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The most dominant TT performance in history (and why it was stage 16 of the 2023 TdF)

Yeah, we all saw it. Jonas Vingegaard dominated this TT like nobody has dominated a TT since...well...since when exactly? If you want an answer to that you came to the wrong post, but I'll write some other stuff instead.

So what I did is I tried to come up with a metric showing how dominant a TT performance was, which I will call dominance index because why not. I divided the gap between the first two riders by the gap between the first and the 10th rider. So we basically get the portion of the spread of the top 10 that lies between the front two. If we get a dominance index of 0.1 that means the gap between 1st and 2nd is 10% of the gap between 1st and 10th. A higher dominance index means a more dominant win. Btw, I just as well could have divided the gap between the first two and the winning time, that would probably give you similar results. I felt comparing time gaps is more telling but you are free to disagree about that.

Because I don't have infinite time and am generally not overly skilled in working with data I only looked at TdF ITT's in the post Armstrong era, so from 2006 forward. Feel free to look further back, I'd be especially interested in a comparison with how much Indurain dominated TT's. So, what are the results from 2006 to 2022:

TdF 22 2
19​
108​
0,175926​
TdF 22 1
5​
20​
0,25​
TdF 21 1
19​
60​
0,316667​
TdF 21 2
21​
81​
0,259259​
TdF 20
81​
174​
0,465517​
TdF 19
14​
61​
0,229508​
TdF 18
1​
83​
0,012048​
TdF 17 1
5​
16​
0,3125​
TdF 17 2
1​
37​
0,027027​
TdF 16 1
63​
144​
0,4375​
TdF 16 2
21​
70​
0,3​
TdF 15
5​
32​
0,15625​
TdF 14
99​
178​
0,55618​
TdF 13 1
12​
112​
0,107143​
TdF 13 2
9​
111​
0,081081​
TdF 12 1
7​
15​
0,466667​
TdF 12 2
35​
129​
0,271318​
TdF 12 3
76​
185​
0,410811​
TdF 11
7​
128​
0,054688​
TdF 10 1
10​
35​
0,285714​
TdF 10 2
17​
218​
0,077982​
TdF 09 1
18​
40​
0,45​
TdF 09 2
3​
62​
0,048387​
TdF 08 1
18​
47​
0,382979​
TdF 08 2
21​
141​
0,148936​
TdF 07 1
13​
32​
0,40625​
TdF 07 2
74​
159​
0,465409​
TdF 07 3
51​
170​
0,3​
TdF 06 1
1​
9​
0,111111​
TdF 06 2
60​
104​
0,576923​
TdF 06 3
41​
241​
0,170124​

Here you have the results of 31 TTs. In the first column I somewhat clumsily named the stage (if there is a 1 at the end that means we are talking about the 1st TT of that Tour, etc), the 2nd column is the gap between 1st and 2nd, the 2nd column the gap between 1st and 10th and the 3rd column the dominance index. That's the column we care about. As you can see results between 0 and 0.5 are somewhat common, with 2 results reaching the 0.5 barrier, but none surpassing 0.6. Those two wins were by Tony Martin in 2014 and Serhiy Honchar in 2006.

So, how does Vingegaard's performance match up to this?

TdF 23
98​
201​
0,487562​

Pretty good. Vingegaard's TT is in 3rd place, beating out legendary TTs like for example Pogacar's win at LPdBF in 2020. That's probably the obvious comparison to make and indeed the two results look similarly dominant. In fact what motivated me to make this post was someone saying that just like in 2020, one rider dominated while the 2nd favorite had a disappointing performance. Except, was Pogacar actually that disappointing? Let's pretend for a second Vingegaard hadn't ridden today and instead Pogacar won in front of Van Aert. How dominant would that win have been?

TdF 23 (without Vingegaard)
73​
118​
0,618644​

Yes you are seeing this right. The dominance index is 0.62. Without Vingegaard there is a good argument to be made that this would have been the most dominant TdF TT in the post Armstrong era. More dominant than anything Cancellara or Martin ever produced. More dominant than his own infamously dominant LPdBF TT in 2020. Way more dominant in fact. No other result comes close to 0.62.
But that of course makes you wonder. What would Vingegaards dominance index have been without Pogacar. Brace yourself:

TdF 23 (without Pogacar)
171​
211​
0,810427​

0.81! That is so completely off the charts. This means that the gap between Vingegaard and Van Aert was over 5 times larger than the gap between Van Aert and 11th place. And btw, in case you are wondering what happens to Martin's and Honchar's wins if you exclude the 2nd placed rider, the answer is, not much. Honchar's index increases from 0.577 to 0.587 and Martin's index from 0.556 to 0.591, so both of them remain under the 0.6 mark. Vingegaards dominance index increasing to over 0.8 is completely bonkers.

