The "I can't believe" Mikel Landa thread

[Valv.Piti]

I'll get back to you when I can find the times hog, but Im sure others who know where the time splits are can post it here.

Isn't it tiring to be so condemning and sceptic all the time?

 

[thehog]

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When Landa is motivated he can do incredible things... he just need to be mental and phisically ok...I remember that descent of David Arroyo on Mortirolo, he was inspired, he took risk, becoue he was very confident.. if you have doubt about yourself, everything go wrong...(and Arroyo then I think he was doped, but you dont need that to be inspired)
If Quintana won Pais Vasco in an ITT, Landa can do the same, becouse they are similar kind of riders, even if you look at them, Quintana is smaller.

Are you using Quintana as a benchmark for a clean rider?

And we Landa is motivated, he can do incredible things??!! Get me some of that motivation!

 

[pastronef]

it would be nice to know how much he trained on his TT bike in 2016 vs 2015

I dont remember reading about him scouting the 2015 TT on his TT bike, or testing the TT bike in velodrome, and training on it much.

the fuel is always super, we know.
but has anyone on here raced some TT bike and maybe knows you fekking NEED to get used to that?

The new bike was developed specifically with Landa in mind... apparently

"Again, Pinarello has produced a fantastic bike. I’m so happy to use the new Bolide tomorrow in the Chianti time trial. Knowing how much work has gone into preparing this bike for me just gives me even more motivation to achieve the best result," Landa said.

Hog, come on, we and you know that´s the usual narrative

but with the same amount of super fuel, can´t a rider ride better if he is trained to specific race conditions?
find me a link or a pic of Landa training on a TT bike, training in a velodrome, and scouting a TT (not during the warm up ) in the past years.

 

[carolina]

The new bike was developed specifically with Landa in mind... apparently

"Again, Pinarello has produced a fantastic bike. I’m so happy to use the new Bolide tomorrow in the Chianti time trial. Knowing how much work has gone into preparing this bike for me just gives me even more motivation to achieve the best result," Landa said.

I hope you're not serious and that you're just joking, because you would be completly misinterpreting his words.

He was the first cyclist to ride the new bolide. It's just a PR manouver.

 

[Zypherov]

The Pinarello Bolide sham. It's all in the legs......

 

[thehog]

it would be nice to know how much he trained on his TT bike in 2016 vs 2015

I don't remember reading about him scouting the 2015 TT on his TT bike, or testing the TT bike in velodrome, and training on it much.

the fuel is always super, we know.
but has anyone on here raced some TT bike and maybe knows you fekking NEED to get used to that?

The new bike was developed specifically with Landa in mind... apparently

"Again, Pinarello has produced a fantastic bike. I’m so happy to use the new Bolide tomorrow in the Chianti time trial. Knowing how much work has gone into preparing this bike for me just gives me even more motivation to achieve the best result," Landa said.

Hog, come on, we and you know that´s the usual narrative

but with the same amount of super fuel, can´t a rider ride better if he is trained to specific race conditions?
find me a link or a pic of Landa training on a TT bike, training in a velodrome, and scouting a TT (not during the warm up ) in the past years.

Landa was doing extra ITT training on the Playstation at home whilst sick...

MILAN (VN) — Mikel Landa, third overall in the 2015 Giro d’Italia, hasn’t begun his 2016 race season with Team Sky. Out of the favorites for the Giro, which starts in two months, he is the only one yet to race.

Organizer RCS Sport expected the Spanish star to line up in Strade Bianche this Saturday and in the Tirreno-Adriatico stage race next week.

“It was a seasonal cold that needed more time then what we had imagined for him to deal with,” Sky sport director Dario Cioni told VeloNews. “It’s better that he [recovers fully]; Tirreno-Adriatico would not serve him well. It’s a demanding race, difficult. It’s not just four days of racing, it’s a week of hard stages. So it’s a management decision to leave him with more time to start the races ready.”

Landa led the 2015 Giro last May and looked ready to win before teammate and Astana captain Fabio Aru miraculously found his legs. Astana ordered Landa to ease off the throttle in several stages including the one over Mortirolo and paved the way for Aru to place second overall behind Alberto Contador (Tinkoff). Landa won two stages and placed third overall.

Sky signed the 26-year-old Basque over the off-season to lead its Giro d’Italia team. The British super-team says that it wants to send an A-team and go full-gas for its first overall win in the Italian grand tour. However, Landa’s delay raises some questions.


Back to training! Still no date for my debut but with the same goal in mind…Giro

— Mikel Landa (@MikelLandaMeana) February 29, 2016


He was due to debut in Sky’s black and blue at the Volta a Valenciana on February 3, but he and the team pushed it back to the Ruta del Sol on February 17. At first, he said the delay was due to additional practice needed on his time trial bike. Then, he fell sick before he began the Ruta del Sol (Vuelta a Andalucía). The new setback will leave Landa with few race days in his legs before the Giro d’Italia kicks off in Apeldoorn on May 6.

