python said:@blackcat.
i already posted upthread i dont think the meldronate-gate is a political thing and that i am skeptical of sharapova's story... 2 ukies got popped with the thing, a swede (of ethiopian roots) etc. the whole thing is flooding b/c the anti-doping machine has gone the line of least resistance. like the cops we see in the cities ganging up on the easy pray like pedestrians, homeless and cyclists...
that said, i truly don't like how the western media's gone into frenzy. i truly experience deep aversion to any, not just this psychosis, dog piling, chest thumping or any feel-good posturing b/c someone can be stomped into mud for their mistakes.
so i stay away as i find no need in cheap gloating or an entertained at anyone's expense.
python said:@blackcat.
i already posted upthread i dont think the meldronate-gate is a political thing and that i am skeptical of sharapova's story... 2 ukies got popped with the thing, a swede (of ethiopian roots) etc. the whole thing is flooding b/c the anti-doping machine has gone the line of least resistance. like the cops we see in the cities ganging up on the easy pray like pedestrians, homeless and cyclists...
that said, i truly don't like how the western media's gone into frenzy. i truly experience deep aversion to any, not just this psychosis, dog piling, chest thumping or any feel-good posturing b/c someone can be stomped into mud for their mistakes.
so i stay away as i find no need in cheap gloating or an entertained at anyone's expense.
BullsFan22 said:You'll notice that it's the UK and the US (predictably) behind all the 'chest thumping' and such. It's all of their athletes crying about how they were cheated by the dopers and felt like they've done everything possible to win medals, blah, blah, blah. Are the Russians, Ethiopians, etc just simply to lackadaisical and reckless with what they take and when they take it, or is something weird at play here? I think there is a concerted effort to bring down the Russians any sort of which way possible. People like Paula Radcliffe and Seb Coe really are confident that no British track and field would risk cheating and there is no drug problem in UK athletics. I mean, look at the BBC, for example. Spewing BS as always.
Xenon, Maldonium (or whatever it is), etc. Funny how those and others all of a sudden become PED's. Where are Wada's other reports on the supposed systematic doping in other countries? They forgot about that or what? This is why I think people like **** Pound are part of the problem.
Either the Russians dope WAAAAAAY more than anyone else and the other big teams like the US, UK, France are just supremely talented and are clean or something else is at play.
Zebadeedee said:Nadal explaining why Spanish players never test positive.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/10/rafael-nadal-maria-sharapova-meldonium
Hard to come a cropper when you have the federation doctor sorting out your bloods. I don't think they've quite latched onto conflict of interest yet.
He says this:doperhopper said:Zebadeedee said:Nadal explaining why Spanish players never test positive.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/10/rafael-nadal-maria-sharapova-meldonium
Hard to come a cropper when you have the federation doctor sorting out your bloods. I don't think they've quite latched onto conflict of interest yet.
well, MaSha failing IQ test, what a surprise
but Rafa should sell THE idea to cycling: imagine... UCI/WADA supplying doctors to the best teams - must work better than biopass IQ test
That system is already known to cycling with the BC/Sky setup.I have my doctor that I have confidence in. My doctor is the doctor of the Spanish tennis federation for a lot of years. He is the doctor of all the Spanish tennis players so I have full confidence in him. And I never take anything that he doesn’t know.
So, how many doctors of Russian football teams gave their footballers doping? How many of them gave meldonium, missing the moment when it was prohibited, as Sharapova did? It is obvious that even the most inattentive man will now notice the hype. But how long does it take to get it out of the system?
“Up to 3 months. It depends on the course,” Eduard Bezuglov, a doctor of the Russia national football team, told Russian Football News. It means that even if athletes stop using meldonium now, it could be in their blood until summer. Footballers participating in international competitions are in the firing line.