So what's the takeaway? Was this the most dominant TT performance in history? Probably not. The title was clickbait all along. But I still found it interesting to somehow quantify how incredible todays performance was.
 
Luxembourg '92 is gonna be hard to beat. Mendrisio '09 is probably the most obvious comparison point to use in the timeframe.

The other thing is of course the field, the dominance is relative to field. I'm sure there's somewhere people can dig out like a national championships where a country has one top rider and nobody else, like Marc de Maar in Curaçao or something, but I'm assuming we're looking at ones where the field is at an elite enough standard for it to be a case of dominating a field of class.
 
You can't just remove one of the 2 (JV and Pog) without doing that to other TT results and seeing what you get.

Also, let's not forget that circumstances matter. This is (was) a bitterly close GC fight, so Pog and JV surely went all out for all the marbles. However, let's imagine that Pog crashed and withdrew on Stage 10. Is there any doubt that JV would have taken far less risk on this stage, showing a less dominant win? And if circumstances matter here, then you have to go back and evaluate GC circumstances in prior races and at least give thought as to how that might have affected relative dominance. In fact, last year's TT is a prime example. If JV is up by 20s going into that TT then surely he wins it with a better time.
 
Luxembourg '92 is gonna be hard to beat. Mendrisio '09 is probably the most obvious comparison point to use in the timeframe.

The other thing is of course the field, the dominance is relative to field. I'm sure there's somewhere people can dig out like a national championships where a country has one top rider and nobody else, like Marc de Maar in Curaçao or something, but I'm assuming we're looking at ones where the field is at an elite enough standard for it to be a case of dominating a field of class.
Gannas win in the final TT of the 2020 Giro actually does really well in this metric, beating the "without Vingegaard" scenario. But I didn't want to search the results of every single Giro and Vuelta TT for over 15 years too so I left it at that.
 
Yeah, we all saw it. Jonas Vingegaard dominated this TT like nobody has dominated a TT since...well...since when exactly? If you want an answer to that you came to the wrong post, but I'll write some other stuff instead.

So what I did is I tried to come up with a metric showing how dominant a TT performance was, which I will call dominance index because why not. I divided the gap between the first two riders by the gap between the first and the 10th rider. So we basically get the portion of the spread of the top 10 that lies between the front two. If we get a dominance index of 0.1 that means the gap between 1st and 2nd is 10% of the gap between 1st and 10th. A higher dominance index means a more dominant win. Btw, I just as well could have divided the gap between the first two and the winning time, that would probably give you similar results. I felt comparing time gaps is more telling but you are free to disagree about that.

Because I don't have infinite time and am generally not overly skilled in working with data I only looked at TdF ITT's in the post Armstrong era, so from 2006 forward. Feel free to look further back, I'd be especially interested in a comparison with how much Indurain dominated TT's. So, what are the results from 2006 to 2022:

TdF 22 2
19​
108​
0,175926​
TdF 22 1
5​
20​
0,25​
TdF 21 1
19​
60​
0,316667​
TdF 21 2
21​
81​
0,259259​
TdF 20
81​
174​
0,465517​
TdF 19
14​
61​
0,229508​
TdF 18
1​
83​
0,012048​
TdF 17 1
5​
16​
0,3125​
TdF 17 2
1​
37​
0,027027​
TdF 16 1
63​
144​
0,4375​
TdF 16 2
21​
70​
0,3​
TdF 15
5​
32​
0,15625​
TdF 14
99​
178​
0,55618​
TdF 13 1
12​
112​
0,107143​
TdF 13 2
9​
111​
0,081081​
TdF 12 1
7​
15​
0,466667​
TdF 12 2
35​
129​
0,271318​
TdF 12 3
76​
185​
0,410811​
TdF 11
7​
128​
0,054688​
TdF 10 1
10​
35​
0,285714​
TdF 10 2
17​
218​
0,077982​
TdF 09 1
18​
40​
0,45​
TdF 09 2
3​
62​
0,048387​
TdF 08 1
18​
47​
0,382979​
TdF 08 2
21​
141​
0,148936​
TdF 07 1
13​
32​
0,40625​
TdF 07 2
74​
159​
0,465409​
TdF 07 3
51​
170​
0,3​
TdF 06 1
1​
9​
0,111111​
TdF 06 2
60​
104​
0,576923​
TdF 06 3
41​
241​
0,170124​

Here you have the results of 31 TTs. In the first column I somewhat clumsily named the stage (if there is a 1 at the end that means we are talking about the 1st TT of that Tour, etc), the 2nd column is the gap between 1st and 2nd, the 2nd column the gap between 1st and 10th and the 3rd column the dominance index. That's the column we care about. As you can see results between 0 and 0.5 are somewhat common, with 2 results reaching the 0.5 barrier, but none surpassing 0.6. Those two wins were by Tony Martin in 2014 and Serhiy Honchar in 2006.

