The Lance Deposition Tapes (Complete Testimony Now Available)

[Hugh Januss]

Continue our wooden puppet routine?
What the heck is that lol?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jhxe7OaEUg
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Say what you will. Polish's wooden puppet has a high lustre to it.

 

[Granville57]

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Another brilliant analysis...

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

I'm glad I finished my glass of wine before I read that post, I would have hated to snort it out all over my laptop. Great posting, Granville.

Time for a refill....

Susan

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Another brilliant analysis...

LMAO at your post and the reply quotes you had. That land snail is very interesting, and I had to scroll back up to make sure that he did not write that. You got me!

 

[fatandfast]

Lol you are so clueless it's actually funny.
Firstly Landis witnessed the team doping on the bus, Frankie was retired at that stage.
Frankie's contempt? Why? Because he tells the truth.

The roll eyes thing is cool. But the clues are laid out by Landis he says there was system..not only on the bus. He explained a tradition of doping. I do not think the Andreau's are lying.. period. I think that there was a climate far more serious than bike racing while Lance was in the hospital. I also think that they were considerate to visit Lance on what could have been his death bed. Overall nice people.. obviously not slinging mud Armstrong's way for financial gain. He told them something in the hospital face to face in a weak moment and he wants to retract the un-retractable. I have friends that used in Japan, Belgium and the US as part of trying to have a cycling career. Nobody got caught (yet..)
This obsession on putting Lance's human feet on the ground is dumb. The guy is done with racing and he was not caught. The poisonous passion feel for trying to slay him is weird to me. Everybody I know that used did so not to lose their car,condo or future..more to survive than to cash any big prize money check.

Frankie may be asked about the dope use at US.Postal how could he not be asked? If he is asked a specific question he should give a specific answer. If they have to grind him into human waste it would appear an exercise in bringing up his history. Life would be all flowers and puppy dogs if "Was that the first time you had been to Lance's bedside during his cancer treatment?" was the type of question he will be asked..Andreau was a big part of Postal and and the Landis claim that there was along standing pattern can be re enforced or dismissed by Frankie. Yes I think Lance is a punk..but he didn't get caught and that just has people bonkers..

 

[Hugh Januss]

Another brilliant analysis...

Flabby filibusters well enough without your help, thank you very much.

 

[Escarabajo]

how many folks collectively have you seen take an oath?

Do I have to have seen somebody take an oath to know that somebody is visibly uncomfortable in answering a question?

I am trying to be civilized here with that kind of question.

 

[Digger]

The roll eyes thing is cool. But the clues are laid out by Landis he says there was system..not only on the bus. He explained a tradition of doping. I do not think the Andreau's are lying.. period. I think that there was a climate far more serious than bike racing while Lance was in the hospital. I also think that they were considerate to visit Lance on what could have been his death bed. Overall nice people.. obviously not slinging mud Armstrong's way for financial gain. He told them something in the hospital face to face in a weak moment and he wants to retract the un-retractable. I have friends that used in Japan, Belgium and the US as part of trying to have a cycling career. Nobody got caught (yet..)
This obsession on putting Lance's human feet on the ground is dumb. The guy is done with racing and he was not caught. The poisonous passion feel for trying to slay him is weird to me. Everybody I know that used did so not to lose their car,condo or future..more to survive than to cash any big prize money check.

Frankie may be asked about the dope use at US.Postal how could he not be asked? If he is asked a specific question he should give a specific answer. If they have to grind him into human waste it would appear an exercise in bringing up his history. Life would be all flowers and puppy dogs if "Was that the first time you had been to Lance's bedside during his cancer treatment?" was the type of question he will be asked..Andreau was a big part of Postal and and the Landis claim that there was along standing pattern can be re enforced or dismissed by Frankie. Yes I think Lance is a punk..but he didn't get caught and that just has people bonkers..

