The 2023 CQ Ranking Manager Thread

[will-10]

Forget about Ben Healy, Adam Yates & Hirschi. Biggest regret this year is not picking Babyface Sevilla.

Not Riley Sheehan?

 

[DJ Sprtsch]

Not Riley Sheehan?

No, not really. That was a lucky fluke result. Or maybe not, maybe Sheehan is the next big deal who knows. But I don't think I will pick him next year.
But Sevilla (and Mancebo (also Rebellin)) I have wanted to pick for so many years, but never did, as they have been consistent year after year. But I must have overlooked the 2022 result for Sevilla.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Not Riley Sheehan?

Why would he prefer a 205 point profit to a 342 point one?

 

[tobydawq]

Forget about Ben Healy, Adam Yates & Hirschi. Biggest regret this year is not picking Babyface Sevilla.

Rui Costa.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I need another 8 points to reach a 1000 point profit, but it looks like I'll only get them if Óscar Rodriguez and Ion Aberasturi finish Guangxi, so one of them will probably crash out.

 

[skidmark]

Update #40: Senderos with a solid send-off

With the last monument of the season in the books, there are just a smattering of races left before everyone's season winds down. As we've discussed for weeks, it's been pretty wrapped up here in the overall, but there are still the podium places and the weekly wins to dole out and finalize.

This Week's Top Scorers

Rank	Team	Points this week
1	Senderos	1090
2	waku_waku	889
3	Nyssinator	842
4	BlueRoads	811
5	Kazistuta	799

Senderos has a huge week for so late in the season, breaking 1000 points. This is due to having pretty much all the Italian end of season winners: Andrea Bagioli (who had a huge week with 366 points, 17 teams), Primoz Roglic (his last 203 points for Jumbo Visma, and for his 57 owners in this game), Ilan Van Wilder (135, 34) and Per Strand Hagenes (130, 7). What a way to see the season out!

waku waku ends up in second for the week with an also pretty good 889 points, thanks to 3 of the 4 big scorers Senderos had (Hagenes missing), while Nyssinator grabs a podium spot with also 3 of those 4 (Roglic missing).

This Week's High Movers

Rank	Team	Up/down
1	Salvarani	(+12)
2	LaFlorecita	(+11)
3	BlueRoads	(+10)
4	zaka_fan	(+9)
5	Berflamand	(+8)

A different result on this ranking, with Salvarani taking the top spot by moving up 12 in the overall standings, thanks to the QuickStep duo of Bagioli and Van Wilder. LaFlorecita makes an appearance in second (thanks to the same two), while BlueRoads moves onto the podium after being the 4th place team on the Top Scorers ranking, thanks to Roglic and IVW, as well as Carlos Rodriguez (118, 8) and Marc Hirschi (162, 4).

Green Jersey Competition

Rank	Team	Total
1	Blues in the bottle	330.5
2	Senderos	298
3	HoudiniCycling	265
4	zaka_fan	256.3
5	Sneekes	226

Well, this got a bit interesting... Senderos gets a big 45 points for the weekly win, vaulting their team into 2nd overall, while HoudiniCycling (4 points on the week) slips to 3rd and zaka fan (14 on the week) gets a bit closer in 4th. Of interest is the overall - Senderos is within a first place (45 points) or 2nd place (35 points) finish of overtaking Blues in the bottle to win this competition. It may be a bit of a long shot as most if not all of the riders that powered Senderos this week are done their seasons and not participating in this week's Asian races. But it's mathematically possible, which has not been the case here recently for BITB's lead.

Top 10 Overall

Rank	Up/down	Team	Points
1	(-)	Blues in the bottle	16010
2	(+3)	Senderos	15124
3	(-)	repre	14697
4	(+2)	HoudiniCycling	14649
5	(-1)	Sneekes	14615
6	(-4)	Riverside	14561
7	(-)	tobydawq	14511
8	(-)	shalgo	14411
9	(+4)	waku_waku	14389
10	(-1)	will10	14332

Speaking of mathematical possibilities... Senderos leapt back onto the overall podium authoritatively this week, gaining over 500 points on Blues in the bottle and repre to cut BITB's lead to... almost 900 points. With one week to go, it's not mathematically impossible to shrink that gap, but it would take a completely unprecedented development in this game. Senderos is looking good for 2nd overall though, while the fight for 3rd is very close. repre has 48 points on HoudiniCycling, with Sneekes a further 34 points back. Lower down, waku waku moves into the top 10, while oliveira slides out.

This week is likely* the last week of the CQ game, and sees a few Italian 1-day .Pro races, the Chrono des Nations, the now 2.1 Tour of Turkey, and the World Tour finisher in China, as well as the Japan Cup. so a fair amount of racing, and a chance to pick up points for those with riders still riding, as the end-of-season thinned fields are always a bit up for grabs. Good luck in this last week everyone, and thanks again for playing!

*next week there is apparently a 1.1 race in Hong Kong scheduled for the 22nd - as per the rules in post #1, the CQ game ends after the last .1 or higher race. I suspect there may be no scoring riders in this game, but I will certainly offer a final update if there is some scoring.

spreadsheet at dropbox

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Guangxi doesn't finish until next Wednesday, so unless CQ are rolling two weeks into one update the next update won't quite be the last week yet regardless of the HK race.

