The 2023 CQ Ranking Manager Thread

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For anybody interested Simmons was at the Bobby and Jens podcast and stated he will focus on the Ardennes this year. He might ride de Ronde if he's in super shape but that would be the only cobble classic for him.
Okay. Maybe it is time for me to learn what people mean by the "Ardennes", "Classics", "Hilly Classics", "Cobbles" and "Hilly Cobbles". All i see is one day races, week long races, and grand tours. This could potentially help me make better picks for velogames.
 
Okay. Maybe it is time for me to learn what people mean by the "Ardennes", "Classics", "Hilly Classics", "Cobbles" and "Hilly Cobbles". All i see is one day races, week long races, and grand tours. This could potentially help me make better picks for velogames.

It's quite simple.
The "Ardennes" are the (big) races that take place in the Ardennes in Belgium. Also AGR, which... doesn't take place in the Ardennes.
"Classics" are one-day races with a significant history.
"Hilly classsics" are the above, involving hills.
"Cobbles" are races with, well, cobbles.
"Hilly cobbles" are cobbles, on hills!

And some races can be in multiple categories.
 
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I am sure there are flat or cobbled races in the Ardennes too but could not immediately come up with them.
 
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I am sure there are flat or cobbled races in the Ardennes too but could not immediately come up with them.

Ok. That is great, but misleading. Google says:

Ardennes Classics (also called Hilly Classics) = LBL, Fleche Wallone, Amstel Gold

Cobbled Classics = E3, Gent-Wevelgem, Tour of Flanders, Paris Roubaix (also Omloop Het Nieuwsblad, Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne, Le Samyn, Brugge-De Panne, Scheldeprijs)

Monuments = MSR, Toru of Flanders, Paris-Roubaix, LBL, Il Lombardia

Other = Strade Bianche, Brabantse Pijl

Man, that is a lot of cobbled races. I did not realise. Okay. I'm learning already.
 
Did a quick 'group' analysis of my team on Saturday, but here it is in traditional points order format, and some thoughts in light of all the other team selections and popularity rankings;
PIDCOCK Thomas​
EWAN Caleb​
PICCOLO Andrea​
ALAPHILIPPE Julian​
LUTSENKO Alexey​
BATTISTELLA Samuele​
WRIGHT Fred​
HAIG Jack​
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh​
STRONG Corbin​
HONORE Mikkel Frølich​
STORER Michael
ASGREEN Kasper​
SIMMONS Quinn​
PAGE Hugo​
BARONCINI Filippo
SCHACHMANN Maximilian​
MIHKELS Madis​
WAERENSKJOLD Søren​
VACEK Mathias​
VAN UDEN Casper​
VAN EETVELT Lennert​
MOSCON Gianni​
KOLZE CHANGIZI Sebastian​
SALBY Alexander​
SCHELLING Ide​
FISHER-BLACK Finn​
PONOMAR Andriy​
PEDERSEN Casper Phillip​
HERMANS Ben​
WALLS Matthew​
QUICK Blake​
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley​

One of the main differences seems to be having no one over 600 points, particularly Roglic. This was mostly a heart decision as with apologies to his fans (he seems like a nice guy off the bike) I find him a little boring, and a 1000+ rider has to be someone I'm interested in following, like Evenepoel last year, or potentialy MVDP this. EITB has made an excellent case for Ayuso in that range and he could end up being a big miss. Simon Yates was the only other one I really considered, but there was just too much emotional baggage from having had him at least twice before.

Uijtdebroeks - This was just stupidity as had him last year and thought about him a lot, but never put his name on the list. Probably subconsciously, was just fed up of trying to spell his name so will at least be spared that.

Then there's all the young British and French Neo-Pros - Gloag, Tarling, Hayter, Onley, Gregoire, Martinez. Would normally be all over these and had Gregoire last year, but ended up not including any of them for various reasons, all of which I might regret. Particularly Martinez and Onley, as really should have thought more about how many opportunities they'll get at their teams.

Instead have gone for young riders who might a more reliable source of points in .1 and Pro - Van Uden, Mikhels, Kolze, Salby, Ponomar, Waerenskjold. Again, a bit of emotion coming into play here, as these are the sort of races I like watching.

Then there's my unique pick - Samuele Battistella :D Can't really make an elaborate case for him. Was simply at the point near the end of the selection process where I needed a c450 GC+ rider, and it was a toss up between him and Foss. Remembered he was decent in the Italian Fall in 2021, and in GC last year, so was hoping he could improve and combine the two, particularly in the absence of Lopez.

As a result, am about midway in the popularity rankings and sharing 16 riders with only three other teams (Devils Elbow, JPettersen and triley36). Overall, reasonably happy with the balance of the team in terms of personal preference (riders/races), some solid bets. and a few punts. In light of the reveal would definitely swap Storer for Uijtdeberoeks , and possibly Ewan/Andersen for some other combination. But they both have pretty good potential upsides..