So, how does Vingegaard's performance match up to this?

TdF 23
98​
201​
0,487562​

Pretty good. Vingegaard's TT is in 3rd place, beating out legendary TTs like for example Pogacar's win at LPdBF in 2020. That's probably the obvious comparison to make and indeed the two results look similarly dominant. In fact what motivated me to make this post was someone saying that just like in 2020, one rider dominated while the 2nd favorite had a disappointing performance. Except, was Pogacar actually that disappointing? Let's pretend for a second Vingegaard hadn't ridden today and instead Pogacar won in front of Van Aert. How dominant would that win have been?

TdF 23 (without Vingegaard)
73​
118​
0,618644​

Yes you are seeing this right. The dominance index is 0.62. Without Vingegaard there is a good argument to be made that this would have been the most dominant TdF TT in the post Armstrong era. More dominant than anything Cancellara or Martin ever produced. More dominant than his own infamously dominant LPdBF TT in 2020. Way more dominant in fact. No other result comes close to 0.62.
But that of course makes you wonder. What would Vingegaards dominance index have been without Pogacar. Brace yourself:

TdF 23 (without Pogacar)
171​
211​
0,810427​

0.81! That is so completely off the charts. This means that the gap between Vingegaard and Van Aert was over 5 times larger than the gap between Van Aert and 11th place. And btw, in case you are wondering what happens to Martin's and Honchar's wins if you exclude the 2nd placed rider, the answer is, not much. Honchar's index increases from 0.577 to 0.587 and Martin's index from 0.556 to 0.591, so both of them remain under the 0.6 mark. Vingegaards dominance index increasing to over 0.8 is completely bonkers.

So what's the takeaway? Was this the most dominant TT performance in history? Probably not. The title was clickbait all along. But I still found it interesting to somehow quantify how incredible todays performance was.
Thanks for your work!… :)

What stunned me most are the gaps in average speed:

Vingegaard was ca 2.0 kms/hr faster than Pog. Pog was ca 1.3 kms/hr faster than van Aert. At this level (best of the best riders), this is unbelievable. Vinge at any time 2 kms/hr faster - than Pogacar! That is really unbelievable. What a performance.
 
what were the climbing times?
Curious how much faster did Ciccone climb today than Vingegaard on the mountain on todays TT stage.?
Ciccone 5 point (fastest)
Vingegaard 3 (second)
Yates 2 (third)
Pogacar 1 (fourth and even teammate Yates was faster)

Personally, I reckon Vingegaard chanced it too much for a guy in yellow, just saw his ride again, and almost clueless, the pace he takes these corners with, - not least after we saw multiple crashing, not least from DSM and no wonder Jumbo Visma manager was about to get a heart-attack at every corner..
But it worked out, and what a show but god dang the facepalm if he had crashed, as he took risks that he didn't have to pursue in my view from such a position.
Though great to see the yellow jersey going berserk and so boldly pursuing the win..
 
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Yeah, we all saw it. Jonas Vingegaard dominated this TT like nobody has dominated a TT since...well...since when exactly? If you want an answer to that you came to the wrong post, but I'll write some other stuff instead.

So what I did is I tried to come up with a metric showing how dominant a TT performance was, which I will call dominance index because why not. I divided the gap between the first two riders by the gap between the first and the 10th rider. So we basically get the portion of the spread of the top 10 that lies between the front two. If we get a dominance index of 0.1 that means the gap between 1st and 2nd is 10% of the gap between 1st and 10th. A higher dominance index means a more dominant win. Btw, I just as well could have divided the gap between the first two and the winning time, that would probably give you similar results. I felt comparing time gaps is more telling but you are free to disagree about that.

