The much needed UCI loller thread

[AmRacer]

@AmRacer

So in regards to the near future, year 2026, duo you reckon IOC will amend that list, the link you gave, or do you feel it's final?

It should be the final list. Money talks.

 

[CyclistAbi]

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling/would-you-cycle-in-russia-dutch-journalist-criticizes-the-world-championships-in-rwanda

Even Thijs blasted UCI.

 

[Rob5091]

But do the federations support the war?

Hs anyone asked the Russians and Belarusians if they support the war?

 

[CyclistAbi]

Actually and IMHO this is still to be determined, on who supports what, this process of determining that has now only started. Before one strangely couldn't really discuss it publicly. Crazy times. I mean in general not on this forum. So this discussions will get done elsewhere and the outcome will then be reflected on this forum.

As for this thread the question indeed is does UCI support it, or not. We'll see.

 

[CyclistAbi]

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No criticism. Yeah i guess in the future it will be harder to combine this two and to get away with it. We'll see.

 

[Tim Cahill]

 

[HashRouge]

Wait. That's got to be a spoof account....right? RIGHT???

 

[Tim Cahill]

Wait. That's got to be a spoof account....right? RIGHT???

Unfortunately not, selfie has now removed the post though it took quite a while.

 

[Rob5091]

Wait. That's got to be a spoof account....right? RIGHT???

The fix was in but Remco did n't take a dive ...

 

[red_flanders]

The fix was in but Remco did n't take a dive ...

"Never assume malice when incompetence will suffice" -- Somebody Smart

Dude had it composed and timed to send from TweetDeck...

 

[CyclistAbi]

It was a hones mistake.

 

[Samamba]

These morons are actually going through with the adding points from other disciplines to the UCI road ranking. Gravel, CX, MTB and Track are about to decide promotion-relegation. Straight up moronic.

 

[pastronef]

I'm already imagining mtb marathon races and gravel races full of Euskaltel orange jerseys.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

These morons are actually going through with the adding points from other disciplines to the UCI road ranking. Gravel, CX, MTB and Track are about to decide promotion-relegation. Straight up moronic.

The one saving grace is that the points will only count for riders who are already in the top-20 of their team on road results alone, so at least we won't see stupid stunts like signing, say, Eli Iserbyt, having him do (close to) zero road races, but getting a bunch of points from him anyway. It's still an abysmal decision, though.

 

[Samamba]

The one saving grace is that the points will only count for riders who are already in the top-20 of their team on road results alone, so at least we won't see stupid stunts like signing, say, Eli Iserbyt, having him do (close to) zero road races, but getting a bunch of points from him anyway. It's still an abysmal decision, though.

I'm not even sure if they ment it like that. Could also just mean in the top 20 with their points from other disciplines no? Thus just like any other rider? I hope it's like you said or we get PicNic contracting some Dutch track sprinter.

I understand they want WT teams to give their CX, MTB or Track riders the freedom to ride big races in other disciplines so they want to incentivize it but like everything the UCI does it just isn't thought through at all. They are not realizing the bad consequences, even if we forget about the importance of UCI points nowadays and that that's simply not fair. Like for example at CX, there's plenty of CX teams who will now have to battle with WT teams for a signing. If all top CX riders ride for WT teams, there's no point in having a CX team anymore. Sponsors will leave meaning a lot of people without a job. And it's not just that. These top CX riders would also take a spot from other WT riders, meaning again, more riders that won't have a contract. They are making the whole cycling world smaller.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

It was a hones mistake.

Mistakes like these are always honest, because they reveal the true stupidity of people.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

I'm not even sure if they ment it like that. Could also just mean in the top 20 with their points from other disciplines no? Thus just like any other rider? I hope it's like you said or we get PicNic contracting some Dutch track sprinter.

I don't think the alternative interpretation aligns with the phrasing below.

this measure will be applicable for male riders who are in the top 20 of his team’s road ranking and for female riders in the top eight of their team’s road ranking

 

[Samamba]

I don't think the alternative interpretation aligns with the phrasing below.

I hope you're right but I can also still read this as in the top 20 with the points, it isn't really specified in that sentence imo. But yes, the most logical interpretation would be yours.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Absolutely nonsense

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I don't think the alternative interpretation aligns with the phrasing below.

