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The 2024 CQ Ranking Manager Thread

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It's almost like you didn't understand the assignment at all.
I have to pass on the responsibility to my riders, seems that there is a communication problem between team owner and riders. They are just doing what they want!

Jokes aside, I am moving up to 2nd overall!! Wow!

And I made up 300 points on Shalgo this week.
With just 1400 points behind, this means, that if I continue my run, I will also overtake Shalgo in 5 weeks!

Well on a more serious note, I think this will be my best placing for the season, although it will depend a lot on Ayuso´s autumn schedule and of course his performance there.

Hoped for a bit more from C. Rodriguez at the tour, but the most important thing was, that he finished the race and got in the end the GC points...
 
Shalgo 2024 vs skidmark 2012: A deep dive

With shalgo so far ahead of everyobdy else, it's hard to see how anyone will catch up. There is however still some significant intrigue as to whether their team can become the best CQ squad ever. Up to this point, shalgo has scored 11447 points which is 596 points ahead of skidmark's 2012 pace. That might sound like a lot and it is, but it's also the closest it has been in a long time suggesting skidmark is gaining ground.

Update
shalgo 2024
skidmark 2012
Difference
MSR​
4779​
3027​
1752​
Roubaix​
6219​
5529​
690​
LBL​
6909​
6099​
810​
Giro​
10031​
8976​
1055​
Now​
11447​
10851​
596​
Tour​
?​
12657​
?​
Vuelta​
?​
17333​
?​
Worlds​
?​
18645​
?​
Final​
?​
19372​
?​

Skidmark had a fairly decent Tour highlighted by Van Garderen's 5th place in the GC and finished the race with 12657 points. Shalgo has a very decent squad for the Tour and should be able to at least maintain the gap:
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio
GIRMAY HAILU Biniam
BENNETT Sam
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley
LAURANCE Axel
MOSCON Gianni
CAPIOT Amaury

It's hard to imagine any team scoring 5k from the end of the Tour to the end of the Vuelta so shalgo probably needs to widen the gap now, leak as few points as possible until the end of the world championships and hope for a huge fall classics campaign (with Carapaz, D. Martinez, Cosnefroy, Girmay, Higuita, Schachmann, Morgado, etc. that's certainly a possibility).

If we try to project what shalgo will score post Tour based on previous editions of the game, we can look at what the best post-Tour teams ever averaged the rest of the way. I used all 22 teams that had a bigger post-Tour score than shalgo's current score as my sample. Of those 22 teams, the three that scored the most post-Tour are squire 2021 (7140 points), EITB 2022 (7010 points) and skidmark 2012 (6715 points). That's the issue with trying to keep up with skidmark's 2012 team. Not only was it the second best total ever after the Tour update, at least for now, but it also scored more than almost anyone else during the late season too.
Team
Year
Tour score
Final score
Post-Tour score
EITB​
2012​
12812​
16911​
4099​
skidmark​
2012​
12657​
19372​
6715​
TeoSheva​
2012​
12645​
17096​
4451​
Armchair cyclist​
2012​
12047​
17092​
5045​
Nyssinator​
2012​
12020​
17785​
5765​
Kvinto​
2012​
11727​
18106​
6379​
theyoungest​
2012​
11639​
16116​
4477​
Mellow Velo​
2012​
11551​
15309​
3758​
Luke Schmid​
2012​
11454​
15863​
4409​
GP Blanco​
2015​
11574​
14691​
3117​
Cykeltyven​
2015​
11534​
16209​
4675​
Kjellus​
2015​
11496​
15402​
3906​
Londonpat​
2015​
11469​
14454​
2985​
squire​
2018​
11501​
16091​
4590​
Object​
2021​
12633​
19129​
6496​
Otoxiep87​
2021​
12241​
17643​
5402​
Total Package​
2021​
11995​
18676​
6681​
squire​
2021​
11875​
19015​
7140​
Galpedal​
2021​
11542​
16761​
5219​
squire​
2022​
11701​
16867​
5166​
MADRAZO​
2022​
11680​
17018​
5338​
EITB​
2022​
11652​
18662​
7010​
shalgo​
2024​
11447+​
?​
?​

On average those 22 teams scored 5128 points the rest of the way. If shalgo matched that pace, they would need 14244 after the Tour to beat skidmark. That seems really high. Of course, shalgo's team is better than pretty much all the teams in my sample so it would stand to reason that they would fare better than the average but how much better ? Looking at the 7 teams that were at least at 12k after the Tour they averaged 5425 points the rest of the way. Better but not substantially so. More promising for shalgo is that the post-Tour score seems very heavily correlated to the given year.

The four 2015 teams only averaged 3671 points the rest of the year, the nine 2012 teams averaged 5011 points, the three 2022 teams averaged 5838 points and the five 2021 teams averaged a whooping 6188 points. If we suppose the post-Tour scoring environment will be as friendly as 2021 and shalgo gets around 6200 points post Tour, they would need 13200 points after the Tour update which is about 1700 more than they currently have. Tough but doable.

