The dirty Team BISSELL Homecare, Inc

[BigBoat]

O'Bee has an "issue" with the anti doping feds.... This keeps getting better and better. How the heck do they go so fast??

Even the Team doc said Zirbel cranked out some "huge wattage"...... lol, again> With "Bad to the Bone" playing in the backround. "Yeah baby yeah" thats the team doc talking. lol :

http://www.bissellprocycling.com/Races/2009/Tour_of_California_prologue.html#video

 

[Izoard]

Ko'B might be KO'd here. Not sure what's going on, but it looks like he got popped for something. Sigh

 

[Izoard]

Nice avatar ...

 

[Hooptie]

It's not a Bissell thing, it's an O-Positive thing. He was an isolated rider on that team, nobody wanted him. He won crit Nats for Health Net...and they didn't even want him. Whoever hired him @ Bissell is a moron, yes they needed a crit rider...but come on. BJM and Zirbel are clean riders, if they wanted to race dirty they would have been in Europe years ago.

 

[El Imbatido]

What is actually going on with O'bee. Did he test positive? If so is a positive called a "contract violation" these days? The frontpage of cyclingnews didnt really go into much detail.

 

[craig1985]

Hasn't O'Bee been done in the past for drugs?

 

[the truth.]

there is a few shadows there but Ben Jaques-Maynes is a shining light. Class act. I never mind being beaten by him. to quote:

“Because I perform clean and I want to race others whom are clean as well.”

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Hasn't O'Bee been done in the past for drugs?

According to Wikipedia:

In 2002, Kirk O'Bee received a one-year suspension from professional cycling due to an elevated testosterone to epitestosterone ratio as a result of testing performed at the 2001 US Professional Cycling Championships. O'Bee declared that his positive drug test "resulted from a special training regimen recommended by his coach, which involved dietary supplements and exercise."

Susan

 

[Izoard]

According to Wikipedia:

In 2002, Kirk O'Bee received a one-year suspension from professional cycling due to an elevated testosterone to epitestosterone ratio as a result of testing performed at the 2001 US Professional Cycling Championships. O'Bee declared that his positive drug test "resulted from a special training regimen recommended by his coach, which involved dietary supplements and exercise."

Susan

Not exactly a confidence inspiring statement!

 

[Eva Maria]

According to Wikipedia:

In 2002, Kirk O'Bee received a one-year suspension from professional cycling due to an elevated testosterone to epitestosterone ratio as a result of testing performed at the 2001 US Professional Cycling Championships. O'Bee declared that his positive drug test "resulted from a special training regimen recommended by his coach, which involved dietary supplements and exercise."

Susan

Now he is a two time loser.

O'Bee rode out of his skin at that US Pro. He was in contention for the win during the closing part of the race. It was no surprise he got popped.

 

[Bala Verde]

So a second violation, isn't that an 8 year ban?

 

[psychlist]

How does U.S. testing compare to European?

 

[red_explosions]

According to Wikipedia:

In 2002, Kirk O'Bee received a one-year suspension from professional cycling due to an elevated testosterone to epitestosterone ratio as a result of testing performed at the 2001 US Professional Cycling Championships. O'Bee declared that his positive drug test "resulted from a special training regimen recommended by his coach, which involved dietary supplements and exercise."

Susan

I've heard some lame excuses in my time but that's up there with the best of them.

 

[BigBoat]

I would severly question Zirbel's jacked "$500 a minute" 500 watt TTs. Dont know why this thread hasnt caughten on. If anything, there are way more clean pros on minor teams in the USA than in europe thats for sure.

 

[auscyclefan94]

O'Bee has an "issue" with the anti doping feds.... This keeps getting better and better. How the heck do they go so fast??

Even the Team doc said Zirbel cranked out some "huge wattage"...... lol, again> With "Bad to the Bone" playing in the backround. "Yeah baby yeah" thats the team doc talking. lol :

http://www.bissellprocycling.com/Races/2009/Tour_of_California_prologue.html#video

How's the clinic treating you Big boat? you must be the leader of the pack in here with your dope friends. Hope to catch up with you soon.

P.S Why don't you post in the professional road racing forum? Is it because you haven't got anything to say about cycling that's not to do with drugs.

