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python said:
@blackcat.

i already posted upthread i dont think the meldronate-gate is a political thing and that i am skeptical of sharapova's story... 2 ukies got popped with the thing, a swede (of ethiopian roots) etc. the whole thing is flooding b/c the anti-doping machine has gone the line of least resistance. like the cops we see in the cities ganging up on the easy pray like pedestrians, homeless and cyclists...

that said, i truly don't like how the western media's gone into frenzy. i truly experience deep aversion to any, not just this psychosis, dog piling, chest thumping or any feel-good posturing b/c someone can be stomped into mud for their mistakes.

so i stay away as i find no need in cheap gloating or an entertained at anyone's expense.

Great post.
 
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python said:
@blackcat.

i already posted upthread i dont think the meldronate-gate is a political thing and that i am skeptical of sharapova's story... 2 ukies got popped with the thing, a swede (of ethiopian roots) etc. the whole thing is flooding b/c the anti-doping machine has gone the line of least resistance. like the cops we see in the cities ganging up on the easy pray like pedestrians, homeless and cyclists...

that said, i truly don't like how the western media's gone into frenzy. i truly experience deep aversion to any, not just this psychosis, dog piling, chest thumping or any feel-good posturing b/c someone can be stomped into mud for their mistakes.

so i stay away as i find no need in cheap gloating or an entertained at anyone's expense.

You'll notice that it's the UK and the US (predictably) behind all the 'chest thumping' and such. It's all of their athletes crying about how they were cheated by the dopers and felt like they've done everything possible to win medals, blah, blah, blah. Are the Russians, Ethiopians, etc just simply to lackadaisical and reckless with what they take and when they take it, or is something weird at play here? I think there is a concerted effort to bring down the Russians any sort of which way possible. People like Paula Radcliffe and Seb Coe really are confident that no British track and field would risk cheating and there is no drug problem in UK athletics. I mean, look at the BBC, for example. Spewing BS as always.

Xenon, Maldonium (or whatever it is), etc. Funny how those and others all of a sudden become PED's. Where are Wada's other reports on the supposed systematic doping in other countries? They forgot about that or what? This is why I think people like *** Pound are part of the problem.

Either the Russians dope WAAAAAAY more than anyone else and the other big teams like the US, UK, France are just supremely talented and are clean or something else is at play.
 
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BullsFan22 said:
You'll notice that it's the UK and the US (predictably) behind all the 'chest thumping' and such. It's all of their athletes crying about how they were cheated by the dopers and felt like they've done everything possible to win medals, blah, blah, blah. Are the Russians, Ethiopians, etc just simply to lackadaisical and reckless with what they take and when they take it, or is something weird at play here? I think there is a concerted effort to bring down the Russians any sort of which way possible. People like Paula Radcliffe and Seb Coe really are confident that no British track and field would risk cheating and there is no drug problem in UK athletics. I mean, look at the BBC, for example. Spewing BS as always.

Xenon, Maldonium (or whatever it is), etc. Funny how those and others all of a sudden become PED's. Where are Wada's other reports on the supposed systematic doping in other countries? They forgot about that or what? This is why I think people like **** Pound are part of the problem.

Either the Russians dope WAAAAAAY more than anyone else and the other big teams like the US, UK, France are just supremely talented and are clean or something else is at play.

This. (I should have just bolded your whole post. :) )
 
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Zebadeedee said:
Nadal explaining why Spanish players never test positive.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/10/rafael-nadal-maria-sharapova-meldonium

Hard to come a cropper when you have the federation doctor sorting out your bloods. I don't think they've quite latched onto conflict of interest yet.

well, MaSha failing IQ test, what a surprise

but Rafa should sell THE idea to cycling: imagine... UCI/WADA supplying doctors to the best teams - must work better than biopass IQ test
 
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doperhopper said:
Zebadeedee said:
Nadal explaining why Spanish players never test positive.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/10/rafael-nadal-maria-sharapova-meldonium

Hard to come a cropper when you have the federation doctor sorting out your bloods. I don't think they've quite latched onto conflict of interest yet.

well, MaSha failing IQ test, what a surprise

but Rafa should sell THE idea to cycling: imagine... UCI/WADA supplying doctors to the best teams - must work better than biopass IQ test
He says this:
I have my doctor that I have confidence in. My doctor is the doctor of the Spanish tennis federation for a lot of years. He is the doctor of all the Spanish tennis players so I have full confidence in him. And I never take anything that he doesn’t know.
That system is already known to cycling with the BC/Sky setup.
 
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Ever since this Sharapova/Meldonium case appeared, I haven't seen or heard much about match fixing in tennis, which I still think is a bigger deal than one failed dope test(yes, I know there must be more than one doped tennis player).

Is it possible that a player near retirement who is worth enough to get by could be thrown to the lions by ITF to prevent the whole sport unravelling?
 
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Posted this in the football doping thread but it's also apt for here.

No wonder there has been a fair amount of positives. It can stay in the system quite long.