Frankie told the truth...he told the truth about Ferrari...he hasn't sold his story nor has Beth. They were asked to testify, could not avoid it. He told the truth about his own usage, about his experiences on the team and the hospital room. You tell me where the Andreus have gained financially from all of this.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

The roll eyes thing is cool. But the clues are laid out by Landis he says there was system..not only on the bus. He explained a tradition of doping. I do not think the Andreau's are lying.. period. I think that there was a climate far more serious than bike racing while Lance was in the hospital. I also think that they were considerate to visit Lance on what could have been his death bed. Overall nice people.. obviously not slinging mud Armstrong's way for financial gain. He told them something in the hospital face to face in a weak moment and he wants to retract the un-retractable. I have friends that used in Japan, Belgium and the US as part of trying to have a cycling career. Nobody got caught (yet..)
This obsession on putting Lance's human feet on the ground is dumb. The guy is done with racing and he was not caught. The poisonous passion feel for trying to slay him is weird to me. Everybody I know that used did so not to lose their car,condo or future..more to survive than to cash any big prize money check.

Frankie may be asked about the dope use at US.Postal how could he not be asked? If he is asked a specific question he should give a specific answer. If they have to grind him into human waste it would appear an exercise in bringing up his history. Life would be all flowers and puppy dogs if "Was that the first time you had been to Lance's bedside during his cancer treatment?" was the type of question he will be asked..Andreau was a big part of Postal and and the Landis claim that there was along standing pattern can be re enforced or dismissed by Frankie. Yes I think Lance is a punk..but he didn't get caught and that just has people bonkers..

Hey! Back to the snails! Your cycling posts are boring...

 

[D-Queued]

Another brilliant analysis...

...makes so much more sense now. Thanks!

Dave.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I'd scold people to keep civil here, but you all know that.

Some amusing posts, I must say. I fully approve of the cynicism and sarcasm when it's laced with such humor.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The roll eyes thing is cool. But the clues are laid out by Landis he says there was system..not only on the bus. He explained a tradition of doping. I do not think the Andreau's are lying.. period. I think that there was a climate far more serious than bike racing while Lance was in the hospital. I also think that they were considerate to visit Lance on what could have been his death bed. Overall nice people.. obviously not slinging mud Armstrong's way for financial gain. He told them something in the hospital face to face in a weak moment and he wants to retract the un-retractable. I have friends that used in Japan, Belgium and the US as part of trying to have a cycling career. Nobody got caught (yet..)
This obsession on putting Lance's human feet on the ground is dumb. The guy is done with racing and he was not caught. The poisonous passion feel for trying to slay him is weird to me. Everybody I know that used did so not to lose their car,condo or future..more to survive than to cash any big prize money check.

Frankie may be asked about the dope use at US.Postal how could he not be asked? If he is asked a specific question he should give a specific answer. If they have to grind him into human waste it would appear an exercise in bringing up his history. Life would be all flowers and puppy dogs if "Was that the first time you had been to Lance's bedside during his cancer treatment?" was the type of question he will be asked..Andreau was a big part of Postal and and the Landis claim that there was along standing pattern can be re enforced or dismissed by Frankie. Yes I think Lance is a punk..but he didn't get caught and that just has people bonkers..

Hard to get caught when you divert some of the money you got in to the hands of those who are meant to be catching you.
But don't worry Lance will have his day.......

As for Frankie - again, as you appear to have missed it, he has already spoken to the investigation and waived his right to have a lawyer present.
I am sure Frankie was asked about his career - why would he be ground in to 'human waste' when his doping is already public knowledge?

 

[Anonymous]

I'm glad I finished my glass of wine before I read that post, I would have hated to snort it out all over my laptop. Great posting, Granville.

Time for a refill....

Susan

cheers, Susan, i'm right there with you

and a huge thank you, Granville... absolutely brilliant! the little snail deserved it.

 

[MacRoadie]

Frankie did you ever use drugs for pleasure or was it always to cheat the racers,promoter and your employer? Do you think that VS or VN TV should have a disclaimer saying that the network often hires ex-drug users to comment on big bike races ? This new way of coming out of the closet is great.

Frankie admitted he used drugs..he should have to go into detail about how and what he squirted into himself..after all his story of system and acceptance will need to be compared to Landis's positively false version. I hope the downside for the Andreau's is steep and slippery .

He is also an admitted drug user. He used drugs while on the job and for financial gain. He used them in such a way as to avoided detection and in violation of a few written contracts that he signed with his employer,race promoters and race organizers.

Frankie will come to find that talking heads for US cycling coverage are pretty easy to come by and that a guy in the news for the wrong reasons will probably be passed over for some other 7-11 or Coors Light rider that can hold a microphone.

