The blurred lines of Livestrong - the spin bike sham

[D-Queued]

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If someone can explain exactly what the Global Cancer Campaign actually is I'd like to know. I'd also like to know what is they do and whats the output?

Some of this slides are diabolical. Are they serious about this? I hadn't seen so many culture stereotypes one one slide in my life!!

You could probably get those 'global' attitudes within ten miles of Lance's house.

Brazil: People suffer from Cancer.

Wow. That is a pretty broad brush to paint a country with.

Looks like Livestrong.com has licked cancer, though. They appear more interested in people that
"Suffer from Neuropathy" (yup, top ranked Livestrong suffer)
"Pitchers suffer more injuries than fielders"
"What are the Treatments For Adolescents Who Suffer from Anxiety Disorder"

Do you think it helps create a global cancer coalition by pointing fingers like that?

Maybe nobody in Brazil heard about Cancer before:

1911: The medical journal Archivos Brasileiros de Medicina publishes a “permanent section on cancrum” run by physician Álvaro Ramos. This is the first editorial section for cancer articles only.

1929: The Medical and Surgical Society of Rio de Janeiro organizes the Cancer Week, November 4-10, in association with the Brazilian National Academy of Medicine. This event attracted a huge number of physicians interested in the disease

1935: 1st Cancer Congress, Rio de Janeiro. Early propositions for organizing a national network againts cancer.

...

1988: INCA hosts the 17th World Cancer Congress, organized by the International Union Against Cancer (UICC), in Rio de Janeiro, August 23 - 28

When was Livestrong formed again? Nothing like showing up late to the party and trying to co-opt credit for what others have been doing for a century.

Good job Lance - let us know when you catch up with the rest of the world.

Dave.

 

[Hugh Januss]

We won't rest until the other 4.9X Billion people on Earth are aware.

Honestly, with a world population of over 5 Billion, don't you guys think 28 Million is a rather understated number?

Well 28 million is all that LAF is aware of.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

http://www.slideshare.net/mobile/LIVESTRONG1997/du-wl-summituicc2010-pptvfinalpptbrooke-copy#1

If someone can explain exactly what the Global Cancer Campaign actually is I'd like to know. I'd also like to know what is they do and whats the output?

Some of this slides are diabolical. Are they serious about this? I hadn't seen so many culture stereotypes one one slide in my life!!

“The dude abides man.”

My sources tell me that this awareness campaign will come to an end once all CN cancer lovers become aware of cancer. “Surely you can’t be Serious”

The beauty of the awareness scam is that there IS NO OUTPUT. They do not have to really do anything for the money. It is the ultimate rip off. Better than any Pyramid scheme.

 

[jimbob_in_co]

Looks like Livestrong.com has licked cancer, though. They appear more interested in people that
"Suffer from Neuropathy" (yup, top ranked Livestrong suffer)

For what it is worth, Neuropathy is a major side effect of many types of chemotherapy, especially in very aggressive chemotherapy. So that one is actually a legitimate topic for people researching health effects of cancer treatments. (The worst things I had from my chemo drug were feeling like I was sweating kerosene and the constant metallic taste in my mouth)

As for this Global Cancer Campaign and Initiative from the LAF, it always seemed very wasteful to me that they seemed to be 'reinventing the wheel' and 'going it alone' with a whole new program. I never understood it.

I also thought the figure of 28 million cancer survivors seemed very low in a population of now almost seven billion people (according to the latest National Geographic Magazine) on this planet.

 

[D-Queued]

For what it is worth, Neuropathy is a major side effect of many types of chemotherapy, especially in very aggressive chemotherapy. So that one is actually a legitimate topic for people researching health effects of cancer treatments. (The worst things I had from my chemo drug were feeling like I was sweating kerosene and the constant metallic taste in my mouth)

As for this Global Cancer Campaign and Initiative from the LAF, it always seemed very wasteful to me that they seemed to be 'reinventing the wheel' and 'going it alone' with a whole new program. I never understood it.

I also thought the figure of 28 million cancer survivors seemed very low in a population of now almost seven billion people (according to the latest National Geographic Magazine) on this planet.