So, how many doctors of Russian football teams gave their footballers doping? How many of them gave meldonium, missing the moment when it was prohibited, as Sharapova did? It is obvious that even the most inattentive man will now notice the hype. But how long does it take to get it out of the system?

“Up to 3 months. It depends on the course,” Eduard Bezuglov, a doctor of the Russia national football team, told Russian Football News. It means that even if athletes stop using meldonium now, it could be in their blood until summer. Footballers participating in international competitions are in the firing line.

http://russianfootballnews.com/the-sharapova-case-is-russian-football-next/
 
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BullsFan22 said:
MrRoboto said:
python said:
a swede (of ethiopian roots)
She isn't really swedish at all. Lives and trains in Ethiopia, and can't speak a word swedish.

Funny. They are Swedish when they win and represent their adopted country well, but when something like this happens, they are 'hardly Swedish.'
It's not 'funny'. This has been talked about for a while now. It was already known long before she was caught that she most likely lied to get a swedish citizenship.
 
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MrRoboto said:
BullsFan22 said:
MrRoboto said:
python said:
a swede (of ethiopian roots)
She isn't really swedish at all. Lives and trains in Ethiopia, and can't speak a word swedish.

Funny. They are Swedish when they win and represent their adopted country well, but when something like this happens, they are 'hardly Swedish.'
It's not 'funny'. This has been talked about for a while now. It was already known long before she was caught that she most likely lied to get a swedish citizenship.

Of course it's not 'funny.' It's just a saying. Kind of how it's funny that when Andy Murray wins a match or tournament, he is British, when he loses, he's Scottish, according to the English. That's the point I was trying to make. Sweden has been so open and friendly to immigrants from all over the world. Sometimes it doesn't always work out that well though.
 
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BullsFan22 said:
MrRoboto said:
BullsFan22 said:
MrRoboto said:
python said:
a swede (of ethiopian roots)
She isn't really swedish at all. Lives and trains in Ethiopia, and can't speak a word swedish.

Funny. They are Swedish when they win and represent their adopted country well, but when something like this happens, they are 'hardly Swedish.'
It's not 'funny'. This has been talked about for a while now. It was already known long before she was caught that she most likely lied to get a swedish citizenship.

Of course it's not 'funny.' It's just a saying. Kind of how it's funny that when Andy Murray wins a match or tournament, he is British, when he loses, he's Scottish, according to the English. That's the point I was trying to make. Sweden has been so open and friendly to immigrants from all over the world. Sometimes it doesn't always work out that well though.
yeah, and its a good point.
when Sharipowa wins she's this amazing all American girl.
Now she's just Russian.
 
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BullsFan22 said:
Of course it's not 'funny.' It's just a saying. Kind of how it's funny that when Andy Murray wins a match or tournament, he is British, when he loses, he's Scottish, according to the English. That's the point I was trying to make. Sweden has been so open and friendly to immigrants from all over the world. Sometimes it doesn't always work out that well though.
I do understand what you are saying, and I'm sure you can somewhat apply it to this case. But first of all, it is besides the point. As I said, she lives and trains in Ethiopia where she lives with her ethiopian husband. She was caught in Ethiopia after they finally did some serious testing in Ethiopia. So the point, relating to python's post, is that she lived as an ethiopian, and she was caught as an ethiopian.

Besides that, I'm sure you can find some hypocritical reactions to this in Sweden. But again, this isn't something that suddenly came up now that she was caught. It has become clear that she barely has lived in Sweden and lied about that to gain a swedish citizenship. After that she's has been running under a swedish flag, but for all intents and purposes she's ethiopian, not swedish.
 
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I don't know how Sharapova was viewed in the States. Perhaps Americans jump on all available bandwagons. But despite residence there, I think she only had Russian nationality. So yes, it's not surprising people regard her as Russian. Presumably she even bought her medication there. I don't think anyone in Britain viewed her as American, before or after her fall.
 
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wrinklyvet said:
I don't know how Sharapova was viewed in the States. Perhaps Americans jump on all available bandwagons. But despite residence there, I think she only had Russian nationality. So yes, it's not surprising people regard her as Russian. Presumably she even bought her medication there. I don't think anyone in Britain viewed her as American, before or after her fall.

Everybody in America is from somewhere else, if not now then somewhere within the last few generations. Having a funny name is no barrier to being seen as American by your fellow Americans. In the USA she is marketed as an American girl. She speaks perfect, idiomatic, colloquial American English and she's blonde and white, so for most Americans that ticks all the boxes.

Why, you ask, is she marketed as American in the USA? Because Americans can relate to her that way. They can't relate to no Ruskie, no matter how blonde. In the rest of the world, however, she represents all things Russian, and she always has.
 
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That and the fact she was the poster child for bolliteris tennis academy - which showed how amazing americans were at producing global sports stars.
 
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sniper said:
Red Rick said:
The Hitch said:
What are they supposed to say then?
The press could start considering doing their job.

what's the point in asking Al Capone whether he evades taxes, and if he says no, make a headline out of it.
"AL Capone dismayed at tax evading fellow Americans".
So what evidence do you have that Murray is comparable to Al Capone in any way?