Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[MountainGoatW]

No I didn't, have to do so then, that's quite interesting. As I said, I have no idea how credible the James Bond claim is, sadly the Podcast I was reacting to doesn't give sources.
I guess it's also important that the stuff isn't detectable, or hard to, not just about how the motor works in principle. Was that the case with the GCN students?

View: https://youtu.be/ZdDHtLP3oEs?is=huFI5gZQQypHkXAE


Not sure how detectable it is, but with lots of money and influence it could pass and I think they can make a lot better versions of this with professionals and the said proper funding.

Im still also wondering why pog spinned the wheel a few times in PR while changing to the neutral bike. Is there any logical explanation or could it ne connected to cheating? Don't remember anyone else doing that while changing bikes.

 

[peterfin]

A small motor of say 60 watts has a huge impact but mainly on steep climbs when climbing dominates the equation and not aerodynamics (speed). This is because the power needed is proportional to the vertical climb speed while being the third power of the horizontal speed. In practice this means that a rider who does a 400 watt effort will have a 4.5% horizontal speed increase and a 15% vertical speed increase vs an other rider doing 400 watt. As aero is more complicated (the other might have a lower Cx, drafting, head winds etc) it is much less effective to get a boost on the flat. In an acceleration of 1200 watt the effectiveness even decreases to a 1.5% speed differential.

So basically adding 60 watts during a steep climb, or about 1 watt/kg, is the reliable method to create a huge gap in a short time. A rider who has that 'skill' would try to gap the others on steep (and preferably long sections). For such a rider, considering he is already one of the best, it would be easier to win RVV (steep) than MSR (retavily long but not steep). LBL and Lombardy would suit him best and are basically a no brainer as he will win without crashing or technical issues. The effort of winning the Fleche would feel like driving to the bakery. In races such as the TdF he would gain minutes on the climbs. PR would be a lottery as he cannot use his motor as effectively. Mountain TTs would be reliable wins while flat TTs depend on aerodynamics and would be more difficult to win. It's also an other bike. The risk-benefit ratio may not be good enough to use a motor in those conditions.

 

[Glorious]

I have been following cycling for 30 years and I have never seen a cyclist react so differently from the rest of the peloton. The fact that he turns his wheel is also a clear sign of that.

Gianetti, Saronni, Matxin...it's Poison.
What irritates me even more are the theatrical performances of UAE, and especially Pogacar's rehearsed tricks to be liked, such as: "What are you going to do tomorrow on the Giro's rest day?... Drink a cappuccino with a pizza..." It made me sick! Or riding through France with a baguette; I hate him! Maybe I'm the only one, forgive me, guys.

 

[MountainGoatW]

I have been following cycling for 30 years and I have never seen a cyclist react so differently from the rest of the peloton. The fact that he turns his wheel is also a clear sign of that.

Gianetti, Saronni, Matxin...it's Poisen.
What irritates me even more are the theatrical performances of UAE, and especially Pogacar's rehearsed tricks to be liked, such as: "What are you going to do tomorrow on the Giro's rest day?... Drink a cappuccino with a pizza..." It made me sick! Or riding through France with a baguette; I hate him! Maybe I'm the only one, forgive me, guys.

You are certainly not the only one. I am more a fan of cycling than any specific rider, off course I like some riders more than others, but not in a fanboy level, which you can see is the case with many of these blind Pog "goat" believers. I have been sick of the whole Pog, UAE, Gianetti thing since that PDBF TT. It smelled rotten from the very beginning, but was still bearable before that 23/24 winter and hey he learned how to train at 25y bs gaining 10-15% more power in a few months. After that it has been totally unbearable and the level of cheating(allowed) is something I have ever witnessed in any sports.