The Article: WSJ - reopened!

[Anonymous]

i wonder if there will be any pictures in this article..

Will the long rumoured refrigerated panniers make an appearance.

 

[Bicicleta]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704911704575326753200584006.html?KEYWORDS=floyd+landis

Almost afraid to read it...

 

[buckwheat]

I too think it is nice that he who started the thread is allowed back. Pretty damn amazing that nothing happened in a week.

Just happened.

 

[goober]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704911704575326753200584006.html?KEYWORDS=floyd+landis

Almost afraid to read it...

They took out a pretty big section from what I had read. Mr Barry gets a free ride? Hmmmm. All the Hincapie stuff is still in there (and of course the Lance).

 

[Cobblestones]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704911704575326753200584006.html?KEYWORDS=floyd+landis

Almost afraid to read it...

Oboy, it has hookers and blow.

But seriously, Ullrich, Basso etc were excluded for less. I can't see how ASO cannot disinvite Armstrong, Hincapie etc. at this point.

 

[eleven]

Oboy, it has hookers and blow.

But seriously, Ullrich, Basso etc were excluded for less. I can't see how ASO cannot disinvite Armstrong, Hincapie etc. at this point.

Disinvite them based on...what, exactly? The accusations of Floyd Landis as told by the WSJ?

Ullrich and Basso were both excluded b/c they had bloodbags with their names on them. A far cry from accusations of Floyd Landis.

Is Floyd telling the truth? Maybe so. But ya can't disinvite folks because Floyd Landis (who has a wee problem with credibility) says you did something in 2004.

 

[Big GMaC]

They took out a pretty big section from what I had read. Mr Barry gets a free ride? Hmmmm. All the Hincapie stuff is still in there (and of course the Lance).

And nothing on DZ either

 

[stephens]

Not much investigative journalism in there! All they did was report what Landis says. And even if every word of that is true, it will never be enough to sanction anyone involved without corroborating evidence, preferably of a physical nature (or at least a money trail).

 

[eleven]

Not much investigative journalism in there! All they did was report what Landis says. And even if every word of that is true, it will never be enough to sanction anyone involved without corroborating evidence, preferably of a physical nature (or at least a money trail).

after such a buildup on this site, I was certainly expecting a bit more than a rehash of Landis's claims.

 

[Anonymous]

Two words.. Holy F*** I would guess there is more in the newspaper..

THe hookers and blow are all there..

Most interesting fact for me was

Three other former U.S. Postal riders told the Journal in interviews that there was doping on the team during the time Mr. Armstrong was its lead rider, and one of them admitted that he himself had doped.

Assumedly that includes the two that are currently riding the tour.

Messrs. Armstrong, Hincapie and Rubiera didn't respond to requests for comment about Mr. Landis's allegations of doping.

So Hincapie is not one of the three.

That almost certainly means, DZ, possibly Barry, and A.N.Other (assumedly not riding the tour - ex pro?) - question is, which one has admitted doping?

Robert Burns, general counsel for Trek, said the company was aware that bikes meant for U.S. Postal riders were being sold, but said it didn't know what the money was used for. "Occasionally, you'd see a bike on the Internet somewhere where it would surprise us," said Mr. Burns, who recalled an instance where one of the team bikes was sold in a bike shop in Belgium. There wasn't much Trek could do to stop such sales. "Once that stuff goes to the director sportif and the mechanic of the team, it's in their possession," Mr. Burns said. He declined to comment about whether Trek had been contacted by investigators.

Guess we know where some of the doping money came from.. 60 bikes a year would go a long way to covering it

 

[buckwheat]

Kind of ironic the part about the 60 stolen bikes. I like how Trek, the fanboys, and Coolhand were so outraged by LeMond supposedly selling bikes.

 

[Epicycle]

after such a buildup on this site, I was certainly expecting a bit more than a rehash of Landis's claims.

Me too. There are so many details that could have been followed up. Not worth such a long thread. At least we got this great quote from Tim Henman... "Mr. Armstrong had no contact with strippers or cocaine."

 

[MacRoadie]

Hey, I thought Greg was the only dirtbag who sold free bikes to make a few bucks.

Now Trek's general counsel admits that Postal bikes were sold, but he doesn't know what the money went towards?

Greg's probably bitter about that too though...

Robert Burns, Trek's general counsel, said in an interview that the company was aware that bikes meant for U.S. Postal riders were being sold, but said it didn't know what the money was used for. "Occasionally, you'd see a bike on the Internet somewhere where it would surprise us," he said. "We didn't want to see that stuff getting sold on the market. It should be going to a better use than that."

 

[Big GMaC]

I don't think we will see DZ doing any more chummy chats with Armstrong and Levi at the back of the bus.

 

[Anonymous]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704911704575326753200584006.html?KEYWORDS=floyd+landis

Almost afraid to read it...

Weak sauce. We get one paragraph saying that 3 people said there was doping, and one admitted doing it themselves. Everyone else said they didn't see a thing. Then there was a recitation of stuff we already knew combined with a little more detail. I don't see this keeping Lance from the Tour. Today has been one big bag of nothing really. Nothing to Lemond's pronouncement, and nothing in the WSJ article.

