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This is so predictable. Novak in trouble yesterday down two sets, but the match gets suspended. He gets a little top off over night and he's right back to superman levels, he's going to win the restart in straight sets.
 
When it comes to doping, the most obvious cases would have to be Djokovic and Nadal. With that said, it's extremely likely that almost everyone dopes to some extent. Federer doesn't fit the profile of a stereotypical doper but that probably means he's more sneaky in his doping.

The effects of doping is even more pronounced in the women's game - a top 20 player today would hit Graf, Navralitova, and Evert off the court. They're not playing even remotely the same game.
 
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DanielSong39 said:
But I don't think there's any mechanical doping in tennis. I don't see how a motor would help you.
What about Nike Air Pumps? Or the extending rackets (it grows when you need to reach out for a ball-be it on the run to get a drop shot, retrieving shots from side to side, retrieving lobs, etc)?
 
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Tonton said:
I so miss Borg and McEnroe. Tanner, Gerulaitis, Connors, Panatta, and Vilas, or even the kids: Becker, Edberg, Stich, Noah and his weed, Lendl-Drago. Those were the golden years. Chrissie and Martina, Andrea and Tracy.
Amen!
 
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DanielSong39 said:
The effects of doping is even more pronounced in the women's game - a top 20 player today would hit Graf, Navralitova, and Evert off the court. They're not playing even remotely the same game.
It was driving me nuts during the Wimbledon coverage listening to the parade of commentators calling Serena Williams the best player ever. Take away the drugs and on a theoretical level playing field Martina would mop the floor with Serena.
 
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Blakeslee said:
DanielSong39 said:
The effects of doping is even more pronounced in the women's game - a top 20 player today would hit Graf, Navralitova, and Evert off the court. They're not playing even remotely the same game.
It was driving me nuts during the Wimbledon coverage listening to the parade of commentators calling Serena Williams the best player ever. Take away the drugs and on a theoretical level playing field Martina would mop the floor with Serena.
So many would clean Serena up in a level playing field.
She's one of the worst players I've seen in the top 50 of the women's game ever.
No natural style at all.
She really is a pain to watch.
If anybody says "legalize peds" Serena provides the most solid arguments against that.
 
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Blakeslee said:
DanielSong39 said:
The effects of doping is even more pronounced in the women's game - a top 20 player today would hit Graf, Navralitova, and Evert off the court. They're not playing even remotely the same game.
It was driving me nuts during the Wimbledon coverage listening to the parade of commentators calling Serena Williams the best player ever. Take away the drugs and on a theoretical level playing field Martina would mop the floor with Serena.
Navratilova or Hingis?

Hingis is also an interesting case since she represents the bridge between the old-school era (Graf) and the new era (Williams sisters, Henin, Davenport, Capriati, Clijsters). She was spanking them pretty good until she was eventually overwhelmed by their power.

Not saying Hingis is clean; but she clearly was not the responder that the others were.

Kournikova probably fits in there somewhere as well.
 
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DanielSong39 said:
But I don't think there's any mechanical doping in tennis. I don't see how a motor would help you.
Racket technology is night and day different to what it used to be.

Suits "power" players much more, especially on fast surfaces.

In fact didn't they make a change to the balls to slow serves down a few years ago?
 
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Catwhoorg said:
DanielSong39 said:
But I don't think there's any mechanical doping in tennis. I don't see how a motor would help you.
Racket technology is night and day different to what it used to be.

Suits "power" players much more, especially on fast surfaces.

In fact didn't they make a change to the balls to slow serves down a few years ago?
The tennis balls used for professional men and women are different . They slowed the men's game down but not the women's. Over time the court surfaces have become more homogenized and slower as well (of course for both).

http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/id/15076348/andy-murray-miffed-mistakenly-having-serve-women-ball
 
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DanielSong39 said:
When it comes to doping, the most obvious cases would have to be Djokovic and Nadal. With that said, it's extremely likely that almost everyone dopes to some extent. Federer doesn't fit the profile of a stereotypical doper but that probably means he's more sneaky in his doping.

The effects of doping is even more pronounced in the women's game - a top 20 player today would hit Graf, Navralitova, and Evert off the court. They're not playing even remotely the same game.
Match fixing is starting to get more attention and it should.
 