I was just about to cite the 7B, and did not want to make light of neuropathy.

But, what do pitchers and baseball fielders have to do with anything? (page one on the Google search: Livestrong suffer).

As for the 28m 'Survivors', best I can determine is that this is the number of people diagnosed with cancer that are within the first five years. Livestrong doesn't count those who lick the disease (made it to their 5 year anniversary) as a Survivor.

Go figure.

Dave.

 

[Dominar]

This caught my eye this morning along with the first comment on the Wired website. Now excuse my maths but I think the basic principle of my argument still applies....

Sorry, you obviously have no idea about how charities work but, hey, don't let that stop you.

I have tried to explain before, in much greater detail, but here's the short recap: Charities cannot, by law, engage in for-profit activities, such as selling exercise equipment. However, a for-profit organization can do it and then donate a % of proceeds to charity. There's nothing nefarious about it. In fact, it's a very common practice.

 

[D-Queued]

Sorry, you obviously have no idea about how charities work but, hey, don't let that stop you.

I have tried to explain before, in much greater detail, but here's the short recap: Charities cannot, by law, engage in for-profit activities, such as selling exercise equipment. However, a for-profit organization can do it and then donate a % of proceeds to charity. There's nothing nefarious about it. In fact, it's a very common practice.

Well, let's hope the law catches up with this one soon then.

BTW - You obviously have no idea of how many of us have pretty well informed ideas of how charities work - or at least how they are supposed to work.

Dave.

 

[jimbob_in_co]

I was just about to cite the 7B, and did not want to make light of neuropathy.

But, what do pitchers and baseball fielders have to do with anything? (page one on the Google search: Livestrong suffer).

As for the 28m 'Survivors', best I can determine is that this is the number of people diagnosed with cancer that are within the first five years. Livestrong doesn't count those who lick the disease (made it to their 5 year anniversary) as a Survivor.

Go figure.

Dave.

I did not think you were making light of neuropathy in the least, Dave. I was was more of the opinion that this topic appearing was akin to 'even a blind pig finds a truffle once in a while'.

So they cut off at five years of survival after diagnosis and treatment? Odd, I've never met a single cancer patient who totally stopped worrying about recurrence after five years. Granted, it is a huge milestone in the time line; but that they might be using that for determining what they consider as a cancer survivor is baffling (and insulting).

 

[BotanyBay]

Sorry, you obviously have no idea about how charities work but, hey, don't let that stop you.

I have tried to explain before, in much greater detail, but here's the short recap: Charities cannot, by law, engage in for-profit activities, such as selling exercise equipment. However, a for-profit organization can do it and then donate a % of proceeds to charity. There's nothing nefarious about it. In fact, it's a very common practice.

I always enjoy a good "project":

 

[jimbob_in_co]

Sorry, you obviously have no idea about how charities work but, hey, don't let that stop you.

I don't think ANY of us truly understand how the Lance Armstrong Foundation 'charity' works; but the pieces that each of us do know, and are sharing on this forum, horrify all of us.

 

[BotanyBay]

Dominar, I hope you'll go back and do some reading on what we've been talking about. This charity is clearly abused and really amounts to little more than a method to shelter taxes, lower personal expenses, and help strengthen and build a very-much-for-profit brand. This mans finances are inextricably interwoven in the fabric of this non-profit org. And very little of it goes to an "actual" good cause. It's the scam of scams, and the fraud of frauds. Not just for the wealthy, but for everyone.

 

[Polish]

Odd, I've never met a single cancer patient who totally stopped worrying about recurrence after five years.(and insulting).

I have met a few who have stopped worrying.

Sometimes, worrying can be detrimental.

The following are signs that fears about cancer may be a problem:
Any minor aches, coughs or headaches bring a strong fear that cancer has recurred.
There is an unwillingness to rebuild and return to a full life due to fears.
Recurrent is a constant worry.
Thoughts about cancer recurring happen before you go to bed at night and the first thing in the morning.
There are long-term sleeping problems (more than a few weeks).
Little or no appetite continues for days.
There is no desire to spend time with friends.
There is no interest in continuing usual routines.
There is an inability to concentrate at school or work.

http://www.livestrong.org/Get-Help/...motional-Effects-of-Cancer/Fear-of-Recurrence

 

[jimbob_in_co]

I have met a few who have stopped worrying.

