The Chris Squared Thread

[thehog]

I think we are in strong agreement.

That Digger guy on twitter has asked Fran for Froome's Vo2 max.

She didn't realise Brailsbruybeelfraud had said at the Tour that they would release it...

Let's see.

 

[Benotti69]

That Digger guy on twitter has asked Fran for Froome's Vo2 max.

She didn't realise Brailsbruybeelfraud had said at the Tour that they would release it...

Let's see.

They wont release any details of Froome as it would invite more questions and they already look like they are hiding information that points to all maginal gains being pharmacuetical at Sky and not a diet of sugar free pane y agua.

 

[hiero2]

Hiero2, good post. Since this is the chris squared thread: do you think there is more smoke surrounding horner than there is surrounding froome?

My opinion? Absolutely yes, more around Horner than Froome. While I am more suspicious of Froome than Wiggins, both have very plausible reasons for "suddenly appearing out of nowhere" - as in they didn't really. Horner, on the other hand, has been around. And has had a lot of association with the big doper, you know who. His AToC win was in association with known dopers. His team has hired several known dopers. With Horner - while there isn't the smoke of an Emma etc - he still WAS on the team. And he does have the smoke around the passport values. Is it possible he is clean? Sure. But that, to my thinking, would mean that Nibali has been an active doper and stayed clean for the Vuelta. Or missed his chem peak somehow. And I think Nibali is another rider who might actually be trying to stay clean - honestly clean. Also, Horner was there - in the "era".

Horner has always been a lesser level rider - a lieutenant or a water carrier - not quite the top level. Now in the twilight years of his pro cycling he is at the top? Suspicious. Wiggins, on the other hand, was at the very top on the track. He WAS the "pointy end" on the track. So he decided to switch over late. Ok - see that is plausible. And Froome, as Wiggo's looey, was pulling him up the mountains - and remember that ridiculous shouting sideshow performance? So, if Froome is doping - he has been all along - and again - imo - this reduces the likelihood. His risk is just too high - unless you think that Brailsford is an outright liar, like Bruyneel, and I don't believe that.

So, yeah, I find Horner the harder to believe of the two.

 

[proffate]

So, if Froome is doping - he has been all along

If by "all along" you mean for a little under 2 years.

 

[argyllflyer]

What the Froome bashers seem to ignore is just how much if this sport is raced in your head and that was something he lacked in his first few years Pro. He was losing races mentally. Bobby Dulich worked on his tactical approach and even now he is seen as tactically naive which comes from having zero experience of the Euro peloton in the Juniors/U23 stages. Most guys his age have perhaps a decade of development on him.

 

[thehog]

What the Froome bashers seem to ignore is just how much if this sport is raced in your head and that was something he lacked in his first few years Pro. He was losing races mentally. Bobby Dulich worked on his tactical approach and even now he is seen as tactically naive which comes from having zero experience of the Euro peloton in the Juniors/U23 stages. Most guys his age have perhaps a decade of development on him.

Bobby Dulich is amazing.

He can make anyone win.

Who's Bobby Dulich?

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

What the Froome bashers seem to ignore is just how much if this sport is raced in your head and that was something he lacked in his first few years Pro. He was losing races mentally. Bobby Dulich worked on his tactical approach and even now he is seen as tactically naive which comes from having zero experience of the Euro peloton in the Juniors/U23 stages. Most guys his age have perhaps a decade of development on him.

Bobby Dulich is amazing.

He can make anyone win.

Who's Bobby Dulich?

He's the guy who taught Uri Geller how to pedal a bicycle by telekinesis.


You know, ...mentally.

 

[IndianCyclist]

What the Froome bashers seem to ignore is just how much if this sport is raced in your head and that was something he lacked in his first few years Pro. He was losing races mentally. Bobby Dulich worked on his tactical approach and even now he is seen as tactically naive which comes from having zero experience of the Euro peloton in the Juniors/U23 stages. Most guys his age have perhaps a decade of development on him.

I donot think the mental portion counts for much if you donot have the legs. He was not losing races as he was mid pack. Tactics only come into picture if ur top 5-10 & front group. The transformation from mid pack to podium in a single race 2011 Vuelta is what everybody has a problem with of which one explanation is the bilharzia virus which again they say was discovered in 2010. If other guys having a decade of development haven't done that then how did he?

 

[simo1733]

Bobby Dulich is amazing.

He can make anyone win.

Who's Bobby Dulich?

Froome has improved again since Doolick was asked to leave.Maybe they still keep in touch.Discreetly.

 

[Ferminal]

Bobby Dulich is amazing.

He can make anyone win.

Who's Bobby Dulich?

Bobby Dulich is some guy who doped riding for Uncle Barney a few years back.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

As I see it, though, the highlighted bits are the real bone of contention. Some people think that there is smoke in the air, as their was around Lance. From where I sit, there is nowhere near as much smoke now as then - but there could be smoke. And where there is smoke . . .

What smoke was there in 1999? The cortico stuff? Or the transformation?

But, on the other hand, I think it is almost also certain that some of these "out of the gruppetto" performances are enabled because, or COULD be enabled because things are cleanER. We have less smoke, more mist, and possibilities in a lot of different directions.

Are the climbing speeds down in comparison to lets say 2008? If the grupetto riders of then are matching those performances why couldnt they do it in 2008? Were those clean grupetto riders emberassed that they could match those dopers clean?

