The Lance Deposition Tapes (Complete Testimony Now Available)

[Ferminal]

Only just started watching and laughing already... "he could have been referring to our time racing together".

lol he "only vaguely" recalls the details of Betsy's testimony.

Lance talking about "supporting partners" too!

 

[Scansorial]

I hope Nov gets himself a better attorney than the guy asking Lance questions! He really let him off the hook. Should have honed in on Lance calling the witnesses prior to their depositions. He asks the question then just leaves it.

And who is "Mr. Andrew"? The guy comes off like an idiot and it looks like Lance is the one doing the intimidating, not the lawyer.

Maybe I've been watching too much TV, but I always expect more from videos like that. Shouldn't the lawyer on a multimillion dollar case be some slick guy who doesn't take crap from anybody? Aside from his body language (hard to hide that) and his obvious searching for an answer on why he called Andreu, Lance is a pretty well-trained liar. That's why it's so surprising to see that last clip.

 

[BotanyBay]

Worth noting (for the sake of history):

Betsy Andreu did not cooperate with Walsh's book (even though she could have chosen to do so). Despite disliking Armstrong. So when Fabiani goes about saying she's always had an axe to grind, she didn't. She was willing to just live her life and let Armstrong go on living his lie, etc. She just wasn't willing to commit perjury. And it is that simple. And no one should ever be expected to do that for another person. And Armstrong is a coward for having expected her to do so.

Lance Armstrong is a coward.

The fact that he referred to Betsy as Frankie's "Old lady" shows his complete disrespect for women.

These clips are sad to watch. The guy is so ill.

 

[Benotti69]

And who is "Mr. Andrew"? The guy comes off like an idiot and it looks like Lance is the one doing the intimidating, not the lawyer.

Maybe I've been watching too much TV, but I always expect more from videos like that. Shouldn't the lawyer on a multimillion dollar case be some slick guy who doesn't take crap from anybody? Aside from his body language (hard to hide that) and his obvious searching for an answer on why he called Andreu, Lance is a pretty well-trained liar. That's why it's so surprising to see that last clip.

which is so obvious, that he is lying....

 

[Polish]

in clip 5 and 6, is this is the way he reacts to somewhat harmless and easy questions, how the hell would he perform in quite more serious FDA case with hardcore lawyers?

After reviewing ALL the tapes and ALL the evidence, an impartial arbitrator ruled in favor of Lance. No suprise.

I would assume an impartial jury would rule the same way in the imaginary FDA case. No suprise.

SSDT.

ps: cobblestoned & flicker....nice to have youse guys out of the penalty box and back on the ice lol.

 

[Kodiak]

Personally I'll be glad to watch LA just fade into obscurity. Best punishment I could see for him would be to see him bankrupt and living in a singlewide on some dirt lane living on Maddog 20/20 and talking to himself.

 

[BotanyBay]

After reviewing ALL the tapes and ALL the evidence, an impartial arbitrator ruled in favor of Lance. No suprise.

I would assume an impartial jury would rule the same way in the imaginary FDA case. No suprise.

SSDT.

ps: cobblestoned & flicker....nice to have youse guys out of the penalty box and back on the ice lol.

Yes, the arbitrator realized that the contract never mentioned doping. So his finding for Lance never had anything to do with the evidence presented in the depositions.

So Lance got his $7.5MM and we got to see all of that awesome evidence.

I guess that's his price for flight...

 

[PotentialPro]

I hope Nov gets himself a better attorney than the guy asking Lance questions! He really let him off the hook. Should have honed in on Lance calling the witnesses prior to their depositions. He asks the question then just leaves it.

But in a depo, its not really necessary to take a line of questioning to the end. You unearth things, then in court, you can take something like that all way. If you dig super deep in the depo, then that is a card played that could have been played later to a larger advantage. Largely in a depo, you have starred questions that you really want to go after, some you hold back for court, and others to give background so that you have a clear game plan.

 

[Cobblestoned]

After reviewing ALL the tapes and ALL the evidence, an impartial arbitrator ruled in favor of Lance. No suprise.

I would assume an impartial jury would rule the same way in the imaginary FDA case. No suprise.

SSDT.

ps: cobblestoned & flicker....nice to have youse guys out of the penalty box and back on the ice lol.

Yes, looks like a decision was made.

You think these will be some people's favorite video-clips besides that video where Indurain is passing Lance in TT ?
They will fiddle out every detail.
"Look, Lance scratched his ball - he is guilty !"

