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[LaFlorecita]

Digger is back

TFFT

I had to google that

TFFG - Thank F*** For Google

 

[LaFlorecita]

Digger is back

He's not only back; but has over 17k worth of tweets. WTF?

Yes, it's not a new account, rather he has reactivated his old account.

 

[thehog]

Re:

Without knowing the facts of what it is about and whether it's even true or not, what you say on here or any social media platform can set you up for potential libel. We're not untouchable and that cannot be taken for granted. This was discussed on here before.

Twitter and social media carries a lot of influence in the modern sense of society.

I don't want to see Digger on the end of it, I'm sure it's tough for him personally.

It's just sport at the end of the day.

I kinda think it's not so tough on him personally, but thanks for dancing on his grave when you thought the he was finished.

You're all class Gooner

 

[doperhopper]

Coming to The Clinic today, what's going on?

Looks like New Clean Clinic Era is here: first six threads were "Doping in ..." (other sports) and one Lance-related topic.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: brian

...thank brian.............Mark L

Brian has put doping under the radar not done away with it. No we really should not thank Brian for anything. He lied to get the Presidency and is just another Federation guy who doesn't care about cheating, but to improve the image and commerciality of the sport and hope to get on the IOC gravy train.

 

[DamianoMachiavelli]

Re:

Coming to The Clinic today, what's going on?

Looks like New Clean Clinic Era is here: first six threads were "Doping in ..." (other sports) and one Lance-related topic.

It's dead, Jim.

This place used to be where new information would pop up first. Not anymore. Now it's on non-racing oriented cycling forums before the Clinic is even aware of it. Lance training Dan Bilzerian for a $600K bet, along with pictures: Nothing in the Clinic. Brandt-Sorenson pleads guilty to doing a Papp by selling EPO with an "Anemia Patient Group" blog: Nothing in the Clinic.
Thanks, mods.

 

[simoni]

Why does a team of 30 riders need 4 doctors when the average human being goes to the Dr once a year if that?
What would a healthy individual say if he saw inside the bag of a Pro-Tour teams doctor and said doctor explained the various uses of medicinal products?

These are the questions that Brian Cookson should be asking.

I don't see any particular issue with teams wanting to look after the health of their riders - this is a bloody tough sport after all.

Doctors aren't the problem, unethical doctors are.

 

[Maxiton]

Re: Re:

Coming to The Clinic today, what's going on?

Looks like New Clean Clinic Era is here: first six threads were "Doping in ..." (other sports) and one Lance-related topic.

It's dead, Jim.

This place used to be where new information would pop up first. Not anymore. Now it's on non-racing oriented cycling forums before the Clinic is even aware of it. Lance training Dan Bilzerian for a $600K bet, along with pictures: Nothing in the Clinic. Brandt-Sorenson pleads guilty to doing a Papp by selling EPO with an "Anemia Patient Group" blog: Nothing in the Clinic.

Thanks, mods.

That you, bro? You can post any or all of that stuff here, you know.

The clinic was once the hive of activity centered around a group of people whose agenda was to take down Armstrong. He's down now and most of the group, mission accomplished, are nowhere to be found. Not here in the clinic, anyway. But problems in pro cycling and its administration are if anything worse. Motors, for God's sake.

So if you've got anything to say, get posting.

 

[DamianoMachiavelli]

Re: Re:

That you, bro? You can post any or all of that stuff here, you know.

The clinic was once the hive of activity centered around a group of people whose agenda was to take down Armstrong. He's down now and most of the group, mission accomplished, are nowhere to be found. Not here in the clinic, anyway. But problems in pro cycling and its administration are if anything worse. Motors, for God's sake.

So if you've got anything to say, get posting.

Here is something amusing. The Clinic seems to have completely missed Tilford's post calling BS on the latest Sky training propaganda. You might think a rider who was caught doping, badmouthed by Sky riders, and confident that Sky is doping would be cheering. Nope. The response was labeling Tilford a gerbil rancher and recalling how at multiple national championship races Tilford cut the course to get ahead of ten people. That sort of hypocrisy is pro cycling in a nutshell.

 

[Maxiton]

Re: Re:

That you, bro? You can post any or all of that stuff here, you know.

The clinic was once the hive of activity centered around a group of people whose agenda was to take down Armstrong. He's down now and most of the group, mission accomplished, are nowhere to be found. Not here in the clinic, anyway. But problems in pro cycling and its administration are if anything worse. Motors, for God's sake.

So if you've got anything to say, get posting.