Last riders to get cut from the team, and who easily could have been it 24 hours either way:

Tesson
Nys
Romo
Halvorsen
Johannessen (knees)
Martinez
Padun
Vader
 
Then there's my unique pick - Samuele Battistella :D Can't really make an elaborate case for him. Was simply at the point near the end of the selection process where I needed a c450 GC+ rider, and it was a toss up between him and Foss. Remembered he was decent in the Italian Fall in 2021, and in GC last year, so was hoping he could improve and combine the two, particularly in the absence of Lopez.
I had Battistella on my team last year (please don't dig up my posts after the reveal where I'm mad that I picked Skjelmose + Battistella over Pidcock). I'm not surprised he is rare because of the number of interesting picks in his price range but I think he can turn out pretty well for you.

He was supposed to start the Tour but couldn't because he got Covid the week before. He had to drop out of the Vuelta due to a fever and Paris-Nice due to bronchitis. He had a big crash during Amstel where he lost consciousness for a while and didn't compete in another race until a month later. He also DNF in Algarve (meaning he barely got points from a race where he outsprinted Hayter, McNulty, Martinez and Evenepoel at the end of what was arguably the queen stage) and Lombardia but I don't remember exactly why. While bad luck one year doesn't necessarily guarantee good luck the following season, I think it should be easy for him to at least be healthier. In between all that, he scored ~450 points and in pretty much every race he finished.

Also he might be Astana's best rider. At the very least he should get plenty of leadership opportunities and a program tailor made for his strengths. I don't think it's much of a stretch to believe he could crack 800 points.
 
Yes I also think Battistella is a sneaky good pick. He probably doesn't have the highest ceiling in that price range but he will be Astana's captain in pretty much any race he wants.
Besides the crashes, his results during last year's spring were also impacted by some sickness.

Side note: Nibali is a believer.
 
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For him and Pogacar there is no real ceiling. They can win any race they enter and it wouldn't register as a shock so I guess they are somewhat limited by the number of race days that they do but that's it. I'm not so sure racing the Vuelta would do him any favors for his overall tally though. At that level, riding a GT isn't actually the most efficient use of race days unless he is the clear best rider at that particular GT. He can be that of course but there isn't a lot of margin for error even for him. We have seen guys in the past be unable to cope with the workload of two GT in a calendar year so I think it's fair to question if he can avoid fading towards the end of the Vuelta. Assuming he wants to mount a serious defence of his world championships, that means being in peak shape for a long while and any loss of form towards the end will only amplify any potential third week issues.

Yup. I just think it's entirely plausible that he has stepped up again. Evenepoel's Giro points haul alone could be ridiculous, if so. I don't necessarily believe he would have won the 2022 Vuelta if it had this year's route, BTW. Vs. Mas, I mean.

But > 4500 points wouldn't be a huge shock to me.
 
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A few interesting facts about everybody's team building strategy:

Most expensive pick

Vingegaard (1, Jon Ezeitza)

Unique 1000+ picks
4 (Vingegaard, Higuita, Bilbao, Merlier)

Total 1000+ picks
124 from 12 different riders

Most popular 1000+ picks
Roglic (57), Ayuso (25), Van der Poel (15)

Most 1000+ riders
Fivezzz (4, Roglic, Ayuso, C. Rodriguez, Girmay)
6 teams with 3 such riders
28 teams with 2 such riders
46 teams with 1 such rider (including 31 with Roglic alone)
22 teams with none

De Lie was picked twice and Ethan Hayter three times yet both De Lie team feature Hayter as well. Is there a secret connection between the two riders I don’t know about ?

Teams with no 800+ riders
17

Teams with no 700+ riders
13

Teams with no 600+ riders
9 (Rufs, Salvarini, Londopat, vladimir, Poles & Co., AupaPyama, postmanhat, trackstand ,triley36)

Eight of those have Pidcock which means that the team with the lowest price for their expensive rider is AupaPyama who spent 576 points Caleb Ewan (the 84th most expensive option available). That’s still a decent amount more than the 532 points skidmark spent on their most expensive rider (Modolo) in 2012.

Roglic
with Ayuso, Girmay and Rodriguez: Fivezzz
with Ayuso and Rodriguez: slow climber
with Ayuso and Mas:18-Valve
with Ayuso: azazel, EvansIsTheBest, hfgon1, Jpettersen, karaev, oliveira, PremierAndrew, SafeBet, scrooll07, shalgo, skidmark, waku waku
with Van der Poel and Girmay: Panda Claws
with Van der Poel: escartin, Googolplex, Kazistuta, Object, search
with Hayter: Berflamand
with Rodriguez: BlueRoads
with Girmay: manafana, Rakim, Yellow Knight
alone: Amis Velo, Armchair Cyclist, Blues in the Bottle, Bonimenier, Crevaison, del1962, Devil's Elbow, DJ Sprtsch, DJW, Gotland, greenedge, HoudiniCycling, jsem94, King of the Wolds, laarsland, Leadbelly, Lortnoc, MADRAZO, NorthAmericanScum, repre, Riverside, Senderos, Sneekes, the asian, tobydawq, tom-jelte, Total Package, vsd88, Whoops, will10

