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Teams & Riders The Great Big Cycling Transfers, Extensions, and Rumours Thread

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Pidcock giving signs that he's on his way out

View: https://x.com/IndeLeiderstrui/status/1832698059060387904


Some at Ineos must quietly think all their Christmases have come at once, free up a few million a year for who was a Ardennes/breakaway specialist, might even get a bit of a buyout-fee for him.

Hilarious how he's moaning despite deciding his own schedule and eschewing the biggest races in cycling so he could peak for offroad events.
Pidcock still hasn’t decided whether he actually enjoys road racing, I think.
 
Pidcock giving signs that he's on his way out

View: https://x.com/IndeLeiderstrui/status/1832698059060387904


Some at Ineos must quietly think all their Christmases have come at once, free up a few million a year for who was a Ardennes/breakaway specialist, might even get a bit of a buyout-fee for him.

Hilarious how he's moaning despite deciding his own schedule and eschewing the biggest races in cycling so he could peak for offroad events.
The cycling team’s Jadon Sancho. On loan with an obligation to buy to Red Bull provided they finish in the top 14 of the UCI world rankings next year?
 
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Narvaez - Hirschi
Torres - Fisher-Black
Vermeersch - Bax
Herregodts - Covi

Unknown - Ulissi
Unknown - Vink
Unknown - Hodeg

3 spots left at UAE
All upgrades so far. Narvaez can win many of the races Hirschi has whilst being a useful domestique in the bigger races.

Torres might do less than Fisher-Bkwck next year but has a far higher long term ceiling.

Any upper tier pro tour level sprinter should be able to get better results than Hodeg in recent years.
 
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So the current big 3 GT riders (sorry, Remco, I put you on 4th) are in Red bull, Visma and OAE ant eh supposed-to-be next (Widar, Nordhagen and Torres) will ride for the same teams?
Sweet.
Talents are exciting but in the end just talents until they prove otherwise.

Where are Uijtdebroeks and Staune-Mittet now? They were so hyped from everyone and to be thought they would win their first GT with 20 years. ATM they are Top 10 of a GT at best
 
Talents are exciting but in the end just talents until they prove otherwise.

Where are Uijtdebroeks and Staune-Mittet now? They were so hyped from everyone and to be thought they would win their first GT with 20 years. ATM they are Top 10 of a GT at best
People expect these young talents to win GT's but they are racing in an era with Pogacar and Vingegaard. These two belong to top 5 GT riders of all times. We are expecting these young talents to do what Pogacar did in 2019 Vuelta, being podium at 20/21 years old (with 3 stage wins) but they can't. They are good (e.g Del Toro, Cian, Ayuso) however Pogacar has the Midas touch. I know Ayuso was third in 2022 Vuelta but his performance was nowhere close to the level showed by Pogacar in 2019 Vuelta.
 
People expect these young talents to win GT's but they are racing in an era with Pogacar and Vingegaard. These two belong to top 5 GT riders of all times. We are expecting these young talents to do what Pogacar did in 2019 Vuelta, being podium at 20/21 years old (with 3 stage wins) but they can't. They are good (e.g Del Toro, Cian, Ayuso) however Pogacar has the Midas touch. I know Ayuso was third in 2022 Vuelta but his performance was nowhere close to the level showed by Pogacar in 2019 Vuelta.
Ya, there is no shame in being Ben O'Connor. Winning always puts you in the spotlight but there are lots of renowned GT riders who never won a GT but still made a decent name for themselves.
 
