton...how many people would tune in and watch the TDF or any race that would be extremely long ? A 5 hour stage is average at present. So clean - I imagine it would be 6 or 7 hours long.

The Mountain stages ?? even longer. Fast forward to todays racing. Froome, Contador, Valverde dancing up the mountains. As Robert Millar states in his article..

Insane pace, exciting rivalries...it all makes for good TV viewing.

Control equals corruption, equals accepting money to bury positives.

How much were UCI gonna get to bury Contador's Clen positive?

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Fast forward to next july

And lets not pretend all with the media never asking any questions about how these guys are able to dance up the mountains.

Harmon will pretend that there was no cycling between 1989 and 2012, as he holds the microphone in one hand and strokes himself off with the other as they ride up mountains like they are on motorbikes. Good clean Brits, wogs and dopers begin at Calais.

Meanwhile, the cycling hacks like Benson and Weislo jump on the latest bandwagon and enjoy the freebies and invites to the 'training camps' - but remember never ask any difficult questions and enjoy the free buffet.

The latest history of US cycling according to CN - there was Lemond, but that was before our time but now there is Clean Taylor Phinney and Clean Teejay, but remember aww shucks, Och has absolutely no idea what was happening for the last 15 years, and he certainly had nothing to do with anything that might have happened in that time.

Here's a flag, wrap yourself in it and remember 'this is a new era, that was all in the past'.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Here's a flag, wrap yourself in it and remember 'this is a new era, that was all in the past'.

This picture needs a porch and a rocking chair. Just sayin'

TJ is flying under the radar. Phinney has good minders and good parents and has dropped the public Lance love.

Still don't understand why we need an investigation when the clean teams are on the top of the heap +/- 5%.

Can anyone explain that to me? If the other teams really are doped, dropping their doping levels means team clean Sky will have more than 50% more PT points than any other team, and "We won the Giro clean" team clean Garmin will move up as well.

I'm very curious - why do we need an investigation? Is UCI taking too big a slice of the action from these dopers? And they want to cut out the middle man and all go direct to ASO?