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Caruut

Caruut

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JPM London said:
I don't agree one bit.

The clean riders who got stuck with half a career and no money - they got the raw deal.
The fans - who still 15 years after Festina and more than 20 years after EPO entered the scene have no reason to trust anything about the sport - they got the raw deal.

Cheats who got caught didn't get a raw deal simply because someone else didn't get caught. Cycling as a sport didn't get the raw deal just because no other sport has been dragged through the mud (yet). Dopers and cycling got their just deserts - problem is that there are still plenty of people who haven't been served yet... And the clean athletes and the fans got a raw deal because it hasn't happened yet...

That Rasmussen has admitted his doping while clearly still lying through his teeth about it shows how little of a raw deal he got. Ex-colleagues have gone on record to describe he was no doubt doping prior to 98. What does he do? He claims they're lying. Sorry mate, game's up. If anyone has less credibility than LA it'd be MR... Hands down...
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They certainly still got a raw deal compared to others, and given that "raw deal" is an entirely subjective concept, it's not out of this world that they might be considered to have gotten a raw deal. Compare the way Rasmussen has been handled to the way someone like Scarponi is and it's hard for me not to feel a bit sorry for the poor Chicken.
 
JPM London

JPM London

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Caruut said:
They certainly still got a raw deal compared to others, and given that "raw deal" is an entirely subjective concept, it's not out of this world that they might be considered to have gotten a raw deal. Compare the way Rasmussen has been handled to the way someone like Scarponi is and it's hard for me not to feel a bit sorry for the poor Chicken.
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And that goes to show that omerta and keeping doping alive is not just down to the peloton and everybody else behind the scenes. When fans feel sorry for cheats being caught that's the fans perpetuating the vicious circle...

Raw deal in itself is not subjective. You choose to make it subjective.

You can obviously define raw deal any way you want and relate it to any situation you choose and as you see fit, but the thing is objectively speaking he's not got anything he didn't deserve. He actually never got suspended for doping, merely for his whereabouts. That he was unable to get a ride following his suspension speaks more about him than about the teams who wouldn't hire him.
 
Race Radio

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Benotti69

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Race Radio said:
Hopefully not. This is just the committee's recommendation. Anti-Doping Denmark do not have to follow it.

Still a lot more legs to this story, Riis is in serious trouble
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Good and I hope he takes others down with him.
 
42x16ss

42x16ss

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JPM London said:
And that goes to show that omerta and keeping doping alive is not just down to the peloton and everybody else behind the scenes. When fans feel sorry for cheats being caught that's the fans perpetuating the vicious circle...

Raw deal in itself is not subjective. You choose to make it subjective.

You can obviously define raw deal any way you want and relate it to any situation you choose and as you see fit, but the thing is objectively speaking he's not got anything he didn't deserve. He actually never got suspended for doping, merely for his whereabouts. That he was unable to get a ride following his suspension speaks more about him than about the teams who wouldn't hire him.
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So you believe Rasmussen has been treated totally fairly even compared to the known Ferrari clients still in the peleton today who have received minimal bans, or even none at all??
 
42x16ss

42x16ss

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Ferminal said:
How are the Ferrari clients supposed to be punished?
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How would you like riders who are known to have worked with the sports most notorious doping doctor to be punished? You think that Pozzato, for example, got a punishment that was fair in comparison to Rasmussen's?

Edit: For the record, I think that Rasmussen got what he deserved, however there are too many riders that get away with a tap on the wrist without even attempting to confess. At least most of the former USPS crew did that.
 
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Ferminal

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Rasmussen's punishment was fair if we're not talking about being "blacklisted" and the fact that everyone else in the 2007 Tour top10 were chargers.

Pozzato and other riders who get punished by their own federation for a domestic breach [are treated unfairly] unless other federations act accordingly.

Ultimately both are victims of a system which fails in detection.
 
Benotti69

Benotti69

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Ferminal said:
Rasmussen's punishment was fair if we're not talking about being "blacklisted" and the fact that everyone else in the 2007 Tour top10 were chargers.

Pozzato and other riders who get punished by their own federation for a domestic breach [are treated unfairly] unless other federations act accordingly.

Ultimately both are victims of a system which fails in detection.
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Pish!

Piti was treated unfairly.

Dont want to do the time dont do the crime. Dopers cant complain when caught.

The whole system is a joke. The riders know this and use it to their full advantage.
 
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Ferminal said:
Rasmussen's punishment was fair if we're not talking about being "blacklisted" and the fact that everyone else in the 2007 Tour top10 were chargers.

Pozzato and other riders who get punished by their own federation for a domestic breach [are treated unfairly] unless other federations act accordingly.

Ultimately both are victims of a system which fails in detection.
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I don't know how you can say they are victims of a system that fails in detection.

That is like some theives are victims because the police catch them and not other thieves.
 
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EnacheV

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Benotti69 said:
4 year bans would be nice.
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Poor Nibali

each should be punished according to his own wrong doings, and most of them not punished at all, even if linked.
 
DirtyWorks

DirtyWorks

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