He is currently training in the south of Spain while his rivals — Alejandro Valverde (Movistar), Tom Dumoulin (Giant –Alpecin), Vincenzo Nibali (Astana), Rigoberto Urán (Cannondale), Esteban Chaves (Orica – GreenEdge) and Ryder Hesjedal (Trek – Segafredo) — already began their 2016 season.

“He’s improved a lot compared to just recently, but he’s just now began aerobic training,” added Cioni. “If all goes to plan, he should definitely race before the end of the month. We are still unsure if it’s going to be the Volta a Catalunya or Coppi & Bartali, it’s going to depend how he handles his workload and how he feels.”

Landa’s schedule should continue with the País Vasco stage race from April 4-9 and the Giro del Trentino, April 19-22.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/03/news/sky-further-delays-landas-2016-debut_397073#yBqyREueXftKUZ8u.99

 

[Benotti69]

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I'll get back to you when I can find the times hog, but Im sure others who know where the time splits are can post it here.

Isn't it tiring to be so condemning and sceptic all the time?

Is not tiring to be lied to and defrauded all the time by riders and teams?

 

[wansteadimp]

Landa down 3 minutes over the first climb, the day after a rest day, bad blood bag?

 

[pastronef]

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I'll get back to you when I can find the times hog, but Im sure others who know where the time splits are can post it here.

Isn't it tiring to be so condemning and sceptic all the time?

Is not tiring to be lied to and defrauded all the time by riders and teams?

who defrauds who?
not to be lied to we´d have to cancel pro cycling
it´s not like if Landa doesnt dope, a clean rider wins. eh?

 

[markene2]

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Landa down 3 minutes over the first climb, the day after a rest day, bad blood bag?

Remember back in the Fuentes days with people dropping like stone after the rest day?

If this wasn't 2016 i would say he got a wrong BB...

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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Landa down 3 minutes over the first climb, the day after a rest day, bad blood bag?

Remember back in the Fuentes days with people dropping like stone after the rest day?

If this wasn't 2016 i would say he got a wrong BB...

People dropping like stones after the rest day is as old as Grand Tour racing itself.

 

[thehog]

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Landa down 3 minutes over the first climb, the day after a rest day, bad blood bag?

This can only mean one thing....

The final week will be 1997 all over again!

 

[Rollthedice]

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Landa down 3 minutes over the first climb, the day after a rest day, bad blood bag?

This can only mean one thing....

The final week will be 1997 all over again!

It's over six minutes now. If he finishes he'll need to do a Landis.

 

[Rollthedice]

Well, it's over. See you next time.

 

[58teeth]

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Bummer! Was hoping to see the insanity

 

[Benotti69]

Landa lacking any energy due to sharing too much sausage with Nico Roche

 

[hrotha]

Gotta say, this is grade-A conspiracy material. Very strong in Trentino, showed puzzling weakness in the first week, did a great and very much out-of-character ITT and, next thing you know, he's "ill" right after the rest day. It's some vintage stuff, as others have noted.

 

[Benotti69]

Landa forgot to wash his hands

 

[thehog]

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Gotta say, this is grade-A conspiracy material. Very strong in Trentino, showed puzzling weakness in the first week, did a great and very much out-of-character ITT and, next thing you know, he's "ill" right after the rest day. It's some vintage stuff, as others have noted.

It is odd, I have to agree. I guess the "official" line will be he caught a cold in the wet ITT and became sick over the rest day.

I guess Landa is now in the Tour squad to be the new LRP. That is going to be some squad with Poels in support of Froome.

 

[Rollthedice]

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Gotta say, this is grade-A conspiracy material. Very strong in Trentino, showed puzzling weakness in the first week, did a great and very much out-of-character ITT and, next thing you know, he's "ill" right after the rest day. It's some vintage stuff, as others have noted.

The mistery deepens as he told just before the stage to a Danish reporter that he looks to attack. Clearly somewhere diwn the road something happened.

 

[thehog]

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Gotta say, this is grade-A conspiracy material. Very strong in Trentino, showed puzzling weakness in the first week, did a great and very much out-of-character ITT and, next thing you know, he's "ill" right after the rest day. It's some vintage stuff, as others have noted.

The mistery deepens as he told just before the stage to a Danish reporter that he looks to attack. Clearly somewhere diwn the road something happened.

I guess Walsh can get back to normal programming on not believing Astana.

Maybe thermal imaging cameras don't work in wet ITTs? But today Corrie was out on course filming bikes?

 

[hrotha]

Personally I don't really give any weight to the thing with the Danish journo, because bull****ting your way through weakness is a valid and common strategy. But who knows.

 

[danielovichdk2]

Known quite a few riders in the pro peleton.

All have ridden semi-hard stages with at least some illness.

This is beyond strange.

 

[MartinGT]

I've tweeted David Walsh a couple of times and as normal he has no minerals to answer.

 

[MartinGT]

Oh dear, Get fat Nige back!

https://twitter.com/TeamSky/status/732281041646432256