So contract a few top track, CX, XC... riders, have them grab points in all sorts of mickey mouse road races, just enough to put them in the top 20 out of 30 riders in any given team. Knowing that each team has plenty of riders who contribute nearly nothing to the points total that should be easy, move some riders around between A- team and development squad and if need be have a few guys hit the brakes in order to gain a few less points, but as a result gain massive amounts back due to this rule.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

So contract a few top track, CX, XC... riders, have them grab points in all sorts of mickey mouse road races, just enough to put them in the top 20 out of 30 riders in any given team. Knowing that each team has plenty of riders who contribute nearly nothing to the points total that should be easy, move some riders around between A- team and development squad and if need be have a few guys hit the brakes in order to gain a few less points, but as a result gain massive amounts back due to this rule.

I don't think your average track/CX/MTB specialist is particularly interested in riding an extensive road schedule. And even with a Mickey Mouse schedule, you would still need to get some actual results to beat the finishing points for the major WT races that the lowest scorers on your team get - which, going by the 'success' of top MTB riders who actually did try to switch in more recent times, is not exactly a gimme. All in all, it should be enough to prevent anything particularly farcical from happening.

To illustrate the point: even on Cofidis, which due to a raft of long-term injuries has five riders on 0 points, the cutoff is 62 points. For comparison, Victor Koretzky's best season saw him manage 61 points, and he did 50 race days that year racing a typically points-friendly French PCT calendar. So you need to actually invest time, effort and energy into the road to get there - and even then, there's no guarantee.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I don't think your average track/CX/MTB specialist is particularly interested in riding an extensive road schedule. And even with a Mickey Mouse schedule, you would still need to get some actual results to beat the finishing points for the major WT races that the lowest scorers on your team get - which, going by the 'success' of top MTB riders who actually did try to switch in more recent times, is not exactly a gimme. All in all, it should be enough to prevent anything particularly farcical from happening.

To illustrate the point: even on Cofidis, which due to a raft of long-term injuries has five riders on 0 points, the cutoff is 62 points. For comparison, Victor Koretzky's best season saw him manage 61 points, and he did 50 race days that year racing a typically points-friendly French PCT calendar. So you need to actually invest time, effort and energy into the road to get there - and even then, there's no guarantee.

Your argument actually proves it is perfectly doable. Someone like Toon Aerts already had over 70 points in less than 30 race days. In fact, he only needed 19 days to get over 60 points.

 

[Samamba]

I don't think your average track/CX/MTB specialist is particularly interested in riding an extensive road schedule. And even with a Mickey Mouse schedule, you would still need to get some actual results to beat the finishing points for the major WT races that the lowest scorers on your team get - which, going by the 'success' of top MTB riders who actually did try to switch in more recent times, is not exactly a gimme. All in all, it should be enough to prevent anything particularly farcical from happening.

To illustrate the point: even on Cofidis, which due to a raft of long-term injuries has five riders on 0 points, the cutoff is 62 points. For comparison, Victor Koretzky's best season saw him manage 61 points, and he did 50 race days that year racing a typically points-friendly French PCT calendar. So you need to actually invest time, effort and energy into the road to get there - and even then, there's no guarantee.

You can definitely find strategies around it (depending on how high the points coming from the other disciplines are). For example teams with a devo team can let them ride some .2 races to get points. It's pretty easy to get in the top 20 in some teams.

But as long as the top 20 thing is real the big difference will definitely just be guys like Thomas, Aerts, Alpecin riders, Pidcock, etc. who just get way more points. Something I'm just very against. We also don't make Real Madrid champion of La Liga cause their Basketball team does good or something like that yk. It's different sports, this is ridiculous.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Your argument actually proves it is perfectly doable. Someone like Toon Aerts already had over 70 points in less than 30 race days. In fact, he only needed 19 days to get over 60 points.

Aerts had proven himself more than capable in road races over and over again before his doping suspension, that can't be said for most other (more or less) full-time CX riders, or XC or track riders for that matter.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Aerts had proven himself more than capable in road races over and over again before his doping suspension, that can't be said for most other (more or less) full-time CX riders, or XC or track riders for that matter.

So you mean, as a team manager, you DO actually have to use a tiny portion of your brain and not randomly pick someone. Right.