The 2026 CQ Ranking Manager Thread

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There's still a ton of value in Evenepoel just reliably getting over 2000 points. That's such a high amount for a single pick that even at 2500 he'll still be pretty good and not a serious detriment for a team hoping to win it all. Just didn't think the upside was significant enough to gamble on. Think he'll just end up being a decent enough pick, but since I'm bound to also have a few busts I aimed for more high risk - high reward picks like Roglic.
 
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@Armchair Cyclist - Thank you for sending me a list linking PCS to CQ names. It's not completely valid going forward as names are subject to change and ideally its based on identifiers but works well enough.

I added it to everyone's team page. Here for @Armchair Cyclist ==>

Might make another page, but not today, showing upcoming races with number of riders from our game competing.
Just realized what you just implemented!
Such a good function! :) Thanks really for that!
No more srcolling through PCS startlists anymore. What should I do with the 10% of my working time that has been freed up? My boss will thank you for that! ;)
 
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@Armchair Cyclist - Thank you for sending me a list linking PCS to CQ names. It's not completely valid going forward as names are subject to change and ideally its based on identifiers but works well enough.

I added it to everyone's team page. Here for @Armchair Cyclist ==>

Might make another page, but not today, showing upcoming races with number of riders from our game competing.
That’s a magnificent feature. Looking at it for now my riders are being very lazy and waiting until closer to spring to start their seasons unless they are just being shy about announcing their plans for the early season schedule.
 
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Speaking of announcing plans ...

I wonder if someone at PCS reads this thread. :D Shortly after me and @Kazistuta discussed that AWP interview from mid-December where his participation in the opening weekend was confirmed, he was added to the startlist for those on PCS.
 
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.9 days to the TDU. What frivolity am I going to spend all that time on.... the Aussie Nationals are such a tease.
Yeah, to overcome this time, we can start to discuss the pre-startlist of the race:

These should be the riders, who are picked in this game and will participate. If you wonder about the sorting, it´s popularity multiplied with 2025 points, which is a good indicator in my eyes, which riders are the most important participating riders for this game. Quite a huge number! Nearly half of the startlist had been picked!

@Shakes: To receive this overview, when you click on a race on your website, would be fantastic!

RiderPopularityPoints 2025
VAN EETVELT Lennert
68​
302​
O'CONNOR Ben
28​
563​
BRENNAN Matthew
11​
1115​
PITHIE Laurence
46​
228​
LAMPERTI Luke
25​
235​
HAGENES Per Strand
36​
106​
ZANA Filippo
13​
237​
TEUTENBERG Tim Torn
7​
298​
GAUTHERAT Pierre
9​
213​
KRON Andreas Lorentz
38​
50​
BRENNER Marco
9​
191​
WELSFORD Sam
5​
318​
NOVAK Pavel
15​
97​
DAINESE Alberto
4​
332​
VAN UDEN Casper
7​
187​
FISHER-BLACK Finn
3​
406​
VINE Jay
1​
1190​
THORNLEY Callum
9​
118​
LEONARD Michael
5​
168​
DINHAM Matthew
33​
25​
YATES Adam
1​
793​
TUCKWELL Luke
17​
46​
SCHIFFER Anton
3​
209​
L'HOTE Antoine
9​
69​
RACCAGNI NOVIERO Andrea
3​
178​
SENTJENS Sente
11​
46​
CHARMIG Anthon
2​
226​
ZAMBANINI Edoardo
1​
443​
TAMINIAUX Lionel
9​
42​
GLIVAR Gal
6​
60​
HAIG Jack
3​
116​
CAVAGNA Rémi
2​
162​
ZIMMERMANN Georg
1​
314​
ROMELE Alessandro
3​
88​
FIORELLI Filippo
1​
246​
ERZEN Zak
3​
70​
PEDERSEN Casper
1​
208​
BUSATTO Francesco
1​
207​
DONNENWIRTH Tom
2​
98​
INGEBRIGTSEN Storm
4​
47​
REINDERINK Pepijn
2​
90​
CHAMBERLAIN Oscar
4​
37​
SCHRETTL Marco
1​
119​
ZIJLAARD Maikel
1​
107​
O'BRIEN Kelland
1​
101​
KNOX James
1​
85​
KAJAMINI Florian Samuel
2​
40​
PEACE Oliver
3​
26​
STANNARD Robert
1​
65​
REX Tim
7​
9​
THOMPSON Reuben
1​
60​
VAN DER HOORN Taco
1​
59​
HUISING Menno
1​
57​
DRIZNERS Jarrad
1​
50​
TONEATTI Davide
1​
49​
MATTIO Pietro
2​
24​
PORTER Rudy
1​
44​
FOX Matthew
1​
36​
VAN DER MEULEN Max
1​
35​
URIANSTAD BUGGE Martin
3​
5​
VAN BEKKUM Darren
1​
10​
MCKENZIE Hamish
8​
1​
GREENWOOD Matthew
1​
3​
BALLERSTEDT Maurice
9​
0​
FONTAINE Titouan
2​
0​
 