Guess we will have to wait to see if Novitsky can connect more dots...if this is all they get, Mr Armstrong can sleep easy. I mean, they didn't even connect Lance directly to the blow or hookers in terms of partaking. Weak, weak sauce.

 

[this_is_edie]

should a new thread be opened now that the WSJ article is truly here?

 

[bobs nob]

lance must be delighted

 

[Anonymous]

should a new thread be opened now that the WSJ article is truly here?

Yea, when a REAL article arrives. As it stands, this thread should be closed based on what is in that article as there is little to nothing new, only more of what Landis said. I believe what he said, but no corroboration from named sources or even those "who prefer to remain nameless" is there.

Lock the thread, this horse is well past glue.

 

[Anonymous]

Weak sauce. We get one paragraph saying that 3 people said there was doping, and one admitted doing it themselves. Everyone else said they didn't see a thing. Then there was a recitation of stuff we already knew combined with a little more detail. I don't see this keeping Lance from the Tour. Today has been one big bag of nothing really. Nothing to Lemond's pronouncement, and nothing in the WSJ article.

Guess we will have to wait to see if Novitsky can connect more dots...if this is all they get, Mr Armstrong can sleep easy. I mean, they didn't even connect Lance directly to the blow or hookers in terms of partaking. Weak, weak sauce.

see I disagree. we now know 3 riders have talked to the feds (or at least the wsj) one of them has confessed to doping and assumedly incriminated lance, two of those are riding the tour (including the doper?)

and we also now have a good idea were the funding came from to buy a lot of it, the mysterious trek bikes that trek dont know where they went.

we also have direct allegegation now that kristin was present in a room when patches were handed over.

there is lots there, you just have to weed it out, read between lines and add things up - if the wsj know this much, you can be sure the feds know a lot more, and its nice to know the feds have got as far as investingating trek about missing bikes etc and bike sales.

 

[eleven]

lance must be delighted

Seriously. He should hold a press conference to admit that he did, once, go to Sugars and he did, contrary to his attorney's claims, touch a stripper.

Then apologize for the misinformation.

 

[Anonymous]

lance must be delighted

If I were him or one of his fanboys, I would be here right now doing this:

 

[Race Radio]

Someone should give Scott Daubert a call and ask him about how Julien would not even let him in the service course. A key part of his job was trying to get a handle on the inventory issues and how he was blocked at every turn.

He has told more then a few people about this issue, me included, and all the riders knew about it. Most just thought it was Julien pocketing all the cash. It was also more then just bikes..... wheels, training tires, cassettes, chains. I have had team riders tell me they would buy their own gear as it was too much of a hassle trying to get it from the mechanics.

As for "Duffy" the "chef" this is the Hogs right hand man. Semi ***, chain smoking, made member of the Belgium Mafia. Before he became a "Chef" for the team he ran "Logistics" at the Service Course in Brakel.

 

[MacRoadie]

Weak sauce. We get one paragraph saying that 3 people said there was doping, and one admitted doing it themselves. Everyone else said they didn't see a thing. Then there was a recitation of stuff we already knew combined with a little more detail. I don't see this keeping Lance from the Tour. Today has been one big bag of nothing really. Nothing to Lemond's pronouncement, and nothing in the WSJ article.

Guess we will have to wait to see if Novitsky can connect more dots...if this is all they get, Mr Armstrong can sleep easy. I mean, they didn't even connect Lance directly to the blow or hookers in terms of partaking. Weak, weak sauce.

I don't see it that way. Compared to what is known and discussed here, it's weak sauce. Compared to what has been presented in the main stream media, it's much more significant.

We certainly knew this stuff before, but it was pulled from one leaked and poorly written email. Now, while it's the same story (SSDD in Lance-ese), we have one of the premier print media institutions in the US basically presenting it as legitimate news.

If you were waiting for a line-by-line excerpt from Novitsky's notebook, you set your expectations too high. If the fanboys think this is all there is, they should get their laughs in now.

 

[Anonymous]

see I disagree. we now know 3 riders have talked to the feds (or at least the wsj) one of them has confessed to doping and assumedly incriminated lance, two of those are riding the tour (including the doper?)

and we also now have a good idea were the funding came from to buy a lot of it, the mysterious trek bikes that trek dont know where they went.

we also have direct allegegation now that kristin was present in a room when patches were handed over.

I am not commenting on the Federal investigation. I am solely talking about that "article" which is little more than a cut and paste of Landis quotes.

 

[this_is_edie]

Yea, when a REAL article arrives. As it stands, this thread should be closed based on what is in that article as there is little to nothing new, only more of what Landis said. I believe what he said, but no corroboration from named sources or even those "who prefer to remain nameless" is there.

Lock the thread, this horse is well past glue.

I wonder if we'll get one article a day, sort of a buildup thing. There should be more coming since they did talk and get corroborating statements from 3 other riders.