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Ya, there is no shame in being Ben O'Connor. Winning always puts you in the spotlight but there are lots of renowned GT riders who never won a GT but still made a decent name for themselves.
To be honest, in terms of on-bike actions, more riders should strive to be Ben O'Connor. He's kind of like a Grand Tour Dan Martin, but not quite as good (or rather, it's harder to do what Martin did in the hilly classics in a Grand Tour because even if you get underestimated or take advantage of people's inaction once or twice, you don't get the instant reward but have to back it up consistently, whereas in a one-day race a simple miscalculation can result in the spoils going to an outsider). Dan Martin got enough wins and successes in hilly one-day races and medium mountain events to be worth considering as a threat, but nobody really considered him an elite puncheur of the calibre of contemporaries like Valverde, Gilbert or Purito - yet Martin won two monuments and should have won another (the horror that was Gerrans' LBL, when Martin, the only rider who had tried to make something happen in that appalling edition, crashed on the final corner allowing the worst of all possible outcomes to transpire), often because of being the only rider willing to lose in order to have a chance to win rather than back themselves in an uphill sprint against the best hill-sprinters of their day. There are a lot of riders out there who could contend that they have superior GT potential than O'Connor based on physical attributes, but have a far less impressive GT palmarès than him, and many of them will retire with a far less impressive GT palmarès than his too.

In terms of off-bike actions and behaviours, O'Connor hasn't exactly won himself many fans and I'm going to find it very difficult to cheer for him for the foreseeable future as a result, but on the bike the péloton could do with more people like him.
 
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I don't think the point of post about Blablablabla and the other rider I don't remember wasn't that they're bad riders or that there's shame in being a 2nd or 3rd tier GC rider. IMHO the point is... who cares if big money teams buy up all of these young prospects? Even if they do produce at a high level - and that's a big if - it might be years from now when they're not even on the same big money team that signed them.
 
So the current big 3 GT riders (sorry, Remco, I put you on 4th) are in Red bull, Visma and OAE ant eh supposed-to-be next (Widar, Nordhagen and Torres) will ride for the same teams?
Sweet.
Whilst I agree that Primoz is the better GC rider on paper (because of his palmares), Remco has shown that currently he's above him.
He showed it in the Giro last year before abandoning after winning the ITT whilst having Covid, and he was better during the Tour before Primoz crashed out.
 
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Whilst I agree that Primoz is the better GC rider on paper (because of his palmares), Remco has shown that currently he's above him.
He showed it in the Giro last year before abandoning after winning the ITT whilst having Covid, and he was better during the Tour before Primoz crashed out.

Well, Roglic fell before the mountains and Remco didn't even ride 1 hard mountain stage so I don't think it's right to assess their level based on 2 flat TTs. If you go to Vuelta 2022 I could agree with you. As for the Tour, you have a point but still Roglic crashed-out before the hard mountain stages so it's hard to judge again.

They started 4 GT's against each other and finished together only one, but we don't judge based on that GT as well. We simply have no data do assess their level compared to each other so I was just going by palmares (and recency bias to be honest).
 
I don't think the point of post about Blablablabla and the other rider I don't remember wasn't that they're bad riders or that there's shame in being a 2nd or 3rd tier GC rider. IMHO the point is... who cares if big money teams buy up all of these young prospects? Even if they do produce at a high level - and that's a big if - it might be years from now when they're not even on the same big money team that signed them.
For the same reason as we don't want Manchester City buying some mid table team's best players because they need six weeks' injury cover and then having those players on the bench because they'd rather have them and not use them than let somebody else potentially benefit from their skills; we'd rather these riders be giving the underdogs a chance to add some entertainment to the race than serving as backup for the overdog, in some cases actively working to prevent those underdogs adding some entertainment to the race.

If the only riders capable of winning outside of the little cabal of the very elite riders are riding for the same teams as that little cabal of the very elite riders, then when the very elite riders are available, they don't have a chance to try to win, and when the very elite riders are not available, it's still the same teams doing the same thing at the front.
 
For the same reason as we don't want Manchester City buying some mid table team's best players because they need six weeks' injury cover and then having those players on the bench because they'd rather have them and not use them than let somebody else potentially benefit from their skills; we'd rather these riders be giving the underdogs a chance to add some entertainment to the race than serving as backup for the overdog, in some cases actively working to prevent those underdogs adding some entertainment to the race.

If the only riders capable of winning outside of the little cabal of the very elite riders are riding for the same teams as that little cabal of the very elite riders, then when the very elite riders are available, they don't have a chance to try to win, and when the very elite riders are not available, it's still the same teams doing the same thing at the front.
Well, sure. a team like Movistar losing Matteo Jorgenson to Visma matters because he produces results now. But the original post was about big teams gobbling up teenage prospects, who don't matter.