Looking forward, shalgo's entire team is healthy and available to race besides Piccolo (done for the year I would imagine) and Quintana (should be back fairly soon). At this point skidmark had already lost the much more expensive Offredo for the season so availability gives a slight edge to shalgo.


Some milestones along the way (in parenthesis the team currently holding the spot)
Top score ever: 19372 (skidmark 2012)
Top 3 score ever: 19015 (Squire 2021)
Top 5 score ever: 18662 (EITB 2022)
Top 10 score ever: 17643 (Otoxiep87 2021)
Top 20 score ever: 17009 (Boris98 2021)
Top 30 score ever: 16761 (Galpedal 2021)
Top 50 score ever: 16209 (Cykeltyven 2015*)
Top 75 score ever: 15759 (rote lanterne 2021)
Top 100 score ever: 15382 (ansimi 2021)

* That was the winning score in 2015, it wasn't a great CQ year.
Shalgo will be at 12621 points after the Tour which means that my 2012 team remains (barely) the highest scoring team at that point of the season but more importantly their team drops behind skidmark's 2012 pace for the first time. It's still worth tracking as long as the two teams are fairly close but it's now pretty unlikely that skidmark will cede the title of best team ever.

Running a linear regression on the leading score post-Tour vs final winning score in previous years puts shalgo's predicted total around 18650 points which is right in the range of the #4 (Total Package 2021, 18676) and #5 (EITB 2022, 18662) teams of all time which would also set up a dramatic finish.
 
I somehow have six people (Christen, Morgado, Albanese, Pedrero, Kanter, Oldani) in Castilla y León today, if only more of them were sprinters...
That's a smashing lineup for a random slightly hilly 1.1 race though. I have three of those guys. I'm really liking what Oldani is doing at the moment. Finally farming small races as he should be. Hopefully I haven't jinxed him for today, now.

Yes, the Tour was not good for my team, with Ayuso dropping out and Bernal underperforming. It's also a little hard to see where my points are coming from over the rest of the season, though at least Cosnefroy was looking frisky today in Wallonie.
Until June it looked like there was only one right answer to what the best strategy was when it came down to expensive picks, but now it's more up in the air. Ayuso, Rodriguez, Mas and Pidcock all look quite samey at this point (putting Mas in there despite lagging a bit behind as he's probably the safest bet for solid Vuelta points).

Obviously you don't have much to fear with banger picks like Girmay and Cosnefroy, who are looking like the game-winning picks at the moment. But as you and adamski101 are the only ones profiting majorly from both, the rest of us still have quite the fight on our hand based on how our Spanish GC riders (or in my case, British non-GC rider) do.

Even if you're unlikely to beat skidmark 2012, you can still shoot for biggest winning margin I assume. And EITB might have numbers on this too.
 
Update #27: Tadej is the greatest

While we knew that the two teams with Tadej Pogacar in this game would have a good week with GC points alone, he added three stages, leaders' jersey points for the whole week, 2nd in the mountains and 4th in the points classification, adding a total of 1015 points on the week! For context, this is more points in a week than any of Carlos Rodriguez, Joao Almeida, or Alexander Vlasov have this year, or 8 points less than Juan Ayuso got last year.

Beyond that, his now-record-for-a-year (and counting) CQ score of 4236 is almost 1000 points more than 2nd (Philipsen) and 3rd (Evenepoel) have combined in 2024. That is astonishing. Is he finally too expensive to be a good pick in this game? I would think so but have been consistently proven wrong.

This Week's Top Scorers

RankTeamPoints this week
1Amethyst1573
2firefly33231152
3Googolplex1052
4Riverside941
5ray10873

Amethyst takes the top spot this week of course, thanks to the strategy of betting it all on Pogacar (1015 points, 2 teams) and Evenepoel (475, 2). firefly3323 manages to squeeze into 2nd without Pogi with a good set of selections including unique pick Matteo Jorgenson (305), not unique pick RIchard Carapaz (308, 69 teams), Carlos Rodriguez (230, 24), Enric Mas (129, 14) and Bini Girmay (100, 48). Googolplex gets third primarily on Pogi points, with 3 other riders scoring between 2 and 25 points for them this week.

This Week's High Movers

RankTeamUp/down
1Amethyst(+15)
2Googolplex(+9)
3Riverside(+8)
4nbfc1962(+7)
5Armchair cyclist(+6)
5firefly3323(+6)
5Fivezzz(+6)

Amethyst doubles up here, moving a further 15 spots up in the overall. Googolplex also repeats on the podium, while Riverside nabs the third spot here.