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There's still a ton of value in Evenepoel just reliably getting over 2000 points. That's such a high amount for a single pick that even at 2500 he'll still be pretty good and not a serious detriment for a team hoping to win it all. Just didn't think the upside was significant enough to gamble on. Think he'll just end up being a decent enough pick, but since I'm bound to also have a few busts I aimed for more high risk - high reward picks like Roglic.
I'm not sure how true that is. At 2500 points he has a profit of 30%. That contributed to a team that scores overall 9720 if the whole team performed like that. And it's a significant proportion of the teams cost.

Looking at Salvaranis winning team last year and seeing how many riders returned that little and seeing how much they cost it lands on 1958 (by being generous and counting Plapp at 34% profit). That's basically the same cost as Evenepoel but spread over 7 "underperforming" riders. That means a team with Remco scoring 2500 could not afford to have any other flops below 30% profit if you want to have a similar failure rate as the last years winning team.

That seems like a rather significant handicap for the rest of the team to compensate.

Raising Remco's score to 3000 points instead means a profit of 55% and that raises the cost of riders in Salvaranis team scoring less than that to 2878 points. That gives the Remco team another 950 points worth of players who can also afford to score lower than 55% profit in order to have a similar failure rate. Now that's at least starting to look a little more reasonable.
 
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Yeah, to overcome this time, we can start to discuss the pre-startlist of the race:

These should be the riders, who are picked in this game and will participate. If you wonder about the sorting, it´s popularity multiplied with 2025 points, which is a good indicator in my eyes, which riders are the most important participating riders for this game. Quite a huge number! Nearly half of the startlist had been picked!

@Shakes: To receive this overview, when you click on a race on your website, would be fantastic!

RiderPopularityPoints 2025
VAN EETVELT Lennert
68​
302​
O'CONNOR Ben
28​
563​
BRENNAN Matthew
11​
1115​
PITHIE Laurence
46​
228​
LAMPERTI Luke
25​
235​
HAGENES Per Strand
36​
106​
ZANA Filippo
13​
237​
TEUTENBERG Tim Torn
7​
298​
GAUTHERAT Pierre
9​
213​
KRON Andreas Lorentz
38​
50​
BRENNER Marco
9​
191​
WELSFORD Sam
5​
318​
NOVAK Pavel
15​
97​
DAINESE Alberto
4​
332​
VAN UDEN Casper
7​
187​
FISHER-BLACK Finn
3​
406​
VINE Jay
1​
1190​
THORNLEY Callum
9​
118​
LEONARD Michael
5​
168​
DINHAM Matthew
33​
25​
YATES Adam
1​
793​
TUCKWELL Luke
17​
46​
SCHIFFER Anton
3​
209​
L'HOTE Antoine
9​
69​
RACCAGNI NOVIERO Andrea
3​
178​
SENTJENS Sente
11​
46​
CHARMIG Anthon
2​
226​
ZAMBANINI Edoardo
1​
443​
TAMINIAUX Lionel
9​
42​
GLIVAR Gal
6​
60​
HAIG Jack
3​
116​
CAVAGNA Rémi
2​
162​
ZIMMERMANN Georg
1​
314​
ROMELE Alessandro
3​
88​
FIORELLI Filippo
1​
246​
ERZEN Zak
3​
70​
PEDERSEN Casper
1​
208​
BUSATTO Francesco
1​
207​
DONNENWIRTH Tom
2​
98​
INGEBRIGTSEN Storm
4​
47​
REINDERINK Pepijn
2​
90​
CHAMBERLAIN Oscar
4​
37​
SCHRETTL Marco
1​
119​
ZIJLAARD Maikel
1​
107​
O'BRIEN Kelland
1​
101​
KNOX James
1​
85​
KAJAMINI Florian Samuel
2​
40​
PEACE Oliver
3​
26​
STANNARD Robert
1​
65​
REX Tim
7​
9​
THOMPSON Reuben
1​
60​
VAN DER HOORN Taco
1​
59​
HUISING Menno
1​
57​
DRIZNERS Jarrad
1​
50​
TONEATTI Davide
1​
49​
MATTIO Pietro
2​
24​
PORTER Rudy
1​
44​
FOX Matthew
1​
36​
VAN DER MEULEN Max
1​
35​
URIANSTAD BUGGE Martin
3​
5​
VAN BEKKUM Darren
1​
10​
MCKENZIE Hamish
8​
1​
GREENWOOD Matthew
1​
3​
BALLERSTEDT Maurice
9​
0​
FONTAINE Titouan
2​
0​
Pretty sure I have Buitrago participating, and he's not on your list.

