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dimspace said:you where saying..
They now have 14 wins. Congratulations. Still below Bouygues and a long way from making the top 15 list
issoisso said:They now have 14 wins. Congratulations. Still below Bouygues and a long way from making the top 15 list
ahead of astana? or not yet
(9 second places ferrar has.. he was due one)
Belokki: The road sections answer to BPC.
A troll with extraordinary few skills or knowledge.
Was an Astana/Hog/Contador fanboy, last year, but on the return of his king, went into uber-worship mode....
Hence, the Astana 2007-8 "roll of honour" posted as his "evidence".
Now his king has created a new kingdom, back in the US, he assumes (wants) the land of Astana will become a cycling backwater.
A true fan.
A troll with extraordinary few skills or knowledge.
Was an Astana/Hog/Contador fanboy, last year, but on the return of his king, went into uber-worship mode....
Hence, the Astana 2007-8 "roll of honour" posted as his "evidence".
Now his king has created a new kingdom, back in the US, he assumes (wants) the land of Astana will become a cycling backwater.
A true fan.
astana
Here in America Astana is one dominant team. Because in America most Americans know only LeMond,Contador,Levi,Flandis and Lance.
We only know 2 races LeTour and Tour de Californica.
Unfortunate for the US but most cyclists I know don't follow Continental racing.
Oh yeah, I forgot Colombia and their silver bullet Cavendish.
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Here in America Astana is one dominant team. Because in America most Americans know only LeMond,Contador,Levi,Flandis and Lance.
We only know 2 races LeTour and Tour de Californica.
Unfortunate for the US but most cyclists I know don't follow Continental racing.
Oh yeah, I forgot Colombia and their silver bullet Cavendish.
o
Team of forgiveness
Kashetkin, Rassmusson Simoni teaming to Astana. Is it possible for DiLuca and Iban Mayo also to join?
Kashetkin, Rassmusson Simoni teaming to Astana. Is it possible for DiLuca and Iban Mayo also to join?
franciep10 said:Agreed, the only dominant force astana has is contador, unless you count LA at leadville
Jeez...dude was on the podium in France for chrissakes.
Melo Velo: annoying smart@ss, with a knowledge of everything about nothing...
You're boring and pathetic!
You're boring and pathetic!
noonan said:
He was on the podium, but his performance was hardly dominating... especially with respect to Andy and Contador. In fact, if he wasn't towed around by Kloden, he wouldn't have been on the podium at all.
Maybe Astana isn't dominating every race, but what are the races that matters the most? : The three Grand Tours, The fact is Astana has won 3 GC's since 08, so obviously their one of the most succesful teams.
Yes, Colombia has an enourmous amount of victories, but there is a difference between a Cav stage win in Missouri, and Contador winning the tour.
Also that list of victories doesn't show a right picture, teams like boygues telecom get most of their wins in smaller french races. Astana participates almost only in the biggest races, and get's most of their wins there.
Yes, Colombia has an enourmous amount of victories, but there is a difference between a Cav stage win in Missouri, and Contador winning the tour.
Also that list of victories doesn't show a right picture, teams like boygues telecom get most of their wins in smaller french races. Astana participates almost only in the biggest races, and get's most of their wins there.
Goldberger said:
Depends on each team and especially on each culture. To you the danish it's the GTs. In a heck of a lot of countries it's not. You can't look at it that way.
issoisso said:
Grand tours are the most important and Astana specializes in stage races... When I said dominance I was reffering to these...
noonan said:
Hes also no longer at astana, and 1 podium was hardly the thing that turned astana into a dominant force.. Vino has been better for them in this veulta..
Goldberger said:
No! Contador has won three grand tours since 2008, would he have won those three tours if not on astana, almost certainly yes, in fact if hed been on saxo, or any other team that figure may well be higher..
Contador most dominant grand tour rider YES
Astana most dominant team NO
as for cav v contador winning the tour, when the 2009 tour is looked back on yes peoople will remember contador winning, but you can be damn sure they will also remember cavs 6 stage wins.. very convenient that you compared a grand tour victory with a stage win in Missouri.. Cav has much better results you could have used for comparison.. a certain classic for one.. why not compare 6 tour de france stages with contador, or multiple giro stages, or classsics..
How many classics have astana won in 2009...in fact how many classics has your precious contador actually won.. i smell a fanboy
on a side note.. wasnt Goldberg that steroid filled, drugged up american wrestler who dominated the sport for three years on handpicked opponents and scripted results..
i assume thats where your name comes from..issoisso said:
Belokki said:
Do you work as Cyclingnews's proof reader?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ekimov-to-direct-armstrongs-radioshack-in-2010
(3rd paragraph, final sentence, your dream comes true!)
It would help if you read issoisso's quote properly, before you used it to try and ram home another pointless point.
Maybe the odd spot of spell checking, too?
Mellow Velo said:Do you work as Cyclingnews's proof reader?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ekimov-to-direct-armstrongs-radioshack-in-2010
(3rd paragraph, final sentence, your dream comes true!)
It would help if you read issoisso's quote properly, before you used it to try and ram home another pointless point.
Maybe the odd spot of spell checking, too?
Didn't see that, thats some typo
... it won't happen, 7 is the magic number for Lance...Belokki said:
oh, when you said astana specialise in stage races, i completely misunderstood and though you said single stage races, ie one dayers..
i need to go bac kto sleep..
Has Contador even raced any of the Classics? Or any one day races?? It seems to me that AC only rides in stage races.
Trying to compare a GC ricer to a sprinter is stupid. Everyone and their mother knows that the sprinter will win more races.
Trying to compare a GC ricer to a sprinter is stupid. Everyone and their mother knows that the sprinter will win more races.
noonan said:
Are you really calling that performance dominant, Contador was dominant not armstrong.
Belokki said:
They might be most important to you because you watch cycling 3 weeks out of the year, but to me the classics are just as important as the grand tours.
Astana's hardly dominant, if you're Belgian a win in Flanders is probably better than the TdF.
And while Lance may have broken up Astana this year, it's not clear to me that Contador would want to stay on a team run by Vino.
And while Lance may have broken up Astana this year, it's not clear to me that Contador would want to stay on a team run by Vino.
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