Money. Period.BotanyBay said:A pointless list. Define "power in sports". Then we can talk.
you know the drill.MacRoadie said:So, now every article written on the subject of sports, including one appearing in Bloomberg Businessweek and written by this guy is flippantly dismissed as "sports journalism".
Talk about losing one's compass...
1. Except that it's specifically a list of the most powerful athletes in American sports...The Hitch said:2 obvious wrong things with this list
1 its all about the US
2 its all about athletes
...No coaches, owners, managers, executives or retired athletes were considered...QUOTE]
So, your criticism of an article about the most powerful American athletes in American sports is that it doesn't include foreign athletes, and it doesn't include non-athletes...
The off-field attributes comprise an athlete's expected endorsement potential (80 percent) and endorsement earnings (20 percent). The endorsement potential comes from Nielsen/E-Poll's N-Score, which measures an athlete's name awareness, appeal, influence, trustworthiness, overall popularity, and a number of other attributes. Endorsement data is estimated by industry experts based on comparable athletes
That's why I responded to Botany's legit question: define "power" in sports. The article aside and as Hitch has noted, the people operating the major franchises are in power. The atheletes have none unless they amass enough cash to become a power player (Jordan, Magic Johnson). Armstrong's play to be in that company looks to be in jeopardy.MacRoadie said:For those who simply looked at the list and didn't bother to actually read the article:
Tiger Woods No Longer Most Powerful U.S. Athlete
Power 100 Methodology
Again, the article is not entitled "The Most Powerful PEOPLE in American Sports. It is a ranking of the most powerful ATHLETES. It is exactly what it holds it's self out to be and nothing more.Oldman said:That's why I responded to Botany's legit question: define "power" in sports. The article aside and as Hitch has noted, the people operating the major franchises are in power. The atheletes have none unless they amass enough cash to become a power player (Jordan, Magic Johnson). Armstrong's play to be in that company looks to be in jeopardy.
If "power" is based on pure recognition and performance you need look no farther than Muhammed Ali. His image dominated for decades. That, sadly, is in the past.
So no i didnt read the article. I just read that it was a list of most powerful people in sport (from you) and then looked at the list.MacRoadie said:1. Except that it's specifically a list of the most powerful athletes in American sports...
2. If you bothered to read the actual article, you'd find this nugget:
THe thread doesnt mention that. The threads title is "The Most Powerful Person In Sports?"...No coaches, owners, managers, executives or retired athletes were considered...QUOTE]
So, your criticism of an article about the most powerful American athletes in American sports is that it doesn't include foreign athletes, and it doesn't include non-athletes...
and this is the op.
MacRoadie said:Nope, not Lance. Try Peyton:
Businessweek Power 100
Lance comes in at #8, between Drew Brees and Albert Pujols.
Wait, what about all those SI covers and ESPY Awards?
Funny you should mention that. I had to laugh yesterday, I was watching sports center and they referred to Contador as a "cycler".MacRoadie said:Nope, not Lance. Try Peyton:
Businessweek Power 100
Lance comes in at #8, between Drew Brees and Albert Pujols.
Wait, what about all those SI covers and ESPY Awards?
Well, he is. He is now in the rest portion of his steak cycle.MD said:Funny you should mention that. I had to laugh yesterday, I was watching sports center and they referred to Contador as a "cycler".
dude, what are you now finally trying to say ?MacRoadie said:Again, the article is not entitled "The Most Powerful PEOPLE in American Sports. It is a ranking of the most powerful ATHLETES. It is exactly what it holds it's self out to be and nothing more.
While the observation that the list doesn't include ownership is clearly valid, the question of their inclusion is moot because they are being ranked.
I agree that the rankings are very transient: just look at the link to 2007 for proof.
The point is real simple.Sanitiser said:I don't get the point of this thread. Is it to say Lance is too big too fail? Or is it to say Lance is big enough to be made an example of?
MacRoadie said:The point is real simple.
For all the "Lance is so awesome he's the most beloved human being on earth with the most influence and the most powerful friends", when a totally disinterested party, especially one that makes their living by guaging the popularity of a personality for purposes of selling image, advertising and sponsorships, develops an analysis of "powerful" US althletes, Armstrong comes in behind 2 golfers (one an adulterer), 2 NFL players, and one 40-something NBA "star"...
I really don't understand why everyone is getting hung up on the "Most Powerful" aspect.BotanyBay said:Remember this when considering "who is most powerful". Tiger was able to manage negative press before the golf-club. Lance was able to manage a fair bit of his own negative press.
But very few human beings can control the actions of another person. In general, if you've been "controlled", it's been a decision you yourself chose to make.
Control is not something you exert over another. Control is something you surrender to another.
I don't disagree. I might even put him ahead of Tiger as Tiger's guilt is more or less known while Armstrong's is yet to be denied or confirmed.Sanitiser said:If it was a multinational company and they wanted a 'global spokesperson' it would be him or Tiger all things considered.
I disagree the UCI, Wada and public reaction abroad will also be taken into account.MacRoadie said:At the end of the day, as he is being investigated in the US, how the public perceives him here is all that matters in the immediate future.
Well the 4 straight ESPY awards, he won...he being the only athlete besides Tigers woods to win multiple athlete of the year awards, has helped propel him in marketing into the top 10 of the of the biggest money making, most recognizable, most marketed athletes in the US...the largest TV audience pool in the world. Was there even another cyclist on this list, was to busy to go through the whole list.MacRoadie said:Nope, not Lance. Try Peyton:
Businessweek Power 100
Lance comes in at #8, between Drew Brees and Albert Pujols.
Wait, what about all those SI covers and ESPY Awards?