Because I don't have infinite time and am generally not overly skilled in working with data I only looked at TdF ITT's in the post Armstrong era, so from 2006 forward. Feel free to look further back, I'd be especially interested in a comparison with how much Indurain dominated TT's. So, what are the results from 2006 to 2022:

TdF 22 2
19​
108​
0,175926​
TdF 22 1
5​
20​
0,25​
TdF 21 1
19​
60​
0,316667​
TdF 21 2
21​
81​
0,259259​
TdF 20
81​
174​
0,465517​
TdF 19
14​
61​
0,229508​
TdF 18
1​
83​
0,012048​
TdF 17 1
5​
16​
0,3125​
TdF 17 2
1​
37​
0,027027​
TdF 16 1
63​
144​
0,4375​
TdF 16 2
21​
70​
0,3​
TdF 15
5​
32​
0,15625​
TdF 14
99​
178​
0,55618​
TdF 13 1
12​
112​
0,107143​
TdF 13 2
9​
111​
0,081081​
TdF 12 1
7​
15​
0,466667​
TdF 12 2
35​
129​
0,271318​
TdF 12 3
76​
185​
0,410811​
TdF 11
7​
128​
0,054688​
TdF 10 1
10​
35​
0,285714​
TdF 10 2
17​
218​
0,077982​
TdF 09 1
18​
40​
0,45​
TdF 09 2
3​
62​
0,048387​
TdF 08 1
18​
47​
0,382979​
TdF 08 2
21​
141​
0,148936​
TdF 07 1
13​
32​
0,40625​
TdF 07 2
74​
159​
0,465409​
TdF 07 3
51​
170​
0,3​
TdF 06 1
1​
9​
0,111111​
TdF 06 2
60​
104​
0,576923​
TdF 06 3
41​
241​
0,170124​

Here you have the results of 31 TTs. In the first column I somewhat clumsily named the stage (if there is a 1 at the end that means we are talking about the 1st TT of that Tour, etc), the 2nd column is the gap between 1st and 2nd, the 2nd column the gap between 1st and 10th and the 3rd column the dominance index. That's the column we care about. As you can see results between 0 and 0.5 are somewhat common, with 2 results reaching the 0.5 barrier, but none surpassing 0.6. Those two wins were by Tony Martin in 2014 and Serhiy Honchar in 2006.

So, how does Vingegaard's performance match up to this?

TdF 23
98​
201​
0,487562​

Pretty good. Vingegaard's TT is in 3rd place, beating out legendary TTs like for example Pogacar's win at LPdBF in 2020. That's probably the obvious comparison to make and indeed the two results look similarly dominant. In fact what motivated me to make this post was someone saying that just like in 2020, one rider dominated while the 2nd favorite had a disappointing performance. Except, was Pogacar actually that disappointing? Let's pretend for a second Vingegaard hadn't ridden today and instead Pogacar won in front of Van Aert. How dominant would that win have been?

TdF 23 (without Vingegaard)
73​
118​
0,618644​

Yes you are seeing this right. The dominance index is 0.62. Without Vingegaard there is a good argument to be made that this would have been the most dominant TdF TT in the post Armstrong era. More dominant than anything Cancellara or Martin ever produced. More dominant than his own infamously dominant LPdBF TT in 2020. Way more dominant in fact. No other result comes close to 0.62.
But that of course makes you wonder. What would Vingegaards dominance index have been without Pogacar. Brace yourself:

TdF 23 (without Pogacar)
171​
211​
0,810427​

0.81! That is so completely off the charts. This means that the gap between Vingegaard and Van Aert was over 5 times larger than the gap between Van Aert and 11th place. And btw, in case you are wondering what happens to Martin's and Honchar's wins if you exclude the 2nd placed rider, the answer is, not much. Honchar's index increases from 0.577 to 0.587 and Martin's index from 0.556 to 0.591, so both of them remain under the 0.6 mark. Vingegaards dominance index increasing to over 0.8 is completely bonkers.

So what's the takeaway? Was this the most dominant TT performance in history? Probably not. The title was clickbait all along. But I still found it interesting to somehow quantify how incredible todays performance was.

This was common during the Indurain era

Ullrich had a dominant MTT in 1997 where we won by more than 3 minutes
 
what were the climbing times?
Curious how much faster did Ciccone climb today than Vingegaard on the mountain on todays TT stage.?
Ciccone 5 point (fastest)
Vingegaard 3 (second)
Yates 2 (third)
Pogacar 1 (fourth and even teammate Yates was faster)

Personally, I reckon Vingegaard chanced it too much for a guy in yellow, just saw his ride again, and almost clueless, the pace he takes these corners with, - not least after we saw multiple crashing, not least from DSM and no wonder Jumbo Visma manager was about to get a heart-attack at every corner..
But it worked out, and what a show but god dang the facepalm if he had crashed, as he took risks that he didn't have to pursue in my view from such a position.
Though great to see the yellow jersey going berserk and so boldly pursing the win..
Ciccone was only a few sec faster, despite having a road bike and taking it easy everywhere else...
 
