The Climb (Froome's first autobiography)

[thehog]

Gooner read this Walsh thread on Lance:

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=7558&highlight=Walsh

Whilst most agree with him on Armstrong is doping (of course) but he is pulled apart for getting a lot of details wrong in his article.

So not much as changed you believe. This is not a Sky thing. It's just Walsh is such a bad writer and journalist.

 

[Granville57]

Have to laugh at people who now say Walsh can't write a good book when they didn't open their mouths and say anything of the sort when he wrote Seven Deadly Sins and From Lance to Landis. I thought both were very good books.

Walsh was openly mocked by plenty of people for the obvious rush job and lack of compelling narrative behind Seven Deadly Sins. I never read the book, and that was in part due to the overwhelmingly negative reaction to the content and the manner in which it was delivered (not to mention that I was more interested in the USADA report at that time than self-congatulatory gestures by Walsh).

Re: Lance to Landis
Most people were concentrating on sorting out the content, much of it being new to many people at the time, and most of which demanded further investigation. Had Walsh delivered anything of the sort with recent Sky love affair, people would likely be more focused on the content and less on the messenger.

 

[yespatterns]

Hopefully The Descent will be out soon

Sorry, that's Wiggo's new autobiography. I hear reading it takes a lot longer than most and that it has a propensity of falling on the floor.

 

[thehog]

Walsh was openly mocked by plenty of people for the obvious rush job and lack of compelling narrative behind Seven Deadly Sins. I never read the book, and that was in part due to the overwhelmingly negative reaction to the content and the manner in which it was delivered (not to mention that I was more interested in the USADA report at that time than self-congatulatory gestures by Walsh).

Re: Lance to Landis
Most people were concentrating on sorting out the content, much of it being new to many people at the time, and most of which demanded further investigation. Had Walsh delivered anything of the sort with recent Sky love affair, people would likely be more focused on the content and less on the messenger.

Correct re: Lance to Landis. It was a rehash of LA Confidential and in sections it jumped text and topic from one paragraph to the next. It was terribly put together. But like you say at the time it was the only non-Lance-loving book in circulation so we all took what we could.

I never read SDS for the same reason. Just more of the same regurgitated stories from Walsh.

His fact checking has never been good. So many mistakes in all of his books. They always appear rushed.

 

[veganrob]

Why read the books?

Never read any of Walshs books. I didn't need anyone to tell me LA was doped to the gills.
But from the excerpts I've read in theses forums, he is even worse of a writer than I could imagine. Just terrible. Why would anyone read that tripe?

 

[Nathan12]

Correct re: Lance to Landis. It was a rehash of LA Confidential and in sections it jumped text and topic from one paragraph to the next. It was terribly put together. But like you say at the time it was the only non-Lance-loving book in circulation so we all took what we could.

I never read SDS for the same reason. Just more of the same regurgitated stories from Walsh.

His fact checking has never been good. So many mistakes in all of his books. They always appear rushed.

Examples of mistakes from The Climb: Carlos Sastre riding for Saxo Bank as a domestique for JJ Cobo in the 2011 Vuelta. Calling Chris Anker Sorensen Sorenson. Just smacks of a rush-job- but why the rush? It's lamost like they know the story's not going to hold for very long...

 

[thehog]

Examples of mistakes from The Climb: Carlos Sastre riding for Saxo Bank as a domestique for JJ Cobo in the 2011 Vuelta. Calling Chris Anker Sorensen Sorenson. Just smacks of a rush-job- but why the rush? It's lamost like they know the story's not going to hold for very long...

To cash in for the Tour. That's why. No time to fact check when there's money to be made!

 

[Nathan12]

To cash in for the Tour. That's why. No time to fact check when there's money to be made!

But part of Walsh must be worried that there is a chance that rushing into this love-affair could end his career?

 

[thehog]

But part of Walsh must be worried that there is a chance that rushing into this love-affair could end his career?

He made his money now. And is still claiming he's he guy who took down Armstrong when he wasn't.

But what does he care? Journalists don't get suspended when the athlete goes down.

He knows that first hand. He'll keep writing Froome stories until the cows come home.

 

[doperhopper]

To cash in for the Tour. That's why. No time to fact check when there's money to be made!

yeah, imagine gazillions of buyers of Mein Climb if Clentador kicks everybody's ***

 

[melkemugg]

yeah, imagine gazillions of buyers of Mein Climb if Clentador kicks everybody's ***

Thats why its released way before the tour. So they can cash in before he gets owned in TdF

 

[thehog]

yeah, imagine gazillions of buyers of Mein Climb if Clentador kicks everybody's ***

Yes of course it would have a German title for a Spanish rider.