Here is something amusing. The Clinic seems to have completely missed Tilford's post calling BS on the latest Sky training propaganda. You might think a rider who was caught doping, badmouthed by Sky riders, and confident that Sky is doping would be cheering. Nope. The response was labeling Tilford a gerbil rancher and recalling how at multiple national championship races Tilford cut the course to get ahead of ten people. That sort of hypocrisy is pro cycling in a nutshell.

Got some links?

 

[Irondan]

Re: Re:

That you, bro? You can post any or all of that stuff here, you know.

The clinic was once the hive of activity centered around a group of people whose agenda was to take down Armstrong. He's down now and most of the group, mission accomplished, are nowhere to be found. Not here in the clinic, anyway. But problems in pro cycling and its administration are if anything worse. Motors, for God's sake.

So if you've got anything to say, get posting.

Here is something amusing. The Clinic seems to have completely missed Tilford's post calling BS on the latest Sky training propaganda. You might think a rider who was caught doping, badmouthed by Sky riders, and confident that Sky is doping would be cheering. Nope. The response was labeling Tilford a gerbil rancher and recalling how at multiple national championship races Tilford cut the course to get ahead of ten people. That sort of hypocrisy is pro cycling in a nutshell.

Got some links?

This is the link to the Steve Tilford blog post mentioned above.

http://stevetilford.com/2016/03/15/clean-riders-can-be-better-than-doped-riders/

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

That you, bro? You can post any or all of that stuff here, you know.

The clinic was once the hive of activity centered around a group of people whose agenda was to take down Armstrong. He's down now and most of the group, mission accomplished, are nowhere to be found. Not here in the clinic, anyway. But problems in pro cycling and its administration are if anything worse. Motors, for God's sake.

So if you've got anything to say, get posting.

Here is something amusing. The Clinic seems to have completely missed Tilford's post calling BS on the latest Sky training propaganda. You might think a rider who was caught doping, badmouthed by Sky riders, and confident that Sky is doping would be cheering. Nope. The response was labeling Tilford a gerbil rancher and recalling how at multiple national championship races Tilford cut the course to get ahead of ten people. That sort of hypocrisy is pro cycling in a nutshell.

Got some links?

This is the link to the Steve Tilford blog post mentioned above.

http://stevetilford.com/2016/03/15/clean-riders-can-be-better-than-doped-riders/

Its a good article, I must profess I missed it in-between talking about how to hold a coffee cup the right way

Some good points here:

When a coach that has the success of training 3 out of the last 4 Tour de France winners says that it is possible for clean riders to perform better than the doped riders of the past, well, that is just stupid in this day and age.

It is way too close to the time when virtually every single race was won by a doped rider, to be saying stupid stuff like this. If the guy’s timeframe is in decades or centuries, not in months or years, then maybe, just maybe, it might eventually happen. But implying that current riders can perform on par with doped riders of the recent past is nuts. Maybe he was comparing clean riders to doping way, way past, like when they used to use strychnine or guinea pig sperm?

Forget the performance bump these guys are getting in competition. I’d like him to explain what a clean riders can do to recover instantaneously like the guys that took the oxygen vector and steroids. I’d like to see a clean Chris Froome sit at the front of the field of the Tour de France and set tempo for three weeks, day after day.

I saw this article at Velonews that quotes the guy from Sky, Tim Kerrison, that is training Chris Froome, plus he was Bradley Wiggins coach too, and he says that clean riders can perform better than the doping riders of the past. I find this statement insulting to all athletes. Clean or doped. I think he is full of ***.

It is insulting to clean riders because it implies that they aren’t training correctly and thus, performing at a subpar level. It is insulting to the doped riders, saying that even though they might have a 20% unnatural advantage, they aren’t good enough to beat a properly trained clean rider.

 

[Maxiton]

Re: Re:

That you, bro? You can post any or all of that stuff here, you know.

The clinic was once the hive of activity centered around a group of people whose agenda was to take down Armstrong. He's down now and most of the group, mission accomplished, are nowhere to be found. Not here in the clinic, anyway. But problems in pro cycling and its administration are if anything worse. Motors, for God's sake.

So if you've got anything to say, get posting.

Here is something amusing. The Clinic seems to have completely missed Tilford's post calling BS on the latest Sky training propaganda. You might think a rider who was caught doping, badmouthed by Sky riders, and confident that Sky is doping would be cheering. Nope. The response was labeling Tilford a gerbil rancher and recalling how at multiple national championship races Tilford cut the course to get ahead of ten people. That sort of hypocrisy is pro cycling in a nutshell.

