Teejay Van Garderen Clinic Thread

[del1962]

Couldn't find a thread for him

Motorpaced by Lance

 

[Netserk]

Given that he is a mediocre doper, I doubt this thread will have a lot of activity, but the Lance factor may give it a boost.

 

[the sceptic]

Given that he is a mediocre doper, I doubt this thread will have a lot of activity, but the Lance factor may give it a boost.

Wrong side of the pond.

 

[bobbins]

I wish these *** would wake up and realise that not 'everyone' did it in those days.

It's just that those of us who didn't were cheated out of careers by *** kickers like Lance.

It's almost taken as ready by the new generation of cycling fans that it's all OK because they were all doing it. The spin that cancer changed him into a tour winner has been replaced by the spin that they were all doing it.

These new cycling fans are dumb as dog ***. Marginal gains, yeah that's why they won, they were all doing it so it's ok, they're clean, Dave B says they are, etc, etc.....

 

[DirtyWorks]

Two-speed Tejay? Product of USA Cycling Development Foundation and never tested positive.

It's worth mentioning, again, that George was invited to speak to the Usacdf kids earlier this year. So, Lance love is a part of being in the system.

Cleans.

 

[hrotha]

Even from a completely cynical, dirty but PR-savvy point of view, this is all sorts of stupid. Good job, Tejay.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Under the 2009 code, nothing wrong done by TJ.
Only Lance could face a consequence. Depends how you read TJ's training as being "organized". As a member of BMC and US WC teams, his obligation to be in good form may be the stretch to say that his (independent) training is part of the organization (BMC) or federation.

Nothing will come of it though. What can they do? Double secret probation?

Article 10.10.1

No Athlete or other Person who has been
declared Ineligible may, during the period of
Ineligibility, participate in any capacity in a
Competition or activity (other than authorized
anti-doping education or rehabilitation programs)
authorized or organized by any Signatory,
Signatory's member organization, or a club or
other member organization of a Signatory’s
member organization, or in Competitions
authorized or organized by any professional
league or any international- or national-level
Event organization.

Stoopid tho.

I'll leave the 2015 code discussion to that thread.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Even from a completely cynical, dirty but PR-savvy point of view, this is all sorts of stupid. Good job, Tejay.

Either he's that stupid or typical Usac, he was somehow drawn into it because of Thom. USAC's optics remain terrible because Thom is Thom and he cannot be removed.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Under the 2009 code, nothing wrong done by TJ.

You are missing the point. USAC, Thom, loves Lance in a creepy way. Even in 2015 nothing would come of it because the federation at the highest level, Thom really, is in on the sports fraud.

Also remember Och at BMC is good pals and a former employee of Wiesel as well as former leader of USAC.

Thom likes Tejay, and Tejay is doing what needs done to stay in the Emperor's good graces so it's all good.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Pro Cycling has almost no credibility.
TJVG helps keeping us way down the hole.
I think the American can make it to the TdF podium next year.

Cleans.

 

[pastronef]

little ride with Lance

http://instagram.com/p/wE3VM1GKWg/

 

[Catwhoorg]

Stupid move by him.



No pro-cyclist wanting to be taken seriously should go anywhere near Lance.

 

[pastronef]

Stupid move by him.



No pro-cyclist wanting to be taken seriously should go anywhere near Lance.

it's a problem of perception. if riding with Lance is not a problem for him that's not a problem for me.

to be taken seriously is not a goal for pro cyclists. our beloved Phinney surely rides with Lance, we just need a photo of them

 

[jens_attacks]

little ride with Lance

http://instagram.com/p/wE3VM1GKWg/

very nice photo. nice to see tejay along the texan boss

 

[DirtyWorks]

very nice photo. nice to see tejay along the texan boss

There really is no clue if the quote is attributable to Two-Speed or not, but that link includes someone posting the following.

Teejay said it quite simply "if you had an uncle who did something wrong and paid his dues who you still talk to him after? Yes of-course you would, you may not agree with what he did but you still care for him"

Family. Like mafia family and Two-speed is a made member.