Mr.Andreau's contempt for the rule of law could be explored as part of his character makeup as to how often he tells the truth.

Frankie may be asked about the dope use at US.Postal how could he not be asked? If he is asked a specific question he should give a specific answer. If they have to grind him into human waste it would appear an exercise in bringing up his history.

Considering Frankie almost never talks publicly about any of this, doesn't post here, and only testified under oath when compelled to do so, you sure have one big hardon for him.

Plus, you sure seem rather fixated on his future employability. If I didn't know better, I'd think some of those comments were thinly veilied threats about some effort to "out" him to his current and future employers. Smells an awful lot like a smear campaign in it's infancy...

I really think you need to seek some professional help, and soon.

 

[BotanyBay]

Considering Frankie almost never talks publicly about any of this, doesn't post here, and only testified under oath when compelled to do so, you sure have one big hardon for him.

Plus, you sure seem rather fixated on his future employability. If I didn't know better, I'd think some of those comments were thinly veilied threats about some effort to "out" him to his current and future employers. Smells an awful lot like a smear campaign in it's infancy...

I really think you need to seek some professional help, and soon.

I was thinking exactly the same thing.

Fastandfast is most definitely issuing threats to Mr Andreu. And I hope that the mods are smart enough to pick up on it. And I'm going to write to them right now.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Releasing the Clinton tapes backfired. People knew he was lying but he seemed like a nice and reasonable guy so they didn't really care.

Problem here is Armstrong does not come across as a "nice or reasonable guy".

 

[MacRoadie]

I was thinking exactly the same thing.

Fastandfast is most definitely issuing threats to Mr Andreu. And I hope that the mods are smart enough to pick up on it. And I'm going to write to them right now.

I missed this nugget:

Poor Frankie, if he has to blab for the federal monkeys he will certainly lose his TV gig. Lance's legal team will make sure that Andreau's drug taking history and timeline are accurate.

 

[Anonymous]

I missed this nugget:

i do hope they shut him up -- Fatandfast, i mean.

witness tampering isn't right in any circumstance (illegal even) and certainly doesn't belong on this forum.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I thought he was cool.

Cool - no... cold yes.

 

[BotanyBay]

I missed this nugget:

He's not only trying to intimidate Frankie, but Betsy as well.

I'm not sure I understand what FastandFast thinks he's going to accomplish by suggesting a retaliation for testimony that he gave many years ago.

But I can see that he has most certainly been using a virtual manner of punching his palm to make sure they get the message. It reminds me of Floyd's manager calling Lemond's cell phone.

And people don't think Lance's people are here.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I thought he was cool.

Yeah, we'd already got that from your nick.

 

[amp300]

that turn of phrase is very interesting. Could it be that he was coached to answer that way so as to not incur perjury charges in the future?

Same thing I picked up on too. Having been able to observe court proceedings numerous times, that looks like coaching and preparation to me! Then again I am just the peanut gallery. How I would love to be a fly on the wall of a brainstorming meeting between LA and his legal team.

snails

....great post granville, by far post of the day.

 

[offbyone]

that was disappointing i thought there was going to be something juicy there. Awesome play by play micro analyzing though guys, great job

 

[Anonymous]

But he does come across as smart. And when someone is being questioned they can look like the victim who is having to put up with crap over something that seems more trivial when it's openly talked about rather than read about in a newspaper. Does that make sense? I think that's what helped Clinton.

I disagree. You may be confusing smart with arrogant.

When I think of smart people, or even smart professional cyclists, Lance does not come to mind.

 

[Yeahright]

Having just watched the snippets from the velocity site I don't think they are particularly illuminating. He answers the hospital question well and actually puts it back on the guy doing the questioning quite well. Bit vague on the reason for calling Frankie; could be lying, I did notice a bit of hard swallowing when he was searching for an answer there but not really an earth shattering moment.

Not sure how Hog could make his "nasty man' comments based solely on what the videos showed, was pretty much the standard responses that you would expect in a cross examination.

The other thing to note of course is that these excerpts were carefully edited. Would need to see the whole deposition recording to make a really valid judgement. You could excerpt most cross examinations to make the subject look bad. This is about 2 minutes of what was probably a long session.