Ciccone was only a few sec faster, despite having a road bike and taking it easy everywhere else...
what are you basing that on, do you have the times, and what is a few sec. 2 or 10 or 20 or ?..and what's the difference between Yates and Vingegaard
and Vingegaard & Pogacar difference on the climb, as it's precarious that Yates was faster than Pogacar.
 
what are you basing that on, do you have the times, and what is a few sec. 2 or 10 or 20 or ?..and what's the difference between Yates and Vingegaard
and Vingegaard & Pogacar difference on the climb, as it's precarious that Yates was faster than Pogacar.
Took mme som time to find it, but here you have it:
https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-de-france/2023/stage-16/live

Fastest riders between kilometer 16.1 and kilometer 18.9.

#RiderTimeTimelagAvg. speed
1CICCONE Giulio6.440.0024.950
2VINGEGAARD Jonas6.470.0324.767
3YATES Simon7.200.3622.909
4POGAČAR Tadej7.210.3722.857
5POWLESS Neilson7.240.4022.703
 
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Ciccone was only a few sec faster, despite having a road bike and taking it easy everywhere else...
That was the same for Carapaz in 2020 on LPdBF. Remember, he would have won the KOM jersey had he won the final climb, so he took it easy the whole flat and then went balls out on the climb. But he didn't even finish in the top 6 (it was a Cat 1) and with Pogacar winning all 10 points Pog won the KOM jersey by 8 points over Carapaz.
 
That was the same for Carapaz in 2020 on LPdBF. Remember, he would have won the KOM jersey had he won the final climb, so he took it easy the whole flat and then went balls out on the climb. But he didn't even finish in the top 6 (it was a Cat 1) and with Pogacar winning all 10 points Pog won the KOM jersey by 8 points over Carapaz.
Yeah, but Vinegaard was only 3sec slower on a freaking TT bike and going hard on the whole route, while Ciccone safed his watts for the climb and eased up afterwards...
 
Yeah, but Vinegaard was only 3sec slower on a freaking TT bike and going hard on the whole route, while Ciccone safed his watts for the climb and eased up afterwards...
Carapaz also saved his watts. He finished 8 minutes slower than Pog on the TT.

Also, this was a short climb, so perhaps Ciccone was actually climbing much faster but netted only 3s when factoring in both the bike change time as well as the time needed to get back up to speed (JV was going full gas straight into the climb).
 
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Luxembourg '92 is gonna be hard to beat. Mendrisio '09 is probably the most obvious comparison point to use in the timeframe.

The other thing is of course the field, the dominance is relative to field. I'm sure there's somewhere people can dig out like a national championships where a country has one top rider and nobody else, like Marc de Maar in Curaçao or something, but I'm assuming we're looking at ones where the field is at an elite enough standard for it to be a case of dominating a field of class.
Luxembourg indeed cracks the 0.6 mark. That said, if you remove the 2nd placed rider from that stage the ratio becomes 0.75 so still well short of what Vingegaard did with Pogacar removed.
Roglic' Olympic ITT comes very close? Would be a ratio of 0.43.

Contador on Nevegal would be over 0.5
I think all of this should lead to the key takeaway that if you just compare 1st and 2nd this looks like your average dominant TT result. Only once you compare 1st and 3rd you actually see just how impressive today was. For comparison in Tokyo Dennis was just 3 seconds behind 2nd place Dumoulin. In Nevegal Scarponi was 4 seconds behind 2nd place Nibali.
 
Luxembourg indeed cracks the 0.6 mark. That said, if you remove the 2nd placed rider from that stage the ratio becomes 0.75 so still well short of what Vingegaard did with Pogacar removed.

I think all of this should lead to the key takeaway that if you just compare 1st and 2nd this looks like your average dominant TT result. Only once you compare 1st and 3rd you actually see just how impressive today was. For comparison in Tokyo Dennis was just 3 seconds behind 2nd place Dumoulin. In Nevegal Scarponi was 4 seconds behind 2nd place Nibali.
I think it just means that taking what's essentially jsut a distribution of 2-10 isn't a very good metric in the first place. They could all be very good but very clustered together and it makes the performance look much better by this metric. On the other hand, you just need one strong competitor to make a TT look pretty mid. It makes Monte Grappa look absolutely pedestrian when it wasn't.
 
Carapaz also saved his watts. He finished 8 minutes slower than Pog on the TT.

Also, this was a short climb, so perhaps Ciccone was actually climbing much faster but netted only 3s when factoring in both the bike change time as well as the time needed to get back up to speed (JV was going full gas straight into the climb).
Ciccone changed well before the climb so this wasn't an issue, I remember Nico Roche on comms pointing that out. He maxed out the climb as best he could.