She isn't really swedish at all. Lives and trains in Ethiopia, and can't speak a word swedish.python said:a swede (of ethiopian roots)
MrRoboto said:She isn't really swedish at all. Lives and trains in Ethiopia, and can't speak a word swedish.python said:a swede (of ethiopian roots)
It's not 'funny'. This has been talked about for a while now. It was already known long before she was caught that she most likely lied to get a swedish citizenship.BullsFan22 said:MrRoboto said:She isn't really swedish at all. Lives and trains in Ethiopia, and can't speak a word swedish.python said:a swede (of ethiopian roots)
Funny. They are Swedish when they win and represent their adopted country well, but when something like this happens, they are 'hardly Swedish.'
MrRoboto said:It's not 'funny'. This has been talked about for a while now. It was already known long before she was caught that she most likely lied to get a swedish citizenship.BullsFan22 said:MrRoboto said:She isn't really swedish at all. Lives and trains in Ethiopia, and can't speak a word swedish.python said:a swede (of ethiopian roots)
Funny. They are Swedish when they win and represent their adopted country well, but when something like this happens, they are 'hardly Swedish.'
yeah, and its a good point.BullsFan22 said:MrRoboto said:It's not 'funny'. This has been talked about for a while now. It was already known long before she was caught that she most likely lied to get a swedish citizenship.BullsFan22 said:MrRoboto said:She isn't really swedish at all. Lives and trains in Ethiopia, and can't speak a word swedish.python said:a swede (of ethiopian roots)
Funny. They are Swedish when they win and represent their adopted country well, but when something like this happens, they are 'hardly Swedish.'
Of course it's not 'funny.' It's just a saying. Kind of how it's funny that when Andy Murray wins a match or tournament, he is British, when he loses, he's Scottish, according to the English. That's the point I was trying to make. Sweden has been so open and friendly to immigrants from all over the world. Sometimes it doesn't always work out that well though.
I do understand what you are saying, and I'm sure you can somewhat apply it to this case. But first of all, it is besides the point. As I said, she lives and trains in Ethiopia where she lives with her ethiopian husband. She was caught in Ethiopia after they finally did some serious testing in Ethiopia. So the point, relating to python's post, is that she lived as an ethiopian, and she was caught as an ethiopian.BullsFan22 said:Of course it's not 'funny.' It's just a saying. Kind of how it's funny that when Andy Murray wins a match or tournament, he is British, when he loses, he's Scottish, according to the English. That's the point I was trying to make. Sweden has been so open and friendly to immigrants from all over the world. Sometimes it doesn't always work out that well though.
wrinklyvet said:I don't know how Sharapova was viewed in the States. Perhaps Americans jump on all available bandwagons. But despite residence there, I think she only had Russian nationality. So yes, it's not surprising people regard her as Russian. Presumably she even bought her medication there. I don't think anyone in Britain viewed her as American, before or after her fall.
What are they supposed to say then?The Hitch said:In case anyone was wondering, Andy is clean:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2016/03/10/andy-murray-dismayed-at-head-supporting-maria-sharapova/
The press could start considering doing their job.Red Rick said:What are they supposed to say then?The Hitch said:In case anyone was wondering, Andy is clean:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2016/03/10/andy-murray-dismayed-at-head-supporting-maria-sharapova/
So what evidence do you have that Murray is comparable to Al Capone in any way?sniper said:The press could start considering doing their job.Red Rick said:What are they supposed to say then?The Hitch said:In case anyone was wondering, Andy is clean:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2016/03/10/andy-murray-dismayed-at-head-supporting-maria-sharapova/
what's the point in asking Al Capone whether he evades taxes, and if he says no, make a headline out of it.
"AL Capone dismayed at tax evading fellow Americans".
Do you have evidence that he isn't?wrinklyvet said:...
So what evidence do you have that Murray is comparable to Al Capone in any way?
Red Rick said:What are they supposed to say then?The Hitch said:In case anyone was wondering, Andy is clean:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2016/03/10/andy-murray-dismayed-at-head-supporting-maria-sharapova/