Sometimes, worrying can be detrimental.

I wish I was one of them Polish.

BTW My worrying (concern, vigilance, what have you) was what got my medical providers to look at, biopsy and diagnose my latest round of cancer.
The treatment was both efficient and effective. We caught it early.

And thanks, but I don't need to reread the info from the "org" website (I originally saw it a few years ago). I've experienced it firsthand.

 

[Velocentric]

The 2009 break down of "Program expenses" is quite telling of where the priorities are at LAF:

Education, Programs & Policy - $11,221,852 (how much does it cost to write Policy documents?!)

Advocacy & Government relations - $10,109,023 (that's an awful lot of shoulder rubbing), although to be fair advocacy might also include LAF dealing with insurance companies and medical trials on a patients behalf.

Grants - $8,833,243 (so your donation really does go more towards awareness than it does to finding a cure).

You might notice that the amounts listed above add up to the total of $30,164,118 listed in the Annual Report as "Program expenses"

Yet, on the "where the money goes" page of livestrong.org they list programs as having cost $31,164,118 - a difference of exactly $1 million.

Then, when you read the audited report for 2009 they detail "Program services" as having cost $28,833,066 - a full $2,331,052 less than they list on the public facing page.

So for 2009 they list 3 differing amounts under program expenses. Tell me Dominar, is that something a Charity is allowed to do?

 

[BotanyBay]

I have met a few who have stopped worrying.

Sometimes, worrying can be detrimental.


http://www.livestrong.org/Get-Help/...motional-Effects-of-Cancer/Fear-of-Recurrence

Lance isn't worrying either. About anything. He's just agitated that the world has so many haters. Anti-cancer killers.

"What 'ju mean 'ju won't wear the ribbon?!?"

 

[thehog]

I have met a few who have stopped worrying.

Sometimes, worrying can be detrimental.


http://www.livestrong.org/Get-Help/...motional-Effects-of-Cancer/Fear-of-Recurrence

I know you're taking the p1ss but I draw the line right here.

You have no idea. Don't go any further.

You really are a cruel person. I once thought funny but never cruel like this.

 

[Granville57]

http://www.slideshare.net/mobile/LIVESTRONG1997/du-wl-summituicc2010-pptvfinalpptbrooke-copy#1

If someone can explain exactly what the Global Cancer Campaign actually is I'd like to know. I'd also like to know what is they do and whats the output?

Some of this slides are diabolical. Are they serious about this? I hadn't seen so many culture stereotypes one one slide in my life!!

August 2009, at the close of the Summit:
92% felt more aware that they are an important part of the global fight against cancer.

What exactly is that supposed to mean? People attended the summit yet somehow were not aware that they were there for a reason?
And those other 8%, what was their take on it?

What I've always found most offensive, and insulting to my intelligence, about LANCE 2.0 and "the comeback" is this notion of spreading the word to the ignorant masses. Then why race at all in the U.S., Australia or Europe? Message already received. Loud and clear.

If LA had only appeared in countries where education was truly needed, wouldn't that have been many, many times more effective?
Geez, we missed that whole 7-in-a-row thing. Maybe a return to France would finally get the message out.

And this cute talking point:

Most of the world is still struggling to find solutions for AIDS, TB and malaria. Cancer has not been the main concern.

Huh, well maybe that’s due to the whole AIDS, TB and malaria thing?
So what's the underlying message, Our cause is more important than your cause?
Go figure.

 

[Darryl Webster]

I also thought the figure of 28 million cancer survivors seemed very low in a population of now almost seven billion people (according to the latest National Geographic Magazine) on this planet.

Here ya go Jimbob. A real time global population clock..very sobbering!

http://www.worldometers.info/population/

 

[BotanyBay]

If LA had only appeared in countries where education was truly needed, wouldn't that have been many, many times more effective?