 

[Benotti69]

very nice photo. nice to see tejay along the texan boss

boss of an LBC and nothing else........

 

[DirtyWorks]

Pro Cycling has almost no credibility.
TJVG helps keeping us way down the hole.
I think the American can make it to the TdF podium next year.

Cleans.

Just a little sanity check on TeJay. 2014, fifth at the TdF. If he was cleans, he would have stomped everyone in the U.S., and done extremely well as an under-23. But, no such history.

I've read stories about elite athletes transforming themselves mid-career in cycling before. It couldn't happen again. No way.

Cleans in the cleanest peloton ever.

 

[veganrob]

There really is no clue if the quote is attributable to Two-Speed or not, but that link includes someone posting the following.

Teejay said it quite simply "if you had an uncle who did something wrong and paid his dues who you still talk to him after? Yes of-course you would, you may not agree with what he did but you still care for him"

Family. Like mafia family and Two-speed is a made member.

TJ is wrong. Lance hasn't paid his dues yet.

 

[Catwhoorg]

If my uncle had stolen from my workplace, I'd sure not be bringing him to the family picnics.

Lance hasn't served his time. No-one in or around cycling (or any sports) should be giving him the time of day.

 

[pmcg76]

Just a little sanity check on TeJay. 2014, fifth at the TdF. If he was cleans, he would have stomped everyone in the U.S., and done extremely well as an under-23. But, no such history.

I've read stories about elite athletes transforming themselves mid-career in cycling before. It couldn't happen again. No way.

Cleans in the cleanest peloton ever.

Well except Tejay was racing in Europe as an U-23 with Rabobank Feeder team and has some tasty results in races like Circuit Montanes, Tour de Pays Savoie, Tour de L'Avenir etc, you know the major European U-23 races. FFS he has a podium finish at the Dauphine as a 21 yo.

Tejay if anything is the very defiition of a huge potential star on the horizon.

This is not a defence of TJVG or his behaviour in anyway, just highlighting the asbolute clueless nature of your post.

 

[spetsa]

Just a little sanity check on TeJay. 2014, fifth at the TdF. If he was cleans, he would have stomped everyone in the U.S., and done extremely well as an under-23. But, no such history.

I've read stories about elite athletes transforming themselves mid-career in cycling before. It couldn't happen again. No way.

Cleans in the cleanest peloton ever.

TJ was in fact a quite successful U23. With Rabobank. We all know how that went.

 

[Nick C.]

Here is the palmares portion of his bio from USA cycling (I know I know).

Tejay van Garderen
Date of Birth: August 12, 1988
Height: 6'1"/1.9m
Weight: 148 lbs./67 kg./10.6 st.
Place of Birth: Tacoma, Wash.
Hometown: Bozeman, Montana
Residence: Boulder, Colo.
Teams: BMC Racing Team (2012-Present), HTC Highroad (2011), Team Columbia-HTC (2010), Rabobank Continental (2008-09), VMG Racing/USA National Team (2007)


Olympic Games & UCI World Championships Results
◦2014 UCI Road World Championships, Ponferrada, Spain — 1st in team time trial (with BMC Racing Team)
◦2013 UCI Road World Championships, Toscana, Italy — 4th in team time trial (with BMC Racing Team); DNF in road race
◦2012 UCI Road World Championships, Valkenburg, Netherlands — 2nd in team time trial (with BMC Racing Team); 4th in time trial; DNF in road race
◦2012 Olympic Games, London, England — 104th in road race
◦2010 UCI Road World Championships, Geelong, Australia — 24th in time trial; DNF in road race
◦2009 UCI U23 Road World Championships, Mendrisio, Switzerland — 13th place, time trial
◦2008 UCI U23 Road World Championships, Varese, Italy — 24th place, road race