Green Jersey Competition

RankTeamTotal
1Googolplex294
2shalgo226
3Jakob747186
4Amethyst177
5HoudiniCycling149
5Shakes149

Googolplex expands their team's lead here, and with 65 points in the last two weeks they now have a 68 point lead over shalgo in second. Amethyst's win - and 116 points in the last 4 weeks - moves them into the top 5 as well.

Top 10 Overall


RankUp/downTeamPoints
1(-)shalgo12621
2(+2)Earns198511211
3(-)EvansIsTheBest11103
4(+1)skidmark11056
5(-3)adamski10111040
6(-)MADRAZO10934
7(-)HoudiniCycling10779
8(-)Nakazar10684
9(+2)Gotland10620
10(-1)Total Package10619

shalgo finishes 43rd on the week, lower than 8 of the top 10 teams overall. But their team's lead remains about the same as adamski101 finishes 67th on the week, tumbling out of 2nd place as the only team in the top 10 to lose ground to shalgo. Earns1985 is now the only team within 1500 points of shalgo's formidable squad. Although shalgo is showing Pogi-like dominance this year, unfortunately for other teams this doesn't work like a bike race, and shalgo can't get fatigued from all those weeks in the leader's jersey and lose points in a single bad day or something. The teams behind will have to earn (or Earns, in the case of our 2nd place team) those points to close the gap, and there isn't a ton of season left.

Despite the GC points on offer this week, there isn't much movement as 7 of the top 10 teams are within 120 points of each other on the week. Gotland moves into the top 10 at the expense of Squire, who falls back to 11th.

Now that the Tour is over, we diversify our attention towards the smattering of later summer races. This week sees the stage race Tour of Wallonie, the now 1-day Castilla y Leon, the Volta Portugal, and in the normal place of San Sebastian (which has moved back to August), we have the Olympics TT.

spreadsheet link
 
That's a smashing lineup for a random slightly hilly 1.1 race though. I have three of those guys. I'm really liking what Oldani is doing at the moment. Finally farming small races as he should be. Hopefully I haven't jinxed him for today, now.


Until June it looked like there was only one right answer to what the best strategy was when it came down to expensive picks, but now it's more up in the air. Ayuso, Rodriguez, Mas and Pidcock all look quite samey at this point (putting Mas in there despite lagging a bit behind as he's probably the safest bet for solid Vuelta points).

Obviously you don't have much to fear with banger picks like Girmay and Cosnefroy, who are looking like the game-winning picks at the moment. But as you and adamski101 are the only ones profiting majorly from both, the rest of us still have quite the fight on our hand based on how our Spanish GC riders (or in my case, British non-GC rider) do.

Even if you're unlikely to beat skidmark 2012, you can still shoot for biggest winning margin I assume. And EITB might have numbers on this too.
Year
Team
Winning Margin
Winning %
2012​
1266​
106.99%​
2022​
1077​
106.12%​
2023​
893​
105.78%​
2016​
685​
104.66%​
2014​
674​
104.92%​
2015​
593​
103.80%​
2020​
490​
105.15%​
2011​
447​
103.32%​
2018​
414​
102.57%​
2019​
180​
101.25%​
2017​
169​
101.08%​
2021​
114​
100.60%​
2013​
20​
100.15%​

Winning by 100 points if the two top teams score 20000 points indicates a much tighter race than if both teams score 1000 points. To account for that, I have included the winning % (computed by dividing the winning score by the second place team score). In both metrics (1410 points winning margin and 112.58% winning %), shalgo is well ahead of the pack. While their team hasn't kept up with skidmark 2012 in recent weeks, it has still steadily increased its lead on the field so there's no obvious reason why that won't hold to the finish.
 
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Wandahl into profit! Whop-wooo.

However, it's not gonna help me much for my hope to re-escape out of last place, several Spanish races coming up, and Samu have a whole pile of Basque riders for those.

Judged from the Spanish races this week, I'm not sure I'll be scoring that many points. It looks like Okamika and Bizkarra might score me some in Portugal, but still fewer than Txomin Juaristi achieved last year.
 
So with Thomas Gloag scoring in his first race after his injury, it´s not completely out of question anymore, that he can still outscore his 2023 points. Because I don´t have Piccolo, theoretically it´s still possible, that every rider of me could be in profit at the end of the season.

