I didnt see the bit in the thread where it said one had to climb all mountains in order to have an opinion.Cobblestoned said:What are your besttimes and thresholds ?
The hitch seems to be very experienced when it comes to (Italian) mountains.
The Hitch said:I dont know that you can descent Alpe without starting at the top of it / turning back into everyone.
Finnestre has several 10+ grades and rarely goes under 8. Consider that in the Tour they talk about how Plateau and Alpe have "horrid" 9%+ grades, and Finnestre goes up to 14% (briefly yes), and goes on for ever and ever.
+ theres some bad turns and its gravel.
You are all over the hardest mountains and hardest stages threads on your Giro-promo-tour.The Hitch said:I didnt see the bit in the thread where it said one had to climb all mountains in order to have an opinion.
Either show me that bit or shut up.
If they ever used it I'd prefer to see them climb up that way and end in Bourg d'Oisans. Would be great for a circuit race.simoni said:Nothing wrong with the Sarenne road overall apart from the drainage troughs (which could be dealt with for a tour if necessary). They descend similar roads in the Pyrenees.
Pretty sure it's both Guardiagrele, with 600 @ 22,5 average maxing out at 30%. that dirt stage in last years tirreno also had near 30% grades i thinkRuby United said:What's the steepest average per cent for a climb in pro racing history
And what's the steepest per cent a climb has reached at one point.
I'm trying to look for answers to these. At the moment I'm not getting anywhere. Best I have so far is 9k at 18 pcentdel1962 said:Does anyone know the answer to these
Which climb used has the longest stretch greater than 10%?
Which climb used has the longest stretch greater than 15%?
Which climb used has the longest stretch greater than 20%?
I that the hardest you could get in a GT, Cold de Rosael would get be something like 22 points, climbing over 2000m over 20km and reaching 3000m above sea levelKrzysztof_O said:Some time ago I calculated climbs difficulty base on this:
FIETS-index = [H^2 / D*10] + (T - 1000):1000
Where H is height difference in meters, D is distance in meters and T is altitude in meters. However I didn't calculate it for the whole climb but divided it into several sections (each usually 1-km long) in order to take into account gradient variations, steep fragments etc. For each section I calculated formula H^2/D*10 and sumed all these results. If the was a descent section then I changed sign of the expression (minus points for descents). At the end expression (T - 1000):1000 was also added. Here are the results:
1. Finestre 16.7
2. Zoncolan 16.6
3. Grossglockner-Hochtor 16.5
4. Stelvio (from Prato) 16.4
5. Fauniera 15.7
*Forcola di Livigno 15.6
6. Angliru 15.1
7. Mortirolo 15
*Sierra Nevada + Monachil 14.6
8. Esischie (part of Fauniera) 14.4
9. Manghen 14.3
10. Mt Ventoux 14.1
Croix-de-Fer (from Le Chambre via Glandon) 13.9
Monte Grappa 13.9
Stelvio (from Bormio) 13.8
Bonette (from S. Etienne) 13.2
Bola del Mundo 11.7
Plateau de Beille 11.1
Alpe d' Huez 9.9
Climbs marked* can be considered two separate climbs because of flat or descent sections.
One can see that in this ranking two type of climbs dominate: leg-breakers with incredible gradients (i.e. Zoncolan, Angliru and Mortirolo) and quite steep giants with enormous height difference (i.e. Finestre, Hochtor, Stelvio, Fauniera). In this rank Finestre edges Zoncolan, Grossglockner and Stelvio but which one is absolutely hardest - each of them has their arguments as well as Angliru, Mortirolo and Fauniera. It's possible I omitted some climbs in calculations i.e. Blockhaus could be also in TOP10 but I am not sure at what altitude was its highest finish.
It is easily seen that monster climbs dominate in Giro. I just hope that Finestre will be used more often as it's absolutely epic. I could be even used in TdF (but I think it's not in their style ). Fauniera climb is also missed during last decade. Some Giro visit on Rettenbachferner or highest Glossglockner sections would also be nice.
Did you look at that profile, that hole thing averages less than 4% average.Ruby United said:No its not. This is longer and the first 40k of Mauna kea are at less than 7/per cent.
Edit: meant 7 per cent
And the last 20k are like the ZoncolanRuby United said:No its not. This is longer and the first 40k of Mauna kea are at less than 7/per cent.
Edit: meant 7 per cent