Bicicleta said:
yeh, sorry, i tend to just lump in postal, disco in one clump.. we need a word for it.. posco?
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yeh, sorry, i tend to just lump in postal, disco in one clump.. we need a word for it.. posco?
Wasn't Pat McCarty one of the guys who was going to be on Floyd's team for AToC when they were denied entry to the race?
Also, didn't Tony Cruz, Michael Creed, and Tyler Hamilton all ride on some form of the LA/JB teams AND Rock Racing? I was trying to remember everybody who had that connection when the news came out about Michael Ball's house being searched in connection with this investigation.
There are a lot of guys who could've talked, in addition to the two who are at the TdF this year.
Also, didn't Tony Cruz, Michael Creed, and Tyler Hamilton all ride on some form of the LA/JB teams AND Rock Racing? I was trying to remember everybody who had that connection when the news came out about Michael Ball's house being searched in connection with this investigation.
There are a lot of guys who could've talked, in addition to the two who are at the TdF this year.
I really doubt that Berry can add much to the discussion. He was always on the outside, not the inside.
Tyler, George, Levi and Floyd are/were part of the "In" crowd...... VDV, Z, Berry,McCarty, Cruz, would most likely just add background
Of course there are also the guys from the early days, Jemison, JV, Frankie, who were around before Armstrong got careful and still bragged about being PRO.
Tyler, George, Levi and Floyd are/were part of the "In" crowd...... VDV, Z, Berry,McCarty, Cruz, would most likely just add background
Of course there are also the guys from the early days, Jemison, JV, Frankie, who were around before Armstrong got careful and still bragged about being PRO.
Beech Mtn said:
I am throwing my guess at the DZ, GH, JV names at this point. I would also guess that riders ALL American riders on the list from USPS from 1999 to 2004 would probably have been contacted, or will be.
Those Americans who are taking the start Sunday would be DZ, CVV, LL, GH, and only CVV was not directly named in the Landis confessional.
So, at least two of DZ, LL and GH made the NYT story, and were "honest" in answering questions. To me, that means they sang like canaries, else they would not have mentioned the bit about not being names lest they be targeted for reprisals. Although, it is not hard to figure.
The next 5 days will be very, very entertaining. Oh, and also there is a big race about to kick off.
Beech Mtn said:
McCarty went from Postal, Discovery, Phonak, Slipstream, and finally to Ouch. Then he got cut loose, and is basically riding independent this year (sponsored by a local bike shop).
Never seemed like he was on the "inside" during the Postal/Disco days. He was never on the GT teams.
One thing that sticks out to me after reading the article again is where they assert that an attempt could be made to tie money provided by USPS to purchases of doping products. I think that is a bit off. To me, it does not matter where the money came from, simply that the existence and persistent intentional use of an organized, internal doping programme would constitute a breech of any and all sponsor agreements, thus constituting fraudulent representation (bad faith dealings).
Kennf1 said:
So McCarty was one of the guys on Floyd's proposed team for AToC. The organizers thought a team of Landis, McCarty, Cesar Grajales, and Nathan O'Neill wasn't strong enough to ride the race.
Same excuse the Vuelta organizers gave to Johan just recently.
Beech Mtn said:
Am I missing something there? That looks like he's saying 'this will be my final TdF'.
TeamSkyFans said:
Beech and TeamSkyFans, she may be referring to any purported salacious or post-doital dimension of the story.
If they have a "granny"(-gear) tour, Lance will definitely be there, doing them, PEDaling at high RPM, if we are to believe the earlier parts of this thread.
What are people expecting to be announced/reported here? That article seems to be just stuff we already knew.
luckyboy said:
Nobody has mentioned one of the central points of the article which is that this thing is going to drag on until 2016.
luckyboy said:
Yes and no. We didn't know (at least I didn't) that two riders implicated by Landis have met with Novitsky.
Besides, this isn't "the article" that has been rumored. That one is expected to come from the WSJ sometime this week.
oldschoolnik said:
I don't consider it a "Central" point, and David Howman, from WADA, is just offering a "maybe" in reference to the s l o w n e s s of the Balco case.
To my ears, the key players have folded. Let's watch and see how unusually quickly this could ramp up.
luckyboy said:
From my view, this is just lathering noise filling the current void. If it were a pint, it would be all head, nothing to drink.
Colm.Murphy said:
That would be a good shot and one that may spread to individual endorsement agreements, etc.
Colm.Murphy said:
True, I should not have said "central point" when I really meant, "I was disappointed to read that this could take until 2016 when I really want to know before the of the year if LA will have a tearful apology to his millions of fans on Jay Leno"
Parrot23 said:Okay, folks, let's all take a deep breath....and not pull any Tom Tom moments here....
Richard Simmons, Tom C.?
Think Kramer, aka Bob Roll, could've / would've been the conduit, or the main source spilling the beans.
yah right that oprah thing is so fake
oldschoolnik said:True, I should not have said "central point" when I really meant, "I was disappointed to read that this could take until 2016 when I really want to know before the of the year if LA will have a tearful apology to his millions of fans on Jay Leno"
No worries.
What IS interesting is this thread has ZERO posts from those stating:
Where is this "article"?
This will all blow over. It already has! See!
Nothing to see here.
Where are those blokes now?
oldschoolnik said:
I think I saw a post a month ago that discussed this...
Cal_Joe said:
Damn. now I'm quoting my own posts, just like that guy on "vacation".
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Kennf1 said:
Maybe she knows her story was the tip of the iceberg and he's not even going to start but couldn't put that in the story?
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=20kwao&s=6
Kennf1 said:
Ah I see. I thought we knew that that was going on anyway. Can't really see what the article is gonna reveal. Are the feds big on giving away details of their investigations usually?
Colm.Murphy said:
You need to find a new pub. Or at least find one that has staff that can recognize the sound of the Guinness keg just before it expires.
All pub stuff aside, have to agree that the article is a bit fluff, but some news organisations these days will go with style over substance.
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