Let´s have a look at my riders not into profit yet:

Full NameCurrent Points2023 Points
TEUNS Dylan
319​
384​
HAYTER Ethan
248​
476​
MEINTJES Louis
207​
264​
LUND ANDRESEN Tobias
192​
249​
FOSS Tobias Svendsen
180​
197​
BUSATTO Francesco
148​
186​
STAUNE-MITTET Johannes
94​
108​
TURNER Ben
87​
158​
GLOAG Thomas
35​
171​
HAYTER Leo
15​
97​

Teuns: A bit dissapointing yet, but normally should still go into profit in the end
E. Hayter: One of the biggest dissapointments yet (also that he opted out of the Olympics ITT). Of course not impossible to go into profit with a descent autumn calender, but a big task.
Meintjes: Also dissapointing right now, but with Vuelta GC points or GC points from another race, normally should still be in profit by the end of the season.
Lund Andresen: Had an horrific schedule until now, but now his time, where he can ride on his own results will begin, so think that he will go into profit in the next couple of weeks.
Foss: Also dissapointing until now, but the remaining 17 points he should at least get from the Worlds TT or some other minor races..
Busatto: Had been good in the beginning of the season, but didn´t scrore that much in the last couple of month. One good race could be enough for him to go into profit. So potential is there, but surely not a given.
Staune-Mittet: Also a bit dissapointing this season yet. Also his performance in the Czech Tour (where he crashed out last year, while being in second position), wasn´t good. Well, let´s at least hope, he will get the remaining 14 points somewhere. Of course this at least is possible.
B. Turner: Well thing is he is mostly riding as domestique. Had been dissapointing in the cobble races, where he could ride on his own. To come into profit, one really good race could be sufficient, but the question is where and when this could happen. So together with L. Hayter, E. Hayter and Gloag one of the biggest question marks..
Gloag: Scored in his first race after a long break, which of course is a very good signal. Still a long way to go into profit, but not impossible anymore.
L. Hayter: Well, what can one say to him. Also big dissapointment this season yet. Right now, don´t know where his remaining points should come from. But same for him, one good race could be enough in the end to go into profit, so fingers crossed.

Summarising, one can say, that most of my Ineos riders had been the biggest disspointments this season for me yet. More or less all the others will realistically be into profit at the end of the season. (Exception Gloag perhaps)
 
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So with Thomas Gloag scoring in his first race after his injury, it´s not completely out of question anymore, that he can still outscore his 2023 points. Because I don´t have Piccolo, theoretically it´s still possible, that every rider of me could be in profit at the end of the season.

Let´s have a look at my riders not into profit yet:

Full NameCurrent Points2023 Points
TEUNS Dylan
319​
384​
HAYTER Ethan
248​
476​
MEINTJES Louis
207​
264​
LUND ANDRESEN Tobias
192​
249​
FOSS Tobias Svendsen
180​
197​
BUSATTO Francesco
148​
186​
STAUNE-MITTET Johannes
94​
108​
TURNER Ben
87​
158​
GLOAG Thomas
35​
171​
HAYTER Leo
15​
97​

Teuns: A bit dissapointing yet, but normally should still go into profit in the end
E. Hayter: One of the biggest dissapointments yet (also that he opted out of the Olympics ITT). Of course not impossible to go into profit with a descent autumn calender, but a big task.
Meintjes: Also dissapointing right now, but with Vuelta GC points or GC points from another race, normally should still be in profit by the end of the season.
Lund Andresen: Had an horrific schedule until now, but now his time, where he can ride on his own results will begin, so think that he will go into profit in the next couple of weeks.
Foss: Also dissapointing until now, but the remaining 17 points he should at least get from the Worlds TT or some other minor races..
Busatto: Had been good in the beginning of the season, but didn´t scrore that much in the last couple of month. One good race could be enough for him to go into profit. So potential is there, but surely not a given.
Staune-Mittet: Also a bit dissapointing this season yet. Also his performance in the Czech Tour (where he crashed out last year, while being in second position), wasn´t good. Well, let´s at least hope, he will get the remaining 14 points somewhere. Of course this at least is possible.
B. Turner: Well thing is he is mostly riding as domestique. Had been dissapointing in the cobble races, where he could ride on his own. To come into profit, one really good race could be sufficient, but the question is where and when this could happen. So together with L. Hayter, E. Hayter and Gloag one of the biggest question marks..
Gloag: Scored in his first race after a long break, which of course is a very good signal. Still a long way to go into profit, but not impossible anymore.
L. Hayter: Well, what can one say to him. Also big dissapointment this season yet. Right now, don´t know where his remaining points should come from. But same for him, one good race could be enough in the end to go into profit, so fingers crossed.

Summarising, one can say, that most of my Ineos riders had been the biggest disspointments this season for me yet. More or less all the others will realistically be into profit at the end of the season. (Exception Gloag perhaps)
You could actually be ridiculously close to a fully green team. But I think Leo Hayter will not get there. Turner also a big question mark. I think Gloag will get enough from assorted Italian classics etc. to turn a profit.
 
You could actually be ridiculously close to a fully green team. But I think Leo Hayter will not get there. Turner also a big question mark. I think Gloag will get enough from assorted Italian classics etc. to turn a profit.
For L. Hayter I have to hope for an unexpected good performance at the Tour of Guangxi like last year. There he got half of his season points last year, without having raced since may. (which is also the case this year, only god knows why..)