There is no "effective". I wonder how many people in Ghana that are diagnosed with any of a number of forms of cancer have access to (or can afford) treatments such as radiation or chemotherapy? Not many. So the message of awareness would go over with a distinct "thud".

This is about jet fuel and brand building, not cancer.

 

[thehog]

There is no "effective". I wonder how many people in Ghana that are diagnosed with any of a number of forms of cancer have access to (or can afford) treatments such as radiation or chemotherapy? Not many. So the message of awareness would go over with a distinct "thud".

This is about jet fuel and brand building, not cancer.

Also to the point i don't think those in Ghana would be willing to pay the appearance fee and the money to licence an event!

 

[D-Queued]

There is no "effective". I wonder how many people in Ghana that are diagnosed with any of a number of forms of cancer have access to (or can afford) treatments such as radiation or chemotherapy? Not many. So the message of awareness would go over with a distinct "thud".

This is about jet fuel and brand building, not cancer.

The Awareness campaign is only designed for countries with high literacy rates where the citizens can read the bright yellow 'Approved' messages from the Chalkbot and learn all about Cancer:

Grab the bull by the horns
Pedal faster they're coming
Chalk up another mountain in yellow
Vive Le Tour
These hills bleed yellow
*** *** will you marry me?

Oh, and this part too:

This week Nike unveiled a cool "new" chalk-writing robot used to print messages on the road during the Tour de France bicycle race. The trouble is, the robot isn't so new after all. The Nike Chalkbot is nearly identical to the "Streetwriter" we began developing ten years ago.

From stolen ideas to marriage proposals. Lots and lots of awareness.

Dave.

 

[Darryl Webster]

Blimy peeps..I hadnt looked at this thread for a while after the first page or so and I have to agree with others here ..best thread I`ve ever read here.
The FB family pics posted of "believers" realy has had me choked.
Its very clear that for some posters the fall of Lance and cohorts is "personal" for good reason.
Keep up the research.

 

[BotanyBay]

Blimy peeps..I hadnt looked at this thread for a while after the first page or so and I have to agree with others here ..best thread I`ve ever read here.
The FB family pics posted of "believers" realy has had me choked.
Its very clear that for some posters the fall of Lance and cohorts is "personal" for good reason.
Keep up the research.

From what I hear about what is about to go down, I probably won't much care if I ever argue the point of Lance and doping ever again. Being a doper is really about being a cheater and a fraud. But a true fraud can't just stop at dope, as his or her entire persona is wrapped up in deception.

Millions of yellow wearing believer fanboys and girls are soon going to trade their yellow wristbands for pitchforks and torches:

 

[Granville57]

The Awareness campaign is only designed for countries with high literacy rates where the citizens can read the bright yellow 'Approved' messages from the Chalkbot and learn all about Cancer

This week Nike unveiled a cool "new" chalk-writing robot used to print messages on the road during the Tour de France bicycle race. The trouble is, the robot isn't so new after all. The Nike Chalkbot is nearly identical to the "Streetwriter" we began developing ten years ago.

From stolen ideas to marriage proposals. Lots and lots of awareness.

Dave.

"Livestrong is an organization that doesn't just exist on a web forum," he adds." It's people that go out and do things to make change in our world, how we feel about cancer and how we go about getting it eradicated. They're out in the world, so making an experience out in the world, instead of one in their cubicle, speaks to people more directly. This campaign invites people from all over, people who can't normally participate in the Tour de France because it's too far away or because they can't afford to travel, to play a part in cancer awareness."

My head is going to explode.
How should one feel about cancer? Is there really any disagreement there?
And again, what single person watching the Tour (who could, at best, only stand a minuscule chance of actually seeing a chalk message anyway) was somehow unaware in the first place?

 

[BotanyBay]

My head is going to explode.
How should one feel about cancer? Is there really any disagreement there?
And again, what single person watching the Tour (who could, at best, only stand a minuscule chance of actually seeing a chalk message anyway) was somehow unaware in the first place?

Well, people are soon going to be "Aware" that "Awareness" is not a very strong mission for an organization with as much wide appeal as the LAF.

Consider America to be on the cusp of true awareness.