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Andynonomous

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Nadal "laments Contador decision"

"The Contador news is incredible, there is no definitive evidence and they give him the maximum punishment...LAMENTABLE...keep your spirits up champion! All my support!" :eek:


So Contador, who has been suspicious as a doper for many years, tests positive for one drug (Clenbuterol), while likely autologous blood doping (although this was never "proved"), has his day in court, and is found guilty (of strict liability only), yet Nadal still supports him ?


If this isn't the same as standing at the top of a mountain and screaming "I am a doper too", I don't know what is ! Nadal really is stupid, if he doesn't realize what this does to his public reputation.
 
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Sciocco

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Andynonomous said:
Nadal really is stupid, if he doesn't realize what this does to his public reputation.
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Just saying, I do not think Nadal's public opinion is the same as the opinion of him on these forums. He seems to definitely have his fans and those who are not his fans are usually just fans of someone else.
 
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i'm not a nadal fan, but this sketch is rather tasteless.
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It's French humor. Yesterday there was a new one with Iker Casillas, Nadal, etc. signing something with syringes instead of pens.
 
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Spains responce

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sniper

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Sciocco said:
Classy.

What is "La Champions" ??
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champions league.

anyway, spain's defence sounds alot like armstrong's, when the french accused him. not very classy or funny, imo. classy would be to admit that they have a doping problem. funny would be to make a joke out of it, show some self-reflection. some self-irony. The poster (or any of the other reactions I've seen from Spanish media) has nothing of that in it.

the poster is revealing for another reason: just do a chance calculation.
80 million French, 45 million Spanish. In a level playing field, the prizes in topsports should be more equally divided between them. Instead, the spanish are winning it all.

And look at how the french expose their cycling heroin, vs. how the spanish protect their hero.
with this attitude, the spanish are not making themselves any friends abroad. not that they appear to be worried by that, but still, they run the risk that at a certain point nobody will take any of their performances seriously anymore.
(nobody but themselves of course.)
Which would be a great shame and pity for the many truly clean spanish athletes who do their jobs honestly.
 
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Zam_Olyas

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sniper said:
champions league.

anyway, spain's defence sounds alot like armstrong's, when the french accused him. not very classy or funny, imo. classy would be to admit that they have a doping problem. funny would be to make a joke out of it, show some self-reflection. some self-irony. The poster (or any of the other reactions I've seen from Spanish media) has nothing of that in it.

the poster is revealing for another reason: just do a chance calculation.
80 million French, 45 million Spanish. In a level playing field, the prizes in topsports should be more equally divided between them. Instead, the spanish are winning it all.

And look at how the french expose their cycling heroin, vs. how the spanish protect their hero.
with this attitude, the spanish are not making themselves any friends abroad. not that they appear to be worried by that, but still, they run the risk that at a certain point nobody will take any of their performances seriously anymore.
(nobody but themselves of course.)
Which would be a great shame and pity for the many truly clean spanish athletes who do their jobs honestly.
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population?? look at india... jack *** in most sports. :p :D
 
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sniper

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Zam_Olyas said:
population?? look at india... jack *** in most sports. :p :D
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true. :)

but the point remains. France and SPain are very comparable in terms of the available sports facilities, and also in terms of the popularity of certain sports.
so we'd still expect a more equal division of the prizes and medals between france and spain, perhaps even with a slight advantage for france. the Spanish dominance in the past two decades is really noteworthy, but of course i'm not the first to notice.

p.s. All this is not to say that the french don't dope. Just that the spanish are doping in a league of their own.
 
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El Pistolero

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Tasteless sketch by the French. I wouldn't have found it tasteless if they also showed Djokovic, Murray and Federer, but now it's just tasteless...

Let's all just call them Franskiljons from now of on, they seem to suffer from a Calimero complex ;)
 
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El Pistolero said:
Tasteless sketch by the French. I wouldn't have found it tasteless if they also showed Djokovic, Murray and Federer, but now it's just tasteless...

Let's all just call them Franskiljons from now of on, they seem to suffer from a Calimero complex ;)
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why federer? he's surely not overusing steroids, like nadal is.
federer is a less typical doper than nadal. i mean: it's not that obvious to see that federer dopes, although he probably does.
Nadal is different. it's plain for everybody (except spanish patriots) to see that nadal is doped to the eyeballs.

federer has an all-court style, so you would expect him to win on all surfaces. nadal doesn't exactly have an all-court style. he has the typical gravel game. so nadal's all-court dominance is somewhat unexpected.

Djoker and Murray of course also dope heavily, and obviously, but I guess nadal symbolizes the apologist doping paradise that Spain currently is, which is what the sketch hinted at, I assume.

it was tasteless and humorless though, we agree on that, but spain is doing much damage to its own reputation, by taking on an apologist attitude towards doping, to an extreme that I have never seen before.
 
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Fed will be just as guilty as his friends in the top 4. You just like singling out wee Nads due to his obvious lack of natural talent.
 
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Regarding Federes physicality it should be pointed out that he uses a way heavier racket.

Nadals Aero pro drive is 300g. Federers Wilson K Factor is 350g.


Heavier racket means slower shots. His serve is usually above 210 but with a Nadal racket that would be closer to 230 which is quite fast and he maintains that through 5 set matches easy.
 
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The Hitch said:
Regarding Federes physicality it should be pointed out that he uses a way heavier racket.

Nadals Aero pro drive is 300g. Federers Wilson K Factor is 350g.


Heavier racket means slower shots. His serve is usually above 210 but with a Nadal racket that would be closer to 230 which is quite fast and he maintains that through 5 set matches easy.
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In reality, heavier rackets mean faster shots! That is why Sampras put lead tape on his rackets. In any case, the tension of the strings is probably a much bigger factor. So he expends less energy on serve than most players, and his serving speed is barely in the world's top fifty.

We can't say for definite whether Federer dopes or not. But I've been watching him for 12 years and over that period, there have been no suspicious fluctuations of body shape or stamina. Mentally, he improved in about 2003 and mentally, he began to deteriorate in 2008. In 2004, he had no entourage, coach or indeed, management. While this changed, Federer hasn't. This doesn't PROVE anything, one way or the other, but my feeling is that I've only got a limited amount of time and energy to devote to worrying about dopers in sport, and there are far more deserving cases for my scepticism. Federer has dominated the game because of his hand-eye coordination, not by running opponents into the ground, and his games are over so quickly that he uses very little energy per match. On the other hand, having followed cycling and got to recognise the symptoms, I find it very hard to reconcile the fluctuations in form, body shape and stamina first of Nadal, and more recently Djokovic. They both have mysterious injuries and withdrawals, only to return with renewed vigour.

I don't know about Murray, but at one point he was travelling with a large entourage including a doctor, which sends alarm bells ringing. Although I never liked him, I have no reason to think Sampras was doing anything he shouldn't. And while I loved Agassi, looking back it is inconceivable that he wasn't.
 
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frenchfry

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El Pistolero said:
Tasteless sketch by the French. I wouldn't have found it tasteless if they also showed Djokovic, Murray and Federer, but now it's just tasteless...

Let's all just call them Franskiljons from now of on, they seem to suffer from a Calimero complex ;)
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Maybe a better example is Virenque, who was ruthlessly ridiculed on the Guignols and still is occasionally. The Nadal sketch wasn't a one time shot at a Spanish athlete, it is consistant with the treatment of athletes in general no matter what their nationality.

Tennis players probably all dope, but you have to admit that Nadal stands out as kind of a poster boy.
 
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