PS: yes finally the public strategies scripts are unbanned and we are all together again - at least for a while.
Loved your "most tested" thread. Sad it was closed under (unusual) circumstances shortly before my comeback.
Won't change the fact that you won. But hey, let them live in peace with their USADA-database, which says as much as a European database about drugtests on American-Football players. you know, sometimes they come to vacation to here and do some testmatches to teach the Europeans the real football.

 

[Polish]

So Lance got his $7.5MM and we got to see all of that awesome evidence.
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Gosh, we sure got the better end of that deal.
Priceless stuff.

 

[MacRoadie]

ps: cobblestoned & flicker....nice to have youse guys out of the penalty box and back on the ice lol.

You guys gonna meet in the boy's room after third period?

 

[BotanyBay]

So basically, Andy Shen owes Paul Kimmage a huge favor for endorsing his site. NYVelocity is the new shizzle.

 

[BotanyBay]

Gosh, we sure got the better end of that deal.
Priceless stuff.

He's traded his integrity as a man for a few bucks and a paid posse of yes-men. Perhaps he'll buy a chunk of property in Florida, erect a mountain and put a nice big Xanadu on top of it.

 

[Anonymous]

Worth noting (for the sake of history):

Betsy Andreu did not cooperate with Walsh's book (even though she could have chosen to do so). Despite disliking Armstrong. So when Fabiani goes about saying she's always had an axe to grind, she didn't. She was willing to just live her life and let Armstrong go on living his lie, etc. She just wasn't willing to commit perjury. And it is that simple. And no one should ever be expected to do that for another person. And Armstrong is a coward for having expected her to do so.

Lance Armstrong is a coward.

The fact that he referred to Betsy as Frankie's "Old lady" shows his complete disrespect for women.

These clips are sad to watch. The guy is so ill.

thank you for pointing that particular bit out... i almost punched my computer!

Lance better hope he's not up in front of a lady judge

 

[BotanyBay]

thank you for pointing that particular bit out... i almost punched my computer!

Lance better hope he's not up in front of a lady judge

Betsy actually posted a comment on the NY Velocity page. She's so funny!

 

[Anonymous]

Betsy actually posted a comment on the NY Velocity page. She's so funny!

LOL. thanks for pointing that out she is funny and he is just so obvious!

 

[Sanjūrō]

Not a lawyer, but semantically, there's some interesting things in here, such as when he replies to the questioner about whether or not the Indiana hospital room event took place in LA-LogicPt2, he very carefully does not answer the question. He instead says, "If it can be any clearer that I have never taken drugs, then incidents like that could never have happened." He in effect says "Well, if you can prove that I have taken performance enhancing drugs, then incidents like that could have happened, but, since you cant, then it must not have happened." He didnt explicitly deny that the Indiana event happened. He said it couldnt have, because its contingent on whether or not he took performance enhancing drugs, and that is what he denies. The questioner failed to get the direct answer for the question he asked. He does the same exact thing in LA-LogicPt1.

I thought the "I have no idea" in LA-TotallyFalse gave hint of the possibility of a lie, given his voice and mannerism. The "totally false" was very suspect. This is simply going on reads of people from every day life that I interact with, and I'll make no claim one way or the other about Lance's veracity, but were I a lawyer I'd have some suspicions. I have to agree with a previous poster too that the "he coulda been talking about our times racing together" was really, really funny. What Frankie said doesnt really fit with taking pulls for your team leader etc. Just funny.

LA-OnFrankie amazes me. Frankie would say the things he said, the seriousness of which within a cycling team and the profession, about your team leader, because he needs to support his wife's opinions? So Frankie would make all this up to do just that? Why wouldnt Frankie, if Lance hadnt taken anything, and the Indiana hospital room event had never taken place, why wouldnt Frankie just talk to his wife and assure her that no, nothing dangerous health-wise was going on and she neednt worry about his [Frankie's] health? However, no, Frankie instead makes up this incredible story, all lies, to avoid this reassuring conversation with his wife? And that's Lance's testimony? Seriously?

I too am surprised the lawyer and firm were named in the release of deposition videos. I suppose the lawyer in question who released them was 100% sure there was a legal means that he could do so to protect himself, but it seems to me wisdomt would dictate anonymous release and I cant see why he'd name himself, unless taking a dig at Lance and thumbing his nose at him was the intent. Might well have been.