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DanielSong39 said:
Not saying Hingis is clean; but she clearly was not the responder that the others were.

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Hingis is headed to Rio? She was suspended for the use of cocaine several years ago.
Is the IOC ban on past dopers only applicable to Russia?
 
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avanti said:
DanielSong39 said:
Not saying Hingis is clean; but she clearly was not the responder that the others were.

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Hingis is headed to Rio? She was suspended for the use of cocaine several years ago.
Is the IOC ban on past dopers only applicable to Russia?
Yep. Only applicable to Russians. I am assuming that had WADA and IOC banned ALL athletes with past doping offenses and suspensions that qualified for RIO, they would have had a big problem. A good chunk of athletes would be missing. And those would have been only the ones that they actually 'know' failed tests.
 
With effect from 1 September 2016, the Tennis Anti-Doping Programme (Programme) will be amended. Specifically, the following underlined text will be added to Article 13.3:
13.3 The ITF shall use its reasonable endeavours to ensure that Persons under its control do not publicly identify Players or other Persons whose Samples have resulted in Adverse Analytical Findings or Atypical Findings, or Atypical Passport Findings or Adverse Passport Findings, or are alleged to have committed an Anti-Doping Rule Violation under this Programme, unless and until a Provisional Suspension has been imposed or accepted or an Independent Tribunal has determined that an Anti-Doping Rule Violation has been committed, and/or the Anti-Doping Rule Violation has been admitted…
What does this mean?
Where a case that arises under the Programme after 1 September 2016 results in a Provisional Suspension, that Provisional Suspension will be publicly announced. This applies to all Provisional Suspensions, whether mandatory or voluntarily accepted.
Why is this change being made?
The reputation of the Programme and, consequently, the image of tennis, have been damaged by accusations that players have been allowed to serve bans without those bans being made public (so-called ‘silent bans’). This rule change will prevent any further similar accusations and so protect our sport.

http://www.itftennis.com/news/237420.aspx#8ei3JYM3irhKo8Fk.99
 
With effect from 1 September 2016, the Tennis Anti-Doping Programme (Programme) will be amended. Specifically, the following underlined text will be added to Article 13.3:
13.3 The ITF shall use its reasonable endeavours to ensure that Persons under its control do not publicly identify Players or other Persons whose Samples have resulted in Adverse Analytical Findings or Atypical Findings, or Atypical Passport Findings or Adverse Passport Findings, or are alleged to have committed an Anti-Doping Rule Violation under this Programme, unless and until a Provisional Suspension has been imposed or accepted or an Independent Tribunal has determined that an Anti-Doping Rule Violation has been committed, and/or the Anti-Doping Rule Violation has been admitted…
What does this mean?
Where a case that arises under the Programme after 1 September 2016 results in a Provisional Suspension, that Provisional Suspension will be publicly announced. This applies to all Provisional Suspensions, whether mandatory or voluntarily accepted.
Why is this change being made?
The reputation of the Programme and, consequently, the image of tennis, have been damaged by accusations that players have been allowed to serve bans without those bans being made public (so-called ‘silent bans’). This rule change will prevent any further similar accusations and so protect our sport.

http://www.itftennis.com/news/237420.aspx#8ei3JYM3irhKo8Fk.99
 
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avanti said:
DanielSong39 said:
Not saying Hingis is clean; but she clearly was not the responder that the others were.

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Hingis is headed to Rio? She was suspended for the use of cocaine several years ago.
Is the IOC ban on past dopers only applicable to Russia?
I was utterly outraged at that too, outrageous isn't it?
 
Mar 13, 2009
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Hingis and the human backhand richard gasquet were kissing in a parisian bar and someone slipped them a micky of coke
 
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After losing the first set muguruza took a medical time out and came back rejuvenated literally crushing her opponent Mertens.
 
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sniper said:
After losing the first set muguruza took a medical time out and came back rejuvenated literally crushing her opponent Mertens.
I really dislike the MTO rule, many players abuse it for obvious reasons. If you're not fit to play, you retire, not pop pills etc. and come back swinging.
 

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