Ayuso
with Rodriguez and Vingegaard: Jon Ezeitza
with Rodriguez: comodoro, Earns1985
with Van der Poel: Eddy Evenepoel, LosBrolin
alone: Joelsim, Mellow Velo, Nakazar, Nyssinator, Popchu, rote_laterne, zigzag wanderer

Van der Poel
with Hayter and De Lie: vickyriso
with Mas: JumboVismaFan
alone: Anderis, Nevs, ray10

Girmay
alone: Bicycle Boy, v1lat, yoyokt

Rodriguez
alone: Eric10, firefly3323

Hayter
with De Lie and Merlier: Josedin

Bilbao
with Higuita: Basque Street Boys

To see if experienced teams went in the same direction as the rest of pack I've highlighted in bold the teams in the top 20 of the all time rankings. Not featured from that top 20 are Jakob747 (most expensive rider: Sheffield), squire and adamski101 (most expensive rider: Gaudu), vladimir (most expensive rider: Pidcock) and Hugo Koblet (not participating unfortunately). The only major discrepancy is Roglic who's been picked 14/19 (74%) by those teams and 43/84 by everybody else (51%). Roglic was actually picked by the top 11 participating teams in terms of all time ranking. Ayuso is also slightly more popular (32% vs 23%). Van der Poel and Mas are the only other 1000+ rider selected by the top 20 all time.
 
I'll aim to post thoughts on my team later but for now here is my TDU team:

Simon Yates
Mattia Cattaneo
Lucas Plapp
Leo Hayter
Rohan Dennis
Mikkel Honore
Max Schachmann

Very happy to have 7 riders - I'm hoping Schachmann and Cattaneo can top 20 (minimum) and I'm optimistic Dennis, Plapp and Yates can top 10 (or even 1 of them win). Dennis has history here and I'm sure will be highly motivated. Lastly I think this race profile should suit Honore and he has a good chance to feature for stages/GC too.
 
Had a rather uncomplicated operation to remove an accumulation of fat under his kneecap, and has been training pain free since.
Am sure you're right. Just read a couple of more alarming comments about the issue and should have done some more research.

As it is, have ended up with Battistella, and thanks to the comments above from EITB and Safebet, am looking forward to following him with a bit more confidence. Cheers.
 
He is not on my team and honestly, I didn't have him on my radar and knew/know very little about him, but how fast is Paul Penhoët straight speed-wise?

I was just checking a little online and Penhoët seems to be in good form. --- Thursday he did the entire Corkscrew in training at 6/wkg (He is listed at 64kg). So obviously he goes uphill well for a sprinter, I think he ¿maybe could be in contention for a stage win or top-3 this week. There are several chances with this route favoring undulation terrain. A name to follow nonetheless.

Leo Hayter also seem to be going really well :fearscream:...
 
He is not on my team and honestly, I didn't have him on my radar and knew/know very little about him, but how fast is Paul Penhoët straight speed-wise?

I was just checking a little online and Penhoët seems to be in good form. --- Thursday he did the entire Corkscrew in training at 6/wkg (He is listed at 64kg). So obviously he goes uphill well for a sprinter, I think he ¿maybe could be in contention for a stage win or top-3 this week. There are several chances with this route favoring undulation terrain. A name to follow nonetheless.

Leo Hayter also seem to be going really well :fearscream:...

6 w/kg isn't that much for such a short climb, is it?
 
TDU

Baroncini
Ewan
Moscon
Storer
Strong
Fisher-Black
Page
Honore
Schachmann

Don't know what the parcours is like so no idea who it might favour. Really just hoping that two of my less certain picks, Ewan and Storer, do something to ease my qualms about selecting them.

Hard to believe that two weeks from now, there'll be three stage races a day :)
 
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TDU

Baroncini
Ewan
Moscon
Storer
Strong
Fisher-Black
Page
Honore
Schachmann

Don't know what the parcours is like so no idea who it might favour. Really just hoping that two of my less certain picks, Ewan and Storer, do something to ease my qualms about selecting them.

Hard to believe that two weeks from now, there'll be three stage races a day :)
Geez, I’m definitely not ready for the onrush of races, but then again I have some important tests this week then I can focus more on cycling.
 
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Only 4 starters for TDU:

MOSCON Gianni
CATTANEO Mattia
VINE Jay
EWAN Caleb

Haven't followed Moscon or Cattaneo, so no idea what their form is like. At least Vine and Ewan are looking good
 
Took him previous year and what stroke me was how powerful he rode. In terms of the game he wasn't as spectacular, but sometimes he worked for others, sometimes had a bad luck. Was no brainer for me this year as he might be even more powerful and has more leadership responsibilities. TDU seems like a good race for him scoring-wise.
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