Really interesting stuff. I hadnt seen any of it before.

 

[Anonymous]

Theres more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQHVIIfo6Lk

 

[DirtyWorks]

Motive

Indeed, the motive for publishing the tapes is an interesting angle. Someone, somewhere let these videos fly and is making sure they stay up.

Of all the entities that would release this stuff, a law firm has to be on the bottom of my list of likely sources. I hope that is a good omen for the FDA's case. I would guess the law firm did it at someone's request. No one in their right mind at a law firm would just release stuff with their name associated with it.

In the interest of fairness, I agree with the comments that the vignettes are cut such that the viewer is lead to a conclusion. If they released the content uncut too, I think that would have been the pinnacle of credibility. Would there be more opportunities for Public Strategies to formulate talking points? Sure. They would have been as ridiculous as all the others though...

 

[TexPat]

Worth noting (for the sake of history):

Betsy Andreu did not cooperate with Walsh's book (even though she could have chosen to do so). Despite disliking Armstrong. So when Fabiani goes about saying she's always had an axe to grind, she didn't. She was willing to just live her life and let Armstrong go on living his lie, etc. She just wasn't willing to commit perjury. And it is that simple. And no one should ever be expected to do that for another person. And Armstrong is a coward for having expected her to do so.

Lance Armstrong is a coward.

The fact that he referred to Betsy as Frankie's "Old lady" shows his complete disrespect for women.

These clips are sad to watch. The guy is so ill.

If you only knew what else has come out of that guy's mouth...

 

[Roland Rat]

That music video is ace! Not only for the editing, but also the choice of song... classic!

(Naughty by nature - "OPP", a song about... how to say... loving sleeping with other men's women. )

 

[BotanyBay]

Indeed, the motive for publishing the tapes is an interesting angle. Someone, somewhere let these videos fly and is making sure they stay up.

Of all the entities that would release this stuff, a law firm has to be on the bottom of my list of likely sources. I hope that is a good omen for the FDA's case. I would guess the law firm did it at someone's request. No one in their right mind at a law firm would just release stuff with their name associated with it.

In the interest of fairness, I agree with the comments that the vignettes are cut such that the viewer is lead to a conclusion. If they released the content uncut too, I think that would have been the pinnacle of credibility. Would there be more opportunities for Public Strategies to formulate talking points? Sure. They would have been as ridiculous as all the others though...

A perfect opportunity for Fabiani to provide us with "full context", don't you think? When Andy Shen of NY Velocity wanted to ask him about SCA, he was "more than happy" to furnish copies of depositions. So ask Fabiani to show ALL OF IT. Ball is really in his court now. If he's not chicken, he'll hand over copies of the full video for everything. Transparency is supposed to be what he's all about, right?

 

[BotanyBay]

If you only knew what else has come out of that guy's mouth...

I remember his sewer mouth as a junior, so I can only imagine it's gotten worse.

 

[pedaling squares]

Never seen anyone looking so uncomfortable taking an oath

how many folks collectively have you seen take an oath?

Hundreds. And I thought he looked uncomfortable. I was also struck by the lack of respect he showed for the process. Perhaps those who know him will not be surprised by that. When you give your oath, it's a big thing you are doing. If you have to sit, sit up straight like a man, and how about saying "yes" or "I will" instead of "yah."

One thing that struck me in his responses was how many times he said "If XXX didn't happen, how could I have done YYY?" That's a lot different from saying "XXX did not happen. I did not do YYY." It may seem trivial on this message board, but it's actually a good indicator of deception when someone removes themselves from a topic, talks in hypotheses, and fails to take ownership of a situation.

 

[this_is_edie]

Hundreds. And I thought he looked uncomfortable. I was also struck by the lack of respect he showed for the process. Perhaps those who know him will not be surprised by that. When you give your oath, it's a big thing you are doing. If you have to sit, sit up straight like a man, and how about saying "yes" or "I will" instead of "yah."

One thing that struck me in his responses was how many times he said "If XXX didn't happen, how could I have done YYY?" That's a lot different from saying "XXX did not happen. I did not do YYY." It may seem trivial on this message board, but it's actually a good indicator of deception when someone removes themselves from a topic, talks in hypotheses, and fails to take ownership of a situation.

that turn of phrase is very interesting. Could it be that he was coached to answer that way so as to not incur perjury charges in the future?