National Championship Experience
◦2nd place — 2012 Greenville Hospital System USA Cycling Professional Time Trial National Championships, Greenville, South Carolina
◦4th place — 2011 USA Cycling Professional Road National Championships, Greenville, South Carolina, Road Race
◦Junior National Time Trial Champion, 2006, Champion, Pennsylvania
◦Junior National Criterium Champion, 2005, Park City, Utah
◦Junior National Time Trial Champion, 2004, Park City, Utah
◦Junior National Cyclo-cross Champion, 2002, Napa, California
◦Total 10-time junior national champion

Career Highlights
◦1st place — 2014 USA Pro Challenge, Stages 3 & 6 (ITT) and Overall Classification
◦5th place — 2014 Tour de France, Overall Classification
◦3rd place — 2014 Volta Ciclista a Catalunya, Overall Classification
◦1st place — 2014 Volta Ciclista a Catalunya, Stage 4
◦2nd place — 2014 Tour of Oman, Stage 5 and Overall Classification
◦1st place — 2013 USA Pro Challenge, Colorado, Stage 5 (ITT) and Overall Classification
◦2nd place — 2013 Tour de France, Stage 18, Gap -> Alpe d'Huez
◦1st place — 2013 Amgen Tour of California, Stage 6 (ITT) and Overall Classification
◦1st place — 2013 Critérium International, Best Young Rider Classification
◦3rd place — 2013 Critérium International, Stage 2 (ITT) and Overall Classification
◦2nd place — 2013 Tour de San Luis, Overall Classification
◦1st place — 2012 USA Pro Cycling Challenge, Colorado, Stage 2 and Overall Classification
◦1st place — 2012 Tour de France, Best Young Rider Classification
◦4th place — 2012 Amgen Tour of California, Overall Classification
◦1st place — 2012 Paris-Nice, Best Young Rider Classification
◦3rd place — 2011 USA Pro Cycling Challenge, Colorado, Overall Classification
◦2nd place — 2011 USA Pro Cycling Challenge, Colorado, Stage 2
◦1st place — 2011 Larry H. Miller Tour of Utah, Stage 4
◦2nd place — 2011 Tour de Suisse, Prologue
◦2nd place — 2011 Volta ao Algarve, Stage 3 and Overall Classification
◦1st place — 2010 Vuelta a Espana, Stage 1 (TTT)
◦3rd place — 2010 Critérium du Dauphiné, Overall Classification
◦2nd place — 2010 Critérium du Dauphiné, Prologue
◦2nd place — 2010 Presidential Cycling Tour of Turkey, Prologue, Stage 4 and Overall Classification
◦1st place — 2009 Tour du Haut Anjou, Overall Classification
◦1st place — 2009 Olympia's Tour, Stage 1 TTT and Stage 5
◦1st place — 2008 Tour de l'Avenir, Stage 9
◦2nd place — 2008 Fleche du Sud, Stage 2 and Overall Classification

 

[ralphbert]

I think Kimmage asked it best: What is it about these dopers you like so much?

 

[The Hitch]

I think Kimmage asked it best: What is it about these dopers you like so much?

pff. What does Kimmage know. He's just a wannabe journo who harrases honest athletes and got fired by real journos.
Also, maybe a PE teacher.

 

[westerner]

As far as I am concerned most anti doping speak from the new gen riders is for PR purposes. Do they even have much basis for what they are saying, or much training/life experience about ethical vs non ethical behaviors? When they are asked a question with an ethical component most seem to struggle. Look at some quotes from new gen at the Hincappie/Levi fondos for eg. For most of these guys the extent of their education concerns only how to race a bike really well and some media training. Some would have had strong parental influences, but for the most part in their young lives look at the mentors many of these guys have found themselves around. Cycling over much of the past 2 decades has rewarded most those who had no problem to repeatedly cheat and lie convincingly about it. If this troubled you then you left the top ranks of the sport. And these are many of the men who are the teams sr riders or direct at, train and run most of the top teams today. And for those who served a doping ban (or not, but spent years feeling so badly about their cheating) they serve their time and then somehow come back all ethical and reformed? Yeah those guys are the ones to teach the next gen right from wrong. Do feel bad for the situation for young riders who are actually racing clean, what teams really could they race for and not have some connection with someone from cycling's deep dark past?