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I have to pass on the responsibility to my riders, seems that there is a communication problem between team owner and riders. They are just doing what they want!It's almost like you didn't understand the assignment at all.
Shalgo will be at 12621 points after the Tour which means that my 2012 team remains (barely) the highest scoring team at that point of the season but more importantly their team drops behind skidmark's 2012 pace for the first time. It's still worth tracking as long as the two teams are fairly close but it's now pretty unlikely that skidmark will cede the title of best team ever.Shalgo 2024 vs skidmark 2012: A deep dive
With shalgo so far ahead of everyobdy else, it's hard to see how anyone will catch up. There is however still some significant intrigue as to whether their team can become the best CQ squad ever. Up to this point, shalgo has scored 11447 points which is 596 points ahead of skidmark's 2012 pace. That might sound like a lot and it is, but it's also the closest it has been in a long time suggesting skidmark is gaining ground.
Update shalgo 2024 skidmark 2012 Difference MSR 4779 3027 1752 Roubaix 6219 5529 690 LBL 6909 6099 810 Giro 10031 8976 1055 Now 11447 10851 596 Tour ? 12657 ? Vuelta ? 17333 ? Worlds ? 18645 ? Final ? 19372 ?
Skidmark had a fairly decent Tour highlighted by Van Garderen's 5th place in the GC and finished the race with 12657 points. Shalgo has a very decent squad for the Tour and should be able to at least maintain the gap:
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio
GIRMAY HAILU Biniam
BENNETT Sam
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley
LAURANCE Axel
MOSCON Gianni
CAPIOT Amaury
It's hard to imagine any team scoring 5k from the end of the Tour to the end of the Vuelta so shalgo probably needs to widen the gap now, leak as few points as possible until the end of the world championships and hope for a huge fall classics campaign (with Carapaz, D. Martinez, Cosnefroy, Girmay, Higuita, Schachmann, Morgado, etc. that's certainly a possibility).
If we try to project what shalgo will score post Tour based on previous editions of the game, we can look at what the best post-Tour teams ever averaged the rest of the way. I used all 22 teams that had a bigger post-Tour score than shalgo's current score as my sample. Of those 22 teams, the three that scored the most post-Tour are squire 2021 (7140 points), EITB 2022 (7010 points) and skidmark 2012 (6715 points). That's the issue with trying to keep up with skidmark's 2012 team. Not only was it the second best total ever after the Tour update, at least for now, but it also scored more than almost anyone else during the late season too.
Team Year Tour score Final score Post-Tour score EITB 2012 12812 16911 4099 skidmark 2012 12657 19372 6715 TeoSheva 2012 12645 17096 4451 Armchair cyclist 2012 12047 17092 5045 Nyssinator 2012 12020 17785 5765 Kvinto 2012 11727 18106 6379 theyoungest 2012 11639 16116 4477 Mellow Velo 2012 11551 15309 3758 Luke Schmid 2012 11454 15863 4409 GP Blanco 2015 11574 14691 3117 Cykeltyven 2015 11534 16209 4675 Kjellus 2015 11496 15402 3906 Londonpat 2015 11469 14454 2985 squire 2018 11501 16091 4590 Object 2021 12633 19129 6496 Otoxiep87 2021 12241 17643 5402 Total Package 2021 11995 18676 6681 squire 2021 11875 19015 7140 Galpedal 2021 11542 16761 5219 squire 2022 11701 16867 5166 MADRAZO 2022 11680 17018 5338 EITB 2022 11652 18662 7010 shalgo 2024 11447+ ? ?
On average those 22 teams scored 5128 points the rest of the way. If shalgo matched that pace, they would need 14244 after the Tour to beat skidmark. That seems really high. Of course, shalgo's team is better than pretty much all the teams in my sample so it would stand to reason that they would fare better than the average but how much better ? Looking at the 7 teams that were at least at 12k after the Tour they averaged 5425 points the rest of the way. Better but not substantially so. More promising for shalgo is that the post-Tour score seems very heavily correlated to the given year.
The four 2015 teams only averaged 3671 points the rest of the year, the nine 2012 teams averaged 5011 points, the three 2022 teams averaged 5838 points and the five 2021 teams averaged a whooping 6188 points. If we suppose the post-Tour scoring environment will be as friendly as 2021 and shalgo gets around 6200 points post Tour, they would need 13200 points after the Tour update which is about 1700 more than they currently have. Tough but doable.
