c'mon. Let's cut TVG some slack. Afterall, everyone's doing it.
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Not to mention that neither Riis nor Vino are currently banned. If I was a clean pro cyclist that would certainly be an important factor in who I ride/train with.twisted pairs said:It's probably not that different. But, selecting who you ride with on your own free time seems like a much more personal decision versus your choice of DS. Team choice is influenced by the core desire to pay the bills.
twisted pairs said:...selecting who you ride with on your own free time seems like a much more personal decision....
zlev11 said:i don't understand how doing a couple of rides with Lance or Leipheimer is any worse than having friggin' Vino or Riis running your team
Catwhoorg said:Stupid move by him.
No pro-cyclist wanting to be taken seriously should go anywhere near Lance.
red_flanders said:Why would anyone professing to be clean associate themselves with Armstrong in any way?
westerner said:As far as I am concerned most anti doping speak from the new gen riders is for PR purposes. Do they even have much basis for what they are saying, or much training/life experience about ethical vs non ethical behaviors? When they are asked a question with an ethical component most seem to struggle. Look at some quotes from new gen at the Hincappie/Levi fondos for eg. For most of these guys the extent of their education concerns only how to race a bike really well and some media training. Some would have had strong parental influences, but for the most part in their young lives look at the mentors many of these guys have found themselves around. Cycling over much of the past 2 decades has rewarded most those who had no problem to repeatedly cheat and lie convincingly about it. If this troubled you then you left the top ranks of the sport. And these are many of the men who are the teams sr riders or direct at, train and run most of the top teams today. And for those who served a doping ban (or not, but spent years feeling so badly about their cheating) they serve their time and then somehow come back all ethical and reformed? Yeah those guys are the ones to teach the next gen right from wrong. Do feel bad for the situation for young riders who are actually racing clean, what teams really could they race for and not have some connection with someone from cycling's deep dark past?
westerner said:If this troubled you then you left the top ranks of the sport.
Granville57 said:TJ has proven himself to be rather dense in the past, so maybe he's just dumb, who knows. But this is what gets me: When Armstrong or Leipheimer saddle up next to this "new generation," does ever occur to them, or concern them in the least, that by doing so they only cast a dark shadow over the new guys?
Even if one is willing to accept naivety or idol worship as an excuse for the new comers, how could the implication of "guilt by association" not be enough for the "old generation" to just get on with their own lives and not risk possibly corrupting the image and reputation of the current crop of riders?
red_flanders said:Other thoughts?
Granville57 said:When Armstrong or Leipheimer saddle up next to this "new generation," does ever occur to them, or concern them in the least, that by doing so they only cast a dark shadow over the new guys?
DirtyWorks said:Nobody apparently has ever seriously confronted any of them. (maybe)
is not the talking point "they were all doing it", conceding that they now occupy the positions of the "they were all doing it".Netserk said:Not to mention that neither Riis nor Vino are currently banned. If I was a clean pro cyclist that would certainly be an important factor in who I ride/train with.
blackcat said:how about this post by Chris Comical
"I rode with Lance, Levi Leipheimer, Chris Horner, and Simon Gerrans yesterday. "
http://www.examiner.com/article/video-lance-armstrong-trains-for-the-tdf-aspen-with-chris-carmichael
If that's the case, I just wonder if, after these toxic tangos go public, anyone within their inner-circle whispers in their ear...Dear Wiggo said:It's possible they are just that unaware, and not asking a handler / team admin re: training with these pariahs.
Some entertaining responses in that tweeter feed.Dear Wiggo said:Plus, as the recent discussion Lance had at the Harvard business school shows (https://twitter.com/lancearmstrong/status/530908439204339712), perhaps his pariahness extends only to anti-doping types?
Granville57 said:If that's the case, I just wonder if, after these toxic tangos go public, anyone within their inner-circle whispers in their ear...
"Dude, WTF is wrong with you?"
yeah nah yeahCatwhoorg said:That was pre-RD and ban for Lance and Levi. So probably a little less toxic to be seen with him.
But still, if I were a cyclist, I would have put as much distance between myself and him as possible.
blackcat said:how about this post by Chris Comical
"I rode with Lance, Levi Leipheimer, Chris Horner, and Simon Gerrans yesterday. "
http://www.examiner.com/article/video-lance-armstrong-trains-for-the-tdf-aspen-with-chris-carmichael
zlev11 said:i don't understand how doing a couple of rides with Lance or Leipheimer is any worse than having friggin' Vino or Riis running your team