 

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*next week there is apparently a 1.1 race in Hong Kong scheduled for the 22nd - as per the rules in post #1, the CQ game ends after the last .1 or higher race. I suspect there may be no scoring riders in this game, but I will certainly offer a final update if there is some scoring.

it's organized by the same people as Guangxi and teams were offered additional hotel nights in HK if they are willing to stay. So I guess the start list should actually be alright.

 

[ingsve]

Hello everyone.
I'm planning on making a triumphant return to this game for next season.

I'm guessing it's a bit early for people to be thinking about next season already but I've already started looking at least.

One question I have right away. Will Nairo Quintana be subject to the doping rules for the game? From what I understand he was DQed based on UCI rules but not anti-doping rules? Not sure if it makes a difference in the spirit of this game since his points are still low for 2023, not because of a suspension but because of not finding a team, right?

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Groenewegen's ban was treated under this game's doping rules, although obviously not a doping offence. So there is a precedent for the rules being about a suspension or ban regardless of reason.

But his lost results were in 2022, not 2023. In 2023 he had a low score purely because he was not on a calendar with access to many points.

 

[skidmark]

it's organized by the same people as Guangxi and teams were offered additional hotel nights in HK if they are willing to stay. So I guess the start list should actually be alright.

Gotcha! I missed the whole 'not ending on the weekend' thing too with Guangxi, oops! Okay well I will follow the lead of CQ but looks like it'll probably be 2 more weeks.

 

[Kazistuta]

Wow, how disappointing. Really thought a weekly top5 finish would let me advance from 11th into top10 again. Don't have high hopes for this week.

 

[tobydawq]

My podium dreams were dashed with Søren Kragh crashing at Paris-Bourges. I could have done with him winning Paris-Tours which was looking quite realistic considering his recent form. Teunissen not placing there either was the final nail in the coffin.

For Guangxi, I have Milan, Schachmann, Leo Hayter, Vader, Dekker, Quick and Hellemose.

Numerically decent but miracles need to happen for that to turn into any more points than Milan in the sprints.

 

[Anderis]

I don't seem to be able to access the spreadsheet for the newest update. I get a "xlsx files are supported, but something went wrong." message and this happens on 2 different devices. When I download the file, it needs a very long time to load when I open it, but there aren't any numerical values in there, just "###" in every cell instead.

 

[laarsland]

I don't seem to be able to access the spreadsheet for the newest update. I get a "xlsx files are supported, but something went wrong." message and this happens on 2 different devices. When I download the file, it needs a very long time to load when I open it, but there aren't any numerical values in there, just "###" in every cell instead.

Me too.

 

[tobydawq]

I also had to download it but it showed in Excel without problems.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I also had to download it but it showed in Excel without problems.

I didn't have any issues either.

 

[Anderis]

I also had to download it but it showed in Excel without problems.

The problem may be that I don't have Excel but OpenOffice. But that wasn't a problem for other spreadsheets I downloaded from this thread in the past.

 

[tobydawq]

WALLS INTO PROFIT!!!

 

[Salvarani]

WALLS INTO PROFIT!!!

Denz doubling his win-tally in one season, if anyone saw that coming hats off to you.

 

[tobydawq]

I am a little shocked that Hirschi is above 1800 points for the season. I didn't have a feeling he had been that good.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

I am a little shocked that Hirschi is above 1800 points for the season. I didn't have a feeling he had been that good.

The power of racing a schedule so points-friendly it would almost make Arnaud De Lie blush.

 

[tobydawq]

The power of racing a schedule so points-friendly it would almost make Arnaud De Lie blush.

It must be the least impressive 1800+ season ever.

 

[skidmark]

Hello everyone.
I'm planning on making a triumphant return to this game for next season.

I'm guessing it's a bit early for people to be thinking about next season already but I've already started looking at least.

One question I have right away. Will Nairo Quintana be subject to the doping rules for the game? From what I understand he was DQed based on UCI rules but not anti-doping rules? Not sure if it makes a difference in the spirit of this game since his points are still low for 2023, not because of a suspension but because of not finding a team, right?

Hey! Lovely to see an original intending to return, I hope it is a fruitful return.

I've gotta think about the Quintana case - first reaction would be to follow the letter of the law in the game and make him available at cost, for the reason you note. But I have made specific exceptions before, although that was the Groenewegen case which was a non-doping suspension but didn't feel like it would be in the spirit of the rules created to allow him at cost. Quintana seems more like he's blacklisted because of suspicion, which is less of an obvious offense than what Groenewegen did to Jakobsen.

Anyway I can commit to giving a solid answer by end of October so people can plan their team confidently; if anyone has strong opinions about it share your thoughts here.

 

[laarsland]

Hey! Lovely to see an original intending to return, I hope it is a fruitful return.

I've gotta think about the Quintana case - first reaction would be to follow the letter of the law in the game and make him available at cost, for the reason you note. But I have made specific exceptions before, although that was the Groenewegen case which was a non-doping suspension but didn't feel like it would be in the spirit of the rules created to allow him at cost. Quintana seems more like he's blacklisted because of suspicion, which is less of an obvious offense than what Groenewegen did to Jakobsen.

Anyway I can commit to giving a solid answer by end of October so people can plan their team confidently; if anyone has strong opinions about it share your thoughts here.

My suggestion is you postpone the decision to see whether/what kind of team Quintana signs for.

If he's still out of contract at year's end - make him available at 2023-cost (free)
If he signs with a conti-team: cost at half of 2021-score
If he signs with a PRT/WT-team: cost at 2021-score