 

[blackcat]

aus94, there is no cycling without the dope, they are not mutually exclusive. Clean riders ride in the same team with charged riders, charged riders are domestiques for some of the talented clean riders, clean riders get in moves with charged riders...

 

[Hooptie]

I would severly question Zirbel's jacked "$500 a minute" 500 watt TTs. Dont know why this thread hasnt caughten on. If anything, there are way more clean pros on minor teams in the USA than in europe thats for sure.

Zirbel is a short TT specialist, he was hands down the favorite for the win. The only surprise is he only won by 1 sec.

 

[Kennf1]

I've heard some lame excuses in my time but that's up there with the best of them.

He should know better than to use a training regimen that involves exercise.

 

[auscyclefan94]

aus94, there is no cycling without the dope, they are not mutually exclusive. Clean riders ride in the same team with charged riders, charged riders are domestiques for some of the talented clean riders, clean riders get in moves with charged riders...

There's more to cycling than doping i gurantee it. Some choose to ackknowledge but look at the racing more and some just focus on doping like it is the actual sport we are all following.

 

[Onlyiftheytestpositive]

how come when the euros test positive you hear exactly what went on. all i have heard with o'bee is that the team sacked him for doping. someone should post a thread on doping in the american peleton. it would be interesting to see what people think. If o'bee was doing it then there are definitely others.

 

[joe_papp]

how come when the euros test positive you hear exactly what went on...

Because in the USA, for positive controls originating within this country, USADA seems to do an excellent job of not violating the accused athlete's privacy by leaking test details to the media. For example, one cyclist I know who won a national championship and returned an A-sample deemed positive for EPO, quickly requested the B-sample analysis - which took some time.

However, at no point after he was crowned national champion was his story leaked to the media - he enjoyed the benefits of USADA's commitment to protect athlete privacy. The B-sample was later declared just-not-quite-enough to confirm the A-results, so my boy walked. And there was no reporting on it and he was able to sign a pro contract based on his amateur national championship victory.

 

[Izoard]

Because in the USA, for positive controls originating within this country, USADA seems to do an excellent job of not violating the accused athlete's privacy by leaking test details to the media. For example, one cyclist I know who won a national championship and returned an A-sample deemed positive for EPO, quickly requested the B-sample analysis - which took some time.

However, at no point after he was crowned national champion was his story leaked to the media - he enjoyed the benefits of USADA's commitment to protect athlete privacy. The B-sample was later declared just-not-quite-enough to confirm the A-results, so my boy walked. And there was no reporting on it and he was able to sign a pro contract based on his amateur national championship victory.

Now that is pretty interesting! So it would seem in the case of leaks, it is more the national testing administrations that have a fair bit of control (as opposed to the UCI)? I have seen "leaked" information that is "sourced" from the UCI, but that could just be sloppy reporting (or perhaps it is sometimes from one source, sometimes from another).

 

[blackcat]

Because in the USA, for positive controls originating within this country, USADA seems to do an excellent job of not violating the accused athlete's privacy by leaking test details to the media. For example, one cyclist I know who won a national championship and returned an A-sample deemed positive for EPO, quickly requested the B-sample analysis - which took some time.

However, at no point after he was crowned national champion was his story leaked to the media - he enjoyed the benefits of USADA's commitment to protect athlete privacy. The B-sample was later declared just-not-quite-enough to confirm the A-results, so my boy walked. And there was no reporting on it and he was able to sign a pro contract based on his amateur national championship victory.

Joe, come on, li'l naive. Leaking and back channels may serve a strategic purpose. Been proven all feds and assocations, a few famous ones in the US, cover up their own positives.

So, leaks can exist for the right reasons.

 

[joe_papp]

Joe, come on, li'l naive. Leaking and back channels may serve a strategic purpose. Been proven all feds and assocations, a few famous ones in the US, cover up their own positives.

So, leaks can exist for the right reasons.

While leaks can exist for the right reasons, can you cite an example of when USADA leaked a rider's A-sample result from a test that it administered, inside the US? I'm not talking about a situation like that of Landis, where the test was done outside the US, under the control of an agency other than USADA, and those results (of pee-analysis done to an American's sample) were handed out to the media forcing the rider to confirm the disclosure before the counter-analysis was performed?

 

[blackcat]

no'can do. Yet those track (n field) positives in the 80's, someone shoulda leaked 'em.