I'm not sure how true that is. At 2500 points he has a profit of 30%. That contributed to a team that scores overall 9720 if the whole team performed like that. And it's a significant proportion of the teams cost.

Looking at Salvaranis winning team last year and seeing how many riders returned that little and seeing how much they cost it lands on 1958 (by being generous and counting Plapp at 34% profit). That's basically the same cost as Evenepoel but spread over 7 "underperforming" riders. That means a team with Remco scoring 2500 could not afford to have any other flops below 30% profit if you want to have a similar failure rate as the last years winning team.

That seems like a rather significant handicap for the rest of the team to compensate.

Raising Remco's score to 3000 points instead means a profit of 55% and that raises the cost of riders in Salvaranis team scoring less than that to 2878 points. That gives the Remco team another 950 points worth of players who can also afford to score lower than 55% profit in order to have a similar failure rate. Now that's at least starting to look a little more reasonable.
I did some numbers on this some years back in the context of picking Valverde when he was fairly popular. One important thing to consider is that a lower budget is expected to give a larger % return. So a Remco team's other 32 riders will likely have a higher % return in total than the 33 riders on a non-Remco team.

Doing some extrapolation with the optimal team's returns to get percentages for an average 15000-scoring team, I calculated that Valverde barely had to make a profit to keep up with the non-Valverde teams if everything else went 'as expected'. Same goes for Remco if one is to use that calculation again.

The kicker is of course where the best picks are in a given year, who you are sacrificing to accommodate the expensive guy, and whether the extra cheap picks that you need are of the required quality.
 
If you wonder about the sorting, it´s popularity multiplied with 2025 points, which is a good indicator in my eyes, which riders are the most important participating riders for this game.
I have some recollection of a theory being espoused that the relevant metric maximised riders who are selected by half the entrants. A rider who is chosen once will only make a difference to one team: a rider on nearly every team has his relevance to the game effectively obliterated: he might change the size of the scores, but not much difference to the rankings. We shouldn't multiply by price such that free picks are irrelevant, no matter how often they were picked, so something needs to be added to get a non-zero rating: lets make that 100. (I tried it as 1, but that made cheap, very high frequency picks like Williams and Agostinacchio too far down the rankings: in the end, I thought if the minimum expectation of a rider is to return a 200 point profit, I'd post half of that)

So if we take (45-|frequency-45|) x (price+100), and then index that so that the top score is 100 and the free picks that are on only one team have 1, the importance metric is:

pickspriceimportance index
WITHEN PHILIPSEN Albert
44​
459​
100.0​
EVENEPOEL Remco
12​
1929​
99.0​
NYS Thibau
46​
423​
93.6​
O'CONNOR Ben
28​
563​
75.6​
MAS NICOLAU Enric
27​
560​
72.6​
TARLING Joshua
36​
328​
62.9​
GAUDU David
37​
315​
62.7​
VAN GILS Maxim
58​
362​
60.3​
PITHIE Laurence
46​
228​
58.9​
BRENNAN Matthew
11​
1115​
54.6​
SEIXAS Paul
73​
661​
52.9​
BLACKMORE Joseph
31​
277​
47.8​
LAPORTE Christophe
59​
273​
47.3​
MOHORIC Matej
28​
290​
44.7​
TIBERI Antonio
16​
555​
43.0​
DEL GROSSO Tibor
15​
598​
42.9​
POGACAR Tadej
2​
5080​
42.5​
PHILIPSEN Jasper
7​
1269​
39.3​
COSNEFROY Benoit
64​
268​
39.3​
POOLE Max
60​
215​
38.8​
VAN EETVELT Lennert
68​
302​
36.3​
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe
40​
121​
36.3​
DECOMBLE Maxime
35​
152​
36.2​
VLASOV Aleksandr
28​
209​
35.6​
NORDHAGEN Jørgen
22​
293​
35.5​
OMRZEL Jakob
19​
345​
34.8​
LAMPERTI Luke
25​
235​
34.4​
LANDA MEANA Mikel
15​
433​
32.9​
TORRES ARIAS Pablo
34​
130​
32.2​
PELLIZZARI Giulio
10​
680​
32.1​
THIJSSEN Gerben
26​
192​
31.3​
HAGENES Per Strand
36​
106​
30.6​
BISIAUX Léo
21​
246​
30.0​
WIDAR Jarno
69​
245​
29.9​
SÖDERQVIST Jakob
17​
323​
29.7​
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
71​
262​
28.4​
PERICAS CAPDEVILA Adria
25​
162​
27.1​
HOBBS Noah
34​
90​
26.7​
ZINGLE Axel
65​
155​
26.4​
FINN Lorenzo
20​
211​
25.7​
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
4​
1422​
25.2​
VERMAERKE Kevin
18​
219​
23.8​
KRON Andreas Lorentz
38​
50​
23.6​
REMIJN Senna
37​
52​
23.3​
VALTER Attila
23​
137​
22.6​
HIRSCHI Marc
6​
800​
22.4​
ROGLIC Primoz
5​
956​
21.9​
DE KLEIJN Arvid
22​
134​
21.4​
UIJTDEBROEKS Cian
7​
614​
20.8​
JAKOBSEN Fabio
44​
11​
20.3​
GIRMAY HAILU Biniam
5​
843​
19.7​
VANSEVENANT Mauri
22​
113​
19.5​
SANCHEZ MAYO Pelayo
46​
5​
19.3​
ZANA Filippo
13​
237​
18.3​
VACEK Mathias
7​
517​
18.1​
VAN WILDER Ilan
6​
619​
18.0​
WILLIAMS Stephen
51​
10​
17.9​
KÜNG Stefan
8​
433​
17.8​
DINHAM Matthew
33​
25​
17.3​
RICCITELLO Matthew
6​
576​
17.0​
BEHRENS Niklas
33​
16​
16.1​
DUNBAR Edward
14​
167​
15.7​
MORGADO Antonio Tomas
5​
635​
15.4​
GEE-WEST Derek
4​
783​
14.9​
LIPOWITZ Florian
3​
1065​
14.7​
EULALIO Afonso
9​
242​
13.0​
BERCKMOES Jenno
6​
408​
12.9​
AGOSTINACCHIO Mattia
30​
0​
12.7​
NOVAK Pavel
15​
97​
12.5​
GLOAG Thomas
9​
222​
12.3​
AUGUST Andrew
11​
162​
12.2​
RYAN Archie
9​
215​
12.1​
GAUTHERAT Pierre
9​
213​
12.0​
TEUTENBERG Tim Torn
7​
298​
11.9​
KRIJNSEN Jelte
19​
45​
11.7​
BRENNER Marco
9​
191​
11.2​
POLITT Nils
11​
137​
11.1​
KOOIJ Olav
2​
1182​
11.0​
MILAN Jonathan
2​
1179​
10.9​
PICKERING Finlay
12​
112​
10.9​
MADOUAS Valentin
5​
407​
10.8​
TUCKWELL Luke
17​
46​
10.6​
VAN AERT Wout
2​
1130​
10.5​
STEINHAUSER Georg
13​
86​
10.4​
PEDERSEN Mads
1​
2232​
10.0​
MARTINEZ Lenny
2​
1066​
10.0​

404 riders in the game are of less than 10 importance rankings, and 222 of them are below 2 (remember, 1 is the minimum possible)


Make of that what you will.
 

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