Smart guy you are

 

[sniper]

I cant imagine this book becoming a bestseller.
froome must be one of the most uncharismatic dopers of all times.

 

[Red Rick]

yeah, imagine gazillions of buyers of Mein Climb if Clentador kicks everybody's ***

Are we allowed to make puns about that?

If so

Yep, Bertie will deport all the anglo's back to their training camps

 

[Red Rick]

I cant imagine this book becoming a bestseller.
froome must be one of the most uncharismatic dopers of all times.

I also don't know what about his backstory could be interesting. There's only so much you can write about badzilla and being a white guy in Kenya

 

[Digger]

Will this picture be in it - so in Cound's head, lance is bad, Vino is good

http://instagram.com/p/N4IbwWsoJp/#

 

[PunchingRouleur]

Will this picture be in it - so in Cound's head, lance is bad, Vino is good

Yeah, She got somethig right.

 

[mambo1]

Moser used to train on hills by putting it in the biggest gear and trying to power up it all the way in the seat. Didn't make him a climber.........

He didn't need to be. the Italian fans pushed him up the hills!

 

[Benotti69]

He didn't need to be. the Italian fans pushed him up the hills!

Only the once mind...........

 

[thehog]

I cant imagine this book becoming a bestseller.
froome must be one of the most uncharismatic dopers of all times.

Put Froome in a room with Mika Hakkinen and see who could out bore one another.

Think Froome would win.

 

[gooner]

Did this forum exist a decade ago?

Was December 2012 when Seven Deadly Sins was published a decade ago?

 

[gooner]

Yes, they did. I did. He's a terrible writer.

I have always criticised his books even in the Lance era.

Thought he was a terrible writer and always said he had his mind made up on Armstrong and just found dots to join. Rather than form an opinion from the evidence he gathered.

He wasn't an investigative journalist with Armstrong and I always stated that in his forum.

He just had a hunch and played it out in books which sold 11 copies in France.

No, there was no real criticism by the regulars on this forum about Seven Deadly Sins and From Lance to Landis.

 

[Digger]

No, there was no real criticism by the regulars on this forum about Seven Deadly Sins and From Lance to Landis.

I honestly would like to know, just so I understand where you are coming from, do you think froome is clean?

 

[JRanton]

I was interested listening to Richard Moore referring to some details in the book with regards to the contract negotiations that went on with Froome around the Vuelta in 2011. Froome was on a 100,000 euros per year contract at the time and prior to the Vuelta Sky were at best offering a reduced 60,000 euros per year contract (which isn't much above the minimum that WT riders receive) and they weren't even certain whether they wanted to keep him at all. Brailsford even sent a text message to Froome's agent stating that Froome had done ''nothing'' to deserve any more than they were offering.

It all points to the idea that Sky had absolutely nothing to do with Froome's doping in the 2011 Vuelta. Froome was on his uppers at the time, worried about his future, and crossed over to the dark side. It's a tale as old as time itself.

 

[gooner]

Walsh was openly mocked by plenty of people for the obvious rush job and lack of compelling narrative behind Seven Deadly Sins. I never read the book, and that was in part due to the overwhelmingly negative reaction to the content and the manner in which it was delivered (not to mention that I was more interested in the USADA report at that time than self-congatulatory gestures by Walsh).

Re: Lance to Landis
Most people were concentrating on sorting out the content, much of it being new to many people at the time, and most of which demanded further investigation. Had Walsh delivered anything of the sort with recent Sky love affair, people would likely be more focused on the content and less on the messenger.

Read my response to the hog above.

Correct re: Lance to Landis. It was a rehash of LA Confidential and in sections it jumped text and topic from one paragraph to the next. It was terribly put together. But like you say at the time it was the only non-Lance-loving book in circulation so we all took what we could.

I never read SDS for the same reason. Just more of the same regurgitated stories from Walsh.

His fact checking has never been good. So many mistakes in all of his books. They always appear rushed.

If you can't be bothered to read the book, then don't comment on his style of writing. You're not credible on it.

It reminds me at the time of the JTL story and we had guys judging the article he wrote on it without even reading it in the first place.

I have read 4 books in relation to Walsh (Seven Deadly Sins, From Lance to Landis, Sky book and the Gareth Southgate autobiography he ghost wrote) and only the Sky book comes off as mixed.

In the case of the Southgate one which Froome's will be done in the same format as it's ghost written, I didn't find any problems with the style of writing.