You know, I think it is pretty well recognized that the year AFTER the Festina affair was cleanER, but that two years later everybody was back at it. I'm wondering if (and tending towards the opinion that) we have seen a similar "clean" year in 2012 as a result of mounting negative publicity. Then a similar bounce-back in 2013 as some riders felt the risk was lower. Which line of thought would lead me to predict that 2014 will be cleanER again. And following that, will depend on the actions of one Mr. Cookson over the next year.

Did you see the Giro and Vuelta that year? The classics?

 

[Avoriaz]

Bobby Dulich is amazing.

He can make anyone win.

Who's Bobby Dulich?

Perhaps he knows your friend Brailsbruybeelfraud

 

[Digger]

I have glad I logged in today...I have been struggling of late, but it's because of my mental approach. So when the other guys used to ride away from me and I couldn't climb a hill it was down to my mental approach.

Does anyone know the email address of Bobby Dulich? Must be Dutch.

 

[veganrob]

I have glad I logged in today...I have been struggling of late, but it's because of my mental approach. So when the other guys used to ride away from me and I couldn't climb a hill it was down to my mental approach.

Does anyone know the email address of Bobby Dulich? Must be Dutch.

tdftrainingsytems@bdoolick.com

You can get a translation into any language. There is chapter on mental approach as well as nutrition, rest and recovery.
Zero to Hero is my personal favorite.
Check it out.

 

[thehog]

tdftrainingsytems@bdoolick.com

You can get a translation into any language. There is chapter on mental approach as well as nutrition, rest and recovery.
Zero to Hero is my personal favorite.
Check it out.

Bobby Dulich ad Chris Froome sit down in front of him with a chalkboard.

He said "Now Dawg, I want you to draw for me how to climb hills and mountains".

 

[thehog]

tdftrainingsytems@bdoolick.com

You can get a translation into any language. There is chapter on mental approach as well as nutrition, rest and recovery.
Zero to Hero is my personal favorite.
Check it out.

Bobby Dulich had Chris Froome sit down in front of him with a chalkboard.

He said:

"Now Dawg, I want you to draw for me how to climb straight line hills and mountains".

 

[sublimit]

I donot think the mental portion counts for much if you donot have the legs. He was not losing races as he was mid pack. Tactics only come into picture if ur top 5-10 & front group. The transformation from mid pack to podium in a single race 2011 Vuelta is what everybody has a problem with of which one explanation is the bilharzia virus which again they say was discovered in 2010. If other guys having a decade of development haven't done that then how did he?

I understand people got freaked by that result including myself, but he backed it up instead of disappearing into anonymity.

Most people forget he was going OK early that year tho and pulled a fast Brit Nats ITT the previous year (2010).

 

[42x16ss]

What the Froome bashers seem to ignore is just how much if this sport is raced in your head and that was something he lacked in his first few years Pro. He was losing races mentally. Bobby Dulich worked on his tactical approach and even now he is seen as tactically naive which comes from having zero experience of the Euro peloton in the Juniors/U23 stages. Most guys his age have perhaps a decade of development on him.

Gotta have the legs to contend before you can lose the race mentally

 

[Benotti69]

So Bobby Dolick is to blame for telling Froome dont look at the road look at your stem and the race will be won!!!!

 

[the sceptic]

I understand people got freaked by that result including myself, but he backed it up instead of disappearing into anonymity.

Most people forget he was going OK early that year tho and pulled a fast Brit Nats ITT the previous year (2010).

Lets get real, Dawg had some decent ITT results in 2011 a couple of top 10 in smaller races if i recall correctly but that doesnt explain how it was suddenly possible for him to become a top 3 ITTer in the world.

And when did he ever do anything remotely close to the climbing he showed in the 2011 vuelta?

 

[thehog]

Lets get real, Dawg had some decent ITT results in 2011 a couple of top 10 in smaller races if i recall correctly but that doesnt explain how it was suddenly possible for him to become a top 3 ITTer in the world.

And when did he ever do anything remotely close to the climbing he showed in the 2011 vuelta?

http://www.procyclingstats.com/rider.php?=&id=140869&season=2011

He could barely keep up all season until his contract had 3 months left...

Kaboom!

 

[sublimit]

Lets get real, Dawg had some decent ITT results in 2011 a couple of top 10 in smaller races if i recall correctly but that doesnt explain how it was suddenly possible for him to become a top 3 ITTer in the world.

And when did he ever do anything remotely close to the climbing he showed in the 2011 vuelta?

As i said its surprising but running Wiggins close in 2010 Brit Nats ITT is your friend.

I'm leaving the climbing stuff to other people

 

[thehog]

As i said its surprising but running Wiggins close in 2010 Brit Nats ITT is your friend.

I'm leaving the climbing stuff to other people

Close?

He produced more power once he lost all that fat!

Wiggins came home almost one and a half minutes faster than his nearest rival, Froome.

http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/road/article/roa20100903-2010-British-Time-Trial-Championships-0

 

[hrotha]

I understand people got freaked by that result including myself, but he backed it up instead of disappearing into anonymity.

Most people forget he was going OK early that year tho and pulled a fast Brit Nats ITT the previous year (2010).

Yes, he was doing OK, but it was, like, "oh, top 15 in Romandie! That's great for him!"

 

[the sceptic]

As i said its surprising but running Wiggins close in 2010 Brit Nats ITT is your friend.

I'm leaving the climbing stuff to other people

Wiggins in 2010 wasnt the same ITTer that he is now. Froome was pretty close to Geraint Thomas there, that was probably his ITT level before the transformation. Pretty decent, might get a top 10 here and there when the stars align.