Got some links?

This is the link to the Steve Tilford blog post mentioned above.

http://stevetilford.com/2016/03/15/clean-riders-can-be-better-than-doped-riders/

Thanks, Irondan.

 

[The Hitch]

That article nails it.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

The clinic was once the hive of activity centered around a group of people whose agenda was to take down Armstrong. He's down now and most of the group, mission accomplished, are nowhere to be found. Not here in the clinic, anyway. But problems in pro cycling and its administration are if anything worse. Motors, for God's sake.

ur forgetting the parakeets bro.

pararkeet heists. international aphrodisiac smuggling exotic amazon birds to the orient.

follow the motors
follow the parakeets
follow the money

 

[thehog]

Re:

That article nails it.

Apparently there was a massive seachange in the peloton in 2012. The entire peloton gave up drugs. No one knows why, they just did. It was clean until the 2014 Tour when Nibali won but managed to clean itself up again until the 2015 Giro but clean by the Tour. Now WADA will spend even more money making sport even cleaner than it already is. The UCI will shut down anyone who says it might be a little bit dirty and hide doping announcements in the back pages of a PDF file.

We live in interesting times.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Re:

That article nails it.

Steve always nails it.

 

[DamianoMachiavelli]

Re: Re:

That article nails it.

Steve always nails it.

You guys missed the point. Tilford, as usual, complains about being robbed by the evil doperz, even complaining about those racing at a level far removed from his own and on a different continent, but he has no problem with himself cheating at domestic races.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Re: Re:

That article nails it.

Steve always nails it.

You guys missed the point. Tilford, as usual, complains about being robbed by the evil doperz, even complaining about those racing at a level far removed from his own and on a different continent, but he has no problem with himself cheating at domestic races.

His way of cheating is called Panache, Grinta, that is as old in cycling as wheels are round. You should read stories from the sixties and seventees.

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

You guys missed the point. Tilford, as usual, complains about being robbed by the evil doperz,

what i read is that he complains about his brain being insulted, which is fair enough i think, regardless of whether he dopes himself.

he has no problem with himself cheating at domestic races.

I heard this before. Is there any evidence of his doping, or just a rumor? Just so you know, rumors don't count in the Clinic ever since the rumor surfaced that Lemond brought EPO into the peloton.
On that topic, Tilford has a nice story about receiving anti-allergy treatment and medicines from David Morris, Lemond's father-in-law. You heard it first in the Clinic.

 

[Maxiton]

Re: Re:

You guys missed the point. Tilford, as usual, complains about being robbed by the evil doperz,

what i read is that he complains about his brain being insulted, which is fair enough i think, regardless of whether he dopes himself.

he has no problem with himself cheating at domestic races.

I heard this before. Is there any evidence of his doping, or just a rumor? Just so you know, rumors don't count in the Clinic ever since the rumor surfaced that Lemond brought EPO into the peloton.
On that topic, Tilford has a nice story about receiving anti-allergy treatment and medicines from David Morris, Lemond's father-in-law. You heard it first in the Clinic.

If you keep this up, we're going to have to get the LeMond thread reopened.

 

[DamianoMachiavelli]

Re: Re:

You guys missed the point. Tilford, as usual, complains about being robbed by the evil doperz, even complaining about those racing at a level far removed from his own and on a different continent, but he has no problem with himself cheating at domestic races.

His way of cheating is called Panache, Grinta, that is as old in cycling as wheels are round. You should read stories from the sixties and seventees.[/quote]

This is not 60s or 70s Europe and the racing is not being done on narrow cobbled roads with smooth adjacent paths. It is pathetic U.S. domestic racing being done on clean tarmac with cones defining the corners. His fellow riders are hardly celebrating his panache.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re: Re:

His way of cheating is called Panache, Grinta, that is as old in cycling as wheels are round. You should read stories from the sixties and seventees.

This is not 60s or 70s Europe and the racing is not being done on narrow cobbled roads with smooth adjacent paths. It is pathetic U.S. domestic racing being done on clean tarmac with cones defining the corners. His fellow riders are hardly celebrating his panache.

Got a link or are you only providing butthurt?

 

[Benotti69]

Tilford's hypocrisy lies with his refusal to call out BMC and his buddy relationships with some dopers and some enablers.

His partner Trudi is a soigneur with BMC.

There are a lot worse out there than Tilford, but he puts friendships first, whether someone cheated or not.

 

[pastronef]

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