Looking forward, shalgo's entire team is healthy and available to race besides Piccolo (done for the year I would imagine) and Quintana (should be back fairly soon). At this point skidmark had already lost the much more expensive Offredo for the season so availability gives a slight edge to shalgo.
Some milestones along the way (in parenthesis the team currently holding the spot)
Top score ever: 19372 (skidmark 2012)
Top 3 score ever: 19015 (Squire 2021)
Top 5 score ever: 18662 (EITB 2022)
Top 10 score ever: 17643 (Otoxiep87 2021)
Top 20 score ever: 17009 (Boris98 2021)
Top 30 score ever: 16761 (Galpedal 2021)
Top 50 score ever: 16209 (Cykeltyven 2015*)
Top 75 score ever: 15759 (rote lanterne 2021)
Top 100 score ever: 15382 (ansimi 2021)
* That was the winning score in 2015, it wasn't a great CQ year.
That's a smashing lineup for a random slightly hilly 1.1 race though. I have three of those guys. I'm really liking what Oldani is doing at the moment. Finally farming small races as he should be. Hopefully I haven't jinxed him for today, now.I somehow have six people (Christen, Morgado, Albanese, Pedrero, Kanter, Oldani) in Castilla y León today, if only more of them were sprinters...
Until June it looked like there was only one right answer to what the best strategy was when it came down to expensive picks, but now it's more up in the air. Ayuso, Rodriguez, Mas and Pidcock all look quite samey at this point (putting Mas in there despite lagging a bit behind as he's probably the safest bet for solid Vuelta points).Yes, the Tour was not good for my team, with Ayuso dropping out and Bernal underperforming. It's also a little hard to see where my points are coming from over the rest of the season, though at least Cosnefroy was looking frisky today in Wallonie.
Rank | Team | Points this week |
1 | Amethyst | 1573 |
2 | firefly3323 | 1152 |
3 | Googolplex | 1052 |
4 | Riverside | 941 |
5 | ray10 | 873 |
Rank | Team | Up/down |
1 | Amethyst | (+15) |
2 | Googolplex | (+9) |
3 | Riverside | (+8) |
4 | nbfc1962 | (+7) |
5 | Armchair cyclist | (+6) |
5 | firefly3323 | (+6) |
5 | Fivezzz | (+6) |
Rank | Team | Total |
1 | Googolplex | 294 |
2 | shalgo | 226 |
3 | Jakob747 | 186 |
4 | Amethyst | 177 |
5 | HoudiniCycling | 149 |
5 | Shakes | 149 |
Rank | Up/down | Team | Points |
1 | (-) | shalgo | 12621 |
2 | (+2) | Earns1985 | 11211 |
3 | (-) | EvansIsTheBest | 11103 |
4 | (+1) | skidmark | 11056 |
5 | (-3) | adamski101 | 11040 |
6 | (-) | MADRAZO | 10934 |
7 | (-) | HoudiniCycling | 10779 |
8 | (-) | Nakazar | 10684 |
9 | (+2) | Gotland | 10620 |
10 | (-1) | Total Package | 10619 |
That's a smashing lineup for a random slightly hilly 1.1 race though. I have three of those guys. I'm really liking what Oldani is doing at the moment. Finally farming small races as he should be. Hopefully I haven't jinxed him for today, now.
Until June it looked like there was only one right answer to what the best strategy was when it came down to expensive picks, but now it's more up in the air. Ayuso, Rodriguez, Mas and Pidcock all look quite samey at this point (putting Mas in there despite lagging a bit behind as he's probably the safest bet for solid Vuelta points).
Obviously you don't have much to fear with banger picks like Girmay and Cosnefroy, who are looking like the game-winning picks at the moment. But as you and adamski101 are the only ones profiting majorly from both, the rest of us still have quite the fight on our hand based on how our Spanish GC riders (or in my case, British non-GC rider) do.
Even if you're unlikely to beat skidmark 2012, you can still shoot for biggest winning margin I assume. And EITB might have numbers on this too.
Year | Team | Winning Margin | Winning % |
2012 | 1266 | 106.99% | |
2022 | 1077 | 106.12% | |
2023 | 893 | 105.78% | |
2016 | 685 | 104.66% | |
2014 | 674 | 104.92% | |
2015 | 593 | 103.80% | |
2020 | 490 | 105.15% | |
2011 | 447 | 103.32% | |
2018 | 414 | 102.57% | |
2019 | 180 | 101.25% | |
2017 | 169 | 101.08% | |
2021 | 114 | 100.60% | |
2013 | 20 | 100.15% |
Wasn't sure if anyone would catch thatKudos on the Smashing Pumpkins reference, @skidmark !👍
Wandahl into profit! Whop-wooo.
However, it's not gonna help me much for my hope to re-escape out of last place, several Spanish races coming up, and Samu have a whole pile of Basque riders for those.
Only 1500 more to close the gap to shalgo.Gloag is finally starting to get points this season.
We gotta hope and pray for Sheffield to stay upright today.Only 1500 more to close the gap to shalgo.
Sometimes I hate being right.Here is not only my entire team but also the highly scientific method I have used to select the 33 picks that will carry me to victory.
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SHEFFIELD Magnus (573 points, 22 picks) - Negatives: Crashed in every race in 2023.
Full Name | Current Points | 2023 Points |
TEUNS Dylan | 319 | 384 |
HAYTER Ethan | 248 | 476 |
MEINTJES Louis | 207 | 264 |
LUND ANDRESEN Tobias | 192 | 249 |
FOSS Tobias Svendsen | 180 | 197 |
BUSATTO Francesco | 148 | 186 |
STAUNE-MITTET Johannes | 94 | 108 |
TURNER Ben | 87 | 158 |
GLOAG Thomas | 35 | 171 |
HAYTER Leo | 15 | 97 |
You could actually be ridiculously close to a fully green team. But I think Leo Hayter will not get there. Turner also a big question mark. I think Gloag will get enough from assorted Italian classics etc. to turn a profit.So with Thomas Gloag scoring in his first race after his injury, it´s not completely out of question anymore, that he can still outscore his 2023 points. Because I don´t have Piccolo, theoretically it´s still possible, that every rider of me could be in profit at the end of the season.
Let´s have a look at my riders not into profit yet:
Full Name Current Points 2023 Points TEUNS Dylan 319 384HAYTER Ethan 248 476MEINTJES Louis 207 264LUND ANDRESEN Tobias 192 249FOSS Tobias Svendsen 180 197BUSATTO Francesco 148 186STAUNE-MITTET Johannes 94 108TURNER Ben 87 158GLOAG Thomas 35 171HAYTER Leo 15 97
Teuns: A bit dissapointing yet, but normally should still go into profit in the end
E. Hayter: One of the biggest dissapointments yet (also that he opted out of the Olympics ITT). Of course not impossible to go into profit with a descent autumn calender, but a big task.
Meintjes: Also dissapointing right now, but with Vuelta GC points or GC points from another race, normally should still be in profit by the end of the season.
Lund Andresen: Had an horrific schedule until now, but now his time, where he can ride on his own results will begin, so think that he will go into profit in the next couple of weeks.
Foss: Also dissapointing until now, but the remaining 17 points he should at least get from the Worlds TT or some other minor races..
Busatto: Had been good in the beginning of the season, but didn´t scrore that much in the last couple of month. One good race could be enough for him to go into profit. So potential is there, but surely not a given.
Staune-Mittet: Also a bit dissapointing this season yet. Also his performance in the Czech Tour (where he crashed out last year, while being in second position), wasn´t good. Well, let´s at least hope, he will get the remaining 14 points somewhere. Of course this at least is possible.
B. Turner: Well thing is he is mostly riding as domestique. Had been dissapointing in the cobble races, where he could ride on his own. To come into profit, one really good race could be sufficient, but the question is where and when this could happen. So together with L. Hayter, E. Hayter and Gloag one of the biggest question marks..
Gloag: Scored in his first race after a long break, which of course is a very good signal. Still a long way to go into profit, but not impossible anymore.
L. Hayter: Well, what can one say to him. Also big dissapointment this season yet. Right now, don´t know where his remaining points should come from. But same for him, one good race could be enough in the end to go into profit, so fingers crossed.
Summarising, one can say, that most of my Ineos riders had been the biggest disspointments this season for me yet. More or less all the others will realistically be into profit at the end of the season. (Exception Gloag perhaps)
For L. Hayter I have to hope for an unexpected good performance at the Tour of Guangxi like last year. There he got half of his season points last year, without having raced since may. (which is also the case this year, only god knows why..)You could actually be ridiculously close to a fully green team. But I think Leo Hayter will not get there. Turner also a big question mark. I think Gloag will get